2013 Stelvio life span

[AH Fan]

Hi all.

Not sure if this has been covered before but was wondering what would be a reasonable expectation of the life expectancy of the engine and components ( mileage ) of the 8V Stelvio and its variants if looked after and serviced in a reasonable fashion?

Many thx in advance......

[pete roper]

Pretty much the same as any other Guzzi. In other words a bloody long time!

Biggest Achilles heel of the 8V is the non replaceable front main bearing but I'm working on a fix for that. If you keep clean oil up them though they'll last a very long time.

Pete

[Litre1000]

2013...? Isn’t that the year where some had roller tappets and some didn’t?

[AH Fan]

Yes early models had flatties but mine has rollers.

 

[pete roper]

Anything plated 2013 will be roller. The changeover point was production in early to mid MY 2012.

Also I interpreted the question as to be 'When will it be so worn out as to be unrebuildable' and the answer to that remains the same. At least as long as any other Guzzi as long as parts are available and pretty much infinitely if you have bottomless pockets.

Pete

[80CX100]

Anything plated 2013 will be roller. The changeover point was production in early to mid MY 2012.


Pete

     In theory, with ethical dealers you're right, but in my part of the world, where some unethical dealers have been stuck with some flatties that they can't unload, not always the case.

     There is a nice nos Griso with a Mistral pipe for sale locally(400 miles), that thankfully I had the dealer pop off the valve covers and send me photos. it was a flattie, no comment or acknowledgement of the problem by the dealer.

     I noticed that this year, the dealer is selling the same bike, advertised as a 2014. With that in mind, my personal comfort zone for being certain that a bike is a roller would be 2015 or later. Anything in the grey years 2012,2013 & now apparently 2014, I'd want a picture of the valve assembly for piece of mind.

     I've talked to many dealers, and I've yet to have one of them even admit there was/is a problem with the flatties.

     Kelly

[pete roper]

Production dates and engine #'s for the change to rollers.

Stelvio- Motor#AC12596 Build Date 12 March 2012
GRiSO - Motor#A813524 Build Date 12 April 2012
Norge - Motor#AA12214 Build Date 18 April 2012

Now these are a bit rubbery as I've seen engines a bit later than these numbers with flats but NOTHING post 2012.

If your dealer is trying to flog a flattie as a later model year that's as maybe but by MY13 the problem had been dealt with.

[oldbike54]

 So 200,000 miles then Pete ? Or 322,000 Kilometers ? I'll bet with just a few repairs along the way and good maintenance those are realistic figures.
 We are living in the *golden age* of motorbiking .

 Dusty

[HarveyMushman]

Hi all.

Not sure if this has been covered before but was wondering what would be a reasonable expectation of the life expectancy of the engine and components ( mileage ) of the 8V Stelvio and its variants if looked after and serviced in a reasonable fashion?

Many thx in advance......

I don’t know, but I’m going to find out ...

[SmithSwede]

“non replaceable front main bearing”?

What the heck?  Why in the world would they do that?

[rocker59]

“non replaceable front main bearing”?

What the heck?  Why in the world would they do that?

Saving nickels and dimes, the hard way.

[Don G]

Guzzi never used cam bearings in the crankcase, cam runs on the case, should not be a problem for the front main either, unless of course you starve it for lube...   DonG

[pete roper]

Saving nickels and dimes, the hard way.

Essentially this but by using a pressed in split bearing also made delivering oil to the under piston sprays easier. That isn't an insurmountable problem I don't think but I won't really know until I get serious about adapting an old style front main to the case. That will be after I retire probably. Far too much other stuff going on at the moment sadly.

Pete

[AH Fan]

Hey Pete.
Should have been a little clearer ….. Was wondering what would be the reasonable mileage of my 2013 Stelvio engine/trans/final drive before it would be in need of rebuild?
I hope that is worded correctly.

Ciao

[pete roper]

Major motive componentry? Well the gearboxes seem to be well nigh indestructible. In thirteen years of the 'Nuovo Six Speed' I've only had two apart. One out of curiosity and one of the early ones to add washers to the shock absorber stack. I've never had to have an 8V gearbox apart.

The CARC bevelbox is ludicrously over engineered. I've seen a handful in that time that have had their pinion nut loose their preload and probably half a dozen bearing failures. The pinion preload loss seems to just be a 'Luck of the draw' thing and if they are going to do that it usually happens early.

With the 8V motor I've seen several that have completed over 100,000 km with no issues at all. When I gave Wynn's bike a bit of a freshen up at around the 100,000 mark I did Rings, valves and a head service, ground the clutch backing and pressure plates and slung a new friction plate in. It got camchain as well I think. Really though I was pleasantly surprised at how good it all looked, especially considering how badly abused it had been in its life.

