Author Topic: Buick Tour X (Read 13433 times)

Buckturgidson · « **Reply #60 on:** January 22, 2020, 10:07:53 PM »

I bought a TourX yesterday. It's a German car (Opel Insignia) with Buick badging. There were none local, so I flew to Utah to get a loaded 2019 in Essence trim for $10,130 off sticker. It's great for gobbling up miles in comfort and in general. I did 510 miles door-to-door from Tooele Utah to my house in 6 and a half hours, seriously. The speed limit on I-80 is 80 mph across Nevada. The only way to get heated leather seats/steering wheel is with the highest trim level, so it has a bunch of farkly crap I didn't really want, that is my only complaint.

kirkemon · « **Reply #61 on:** January 22, 2020, 10:30:52 PM »

I hate these SUVs and Crossovers, or at least I hate their drivers! Go with smaller vehicles. Take a trip overseas and see how people get by with small cars.
I would consider only the Tesla X. I drove the Jaguar i Pace, not bad.

Buckturgidson · « **Reply #62 on:** January 22, 2020, 10:41:12 PM »

Glad I didn't follow the crowd.

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Ditto to that, mine is the same color. I think they looks best in white but I could not find one reasonably close with the price/options I wanted. Our metallic gray works though, the car looks good in any color.

Moparnut72 · « **Reply #63 on:** January 22, 2020, 11:10:17 PM »

I can't say for sure what is going on. But Opel recently became part of Peugeot. Then Peugeot has just recently merged with Fiat Chrysler. You may have something of an orphan, can't say for sure. Maybe that is why they are being discounted so heavily. Still a good car. The new company, yet tobe named, is working on market placement for all their products.
kk

twowheeladdict · « **Reply #64 on:** January 23, 2020, 06:34:36 AM »

Quote from: Buckturgidson on December 22, 2019, 06:57:27 PM

"must buy SUV only"

And here in northern Nevada the giant truck thing is unreal. A high percentage of people are driving huge trucks, mostly commuting or as everyday drivers. There appears to be a competition for who has the largest, and highest-raised truck. Where well it end? In five years will trucks used for commuting be another 20% larger?

Maybe they can't afford to have a commuter car and a truck so they have to drive their truck every day. I have a Nissan Titan S king cab and a GMC 2500 HD and a Buick Encore (32mpg) for commuting. The GMC tows the horse trailer and the Titan tows my bikes so I can have them with me when working out of town.

Some people are forced to drive their weekend toys to the job every day. Jeeps, Trucks, Sports cars, etc.

Murray · « **Reply #65 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:00:08 AM »

Quote from: twowheeladdict on January 23, 2020, 06:34:36 AM

Maybe they can't afford to have a commuter car and a truck so they have to drive their truck every day. I have a Nissan Titan S king cab and a GMC 2500 HD and a Buick Encore (32mpg) for commuting. The GMC tows the horse trailer and the Titan tows my bikes so I can have them with me when working out of town.

Some people are forced to drive their weekend toys to the job every day. Jeeps, Trucks, Sports cars, etc.

The Buick should have a 2000kg tow rating which will cover most things.

rjamesohio · « **Reply #66 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:29:05 AM »

Quote from: Buckturgidson on January 22, 2020, 10:41:12 PM

Glad I didn't follow the crowd.

Congrats! Beautiful car, enjoy it!

rjamesohio · « **Reply #67 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:39:37 AM »

Quote from: kirkemon on January 22, 2020, 10:30:52 PM

I hate these SUVs and Crossovers, or at least I hate their drivers! Go with smaller vehicles. Take a trip overseas and see how people get by with small cars.
I would consider only the Tesla X. I drove the Jaguar i Pace, not bad.

Don't have to go overseas as we have a couple good options here in the US for us smaller car fans. We LOVE our VW's, and I picked up one of the last diesels when VW started selling them back to the public through the dealers after the EPA fix. I routinely get 40-50 MPG and the reliability has been fantastic, to go along with the 160 K mile drivetrain warranty I got because it was a CPO car. It's a 6 speed, and I plan to put a hidden trailer hitch on it as it will pull 1500 pounds, enough for a motorcycle or car engine et al, which is all I really need to haul. It's a fun car to drive, handles almost as well as my GTI and pulls like a freight-train with Guzzi-like torque.

We love this and my VW Alltrack wagon. Both are discontinued now due to the US market seemingly SUV crazy, but both are still available and are great deals right now. All said - we considered the Tour X but at the time they were $10-15K more than the Alltrack. Maybe with today's prices we would have considered the Tour X.

I still have hopes for other marques as well such as Subaru and Mazda, but they are also increasingly shifting to SUVs. If Mazda had brought their Skyactiv Diesel with the Mazda 6 wagon - that would have probably been sitting in our garage as the first Mazda ever. Gorgeous cars and with a diesel would have been an amazing long-term vehicle.

Buckturgidson · « **Reply #68 on:** January 23, 2020, 09:18:24 AM »

Quote from: twowheeladdict on January 23, 2020, 06:34:36 AM

Maybe they can't afford to have a commuter car and a truck so they have to drive their truck every day. I have a Nissan Titan S king cab and a GMC 2500 HD and a Buick Encore (32mpg) for commuting. The GMC tows the horse trailer and the Titan tows my bikes so I can have them with me when working out of town.

Some people are forced to drive their weekend toys to the job every day. Jeeps, Trucks, Sports cars, etc.

I'm sure some people fall into that category, but I suspect a lot of the drivers just want a huge truck (preferably with a chrome grill the size of a barn door) whether they need it or not. The women I work with always laugh and say they are compensating for something, either height or something else...

Bulldog9 · « **Reply #69 on:** January 23, 2020, 05:02:54 PM »

The Tour X is a very nice wagon. I really like the 5 door hatch/sedan. Is very nice, but as GM sold Opel, and is now owned by Peugeot, which just merged with Fiat/Chrysler will not continue. At least the Goober Moron car company didn't kill Opel as they did Saab, Saturn, Pontiac, Oldsmobile.....

Most SUV's are just tall wagons with body cladding. The current trend... so what. Volvo, BMW, Audi, Mercedes all still sell wagons. Jaguar will sell one soon, other than Subaru's outback, looks like pure old school low wagons are for Richie Rich......... Auto manufacturers are in business to sell, and right now the tall wagon suv (aka cross over) is what people want. It's a shame VW diddn't keep their All Track Wagon, looks like they are going full SUV with the TROC series.

Last wagon I was interested in was the 1970 Vista Cruiser............ ...

Bulldog9 · « **Reply #70 on:** January 23, 2020, 05:10:29 PM »

Quote from: Buckturgidson on January 23, 2020, 09:18:24 AM

I'm sure some people fall into that category, but I suspect a lot of the drivers just want a huge truck (preferably with a chrome grill the size of a barn door) whether they need it or not