Pete

[Huzo]

One out of curiosity and one of the early ones to add washers to the shock absorber stack.

I’ve often wondered if the amount of drive line lash in my old ‘07 is representative of others.
I have done the rubber bush in the torque arm mod and it did make a difference. Is the shock absorber stack to which you refer, there to remove some of this lash?
I can ride with virtually none, but I tap the clutch very lightly when on/off the throttle in the lower gears.

[pete roper]

The 'Rattle' issue shouldn't be a problem on your Norge.

The backlash in the driveline that causes the 'Clank' is just that, backlash and its effect on the spinning gears and shafts in the gearbox exerting force on the reactive rod. Removing crush on the Cush drive will, if anything, exacerbate the 'Clank'.

Pete

[Chuck in Indiana]

I just called it a feature on my 07 Norge. Carc stands for,
Clanks And Rattles Continuously 

[AH Fan]

I’ve often wondered if the amount of drive line lash in my old ‘07 is representative of others.
I have done the rubber bush in the torque arm mod and it did make a difference. Is the shock absorber stack to which you refer, there to remove some of this lash?
I can ride with virtually none, but I tap the clutch very lightly when on/off the throttle in the lower gears.

Thx for all that Pete.
Your experiences with these marvels is invaluable.

Cheers for now.

[John Warner]

Anything plated 2013 will be roller. The changeover point was production in early to mid MY 2012 . . .

Maybe in Australia Pete, and I believe in the States the Registration is always dated the same as the year of manufacture.

In the UK, and many other Countries, the registration date can be long after it arrived in it's crate.
Our UK Plates show the date of Registration (grouped into two six-month periods per year).

One guy on my FB stelvio Owners Group has an early 2012 Stelvio, which wasn't registered until 2013.
Another, in Denmark, has a 2012 'Flatty' that wasn't registered until 2015!

[Huzo]

The 'Rattle' issue shouldn't be a problem on your Norge.

The backlash in the driveline that causes the 'Clank' is just that, backlash and its effect on the spinning gears and shafts in the gearbox exerting force on the reactive rod. Removing crush on the Cush drive will, if anything, exacerbate the 'Clank'.

Pete

Thank you.
As mentioned, I can ride around it, but it requires a touch.
Half the fun I guess..

[pete roper]

The year of manufacture can be determined by the VIN.

[randy yocum]

Pete has got me curious about the non replaceable front bearing on the 8V crankcase,I found this picture of the what looks to be a pressed in front main bearing on a Stelvio engine crankcase.I don't have a shop manual for this bike,I was wondering if they show a separate bearing in the manual?

crankcase.


molar mass of aluminum

[pete roper]

In the parts diagram it is shown as a separate part but it has a common part number with the case.

[Pisano]

using a pressed in split bearing also made delivering oil to the under piston sprays easier.

From the picture of the case it looks like the material used to retain and reinforce the old style bearing is still there.  Does the 8V use this material to make the oil channels now or is that just a left over from the old style? 

[John Warner]

The year of manufacture can be determined by the VIN.

Of course, but I doubt very many prospective buyers would think to check.
Bit of a pain to have to do it too, if you're scouring the Ads looking for a new Toy, feeling like an eight yr-old a week before Christmas . . . 

[Tim Kirkup]

Hey guy,s needing some help finding out how to obtain Roller kit from Moto Guzzi, i would very much appreciate the help. I have a 2012 ntx which i,m pretty sure would like to be rollerised before any damage is done it,s currently parked up with 29,000 klm on it Cheer,s Tim

[pete roper]

Hey guy,s needing some help finding out how to obtain Roller kit from Moto Guzzi, i would very much appreciate the help. I have a 2012 ntx which i,m pretty sure would like to be rollerised before any damage is done it,s currently parked up with 29,000 klm on it Cheer,s Tim

Where are you? Do you have a full service history? Has it started making horrible noises?

[moto-uno]

 I now have 240,000 km on my Le Mans 2 , it's been performance kitted for at least 150,00 km and still has the original , front and rear crank bearings and rod bearings ! And great oil pressure , so I'm imagining that Mr Ropers remarks about longevity for the later models has just gotta be correct . It'll be an inheritance :) , Peter

[rocker59]

Hey guy,s needing some help finding out how to obtain Roller kit from Moto Guzzi, i would very much appreciate the help. I have a 2012 ntx which i,m pretty sure would like to be rollerised before any damage is done it,s currently parked up with 29,000 klm on it Cheer,s Tim

Where are you?  These guys have both kits:  https://www.gutsibits.co.uk/pr/Home/index.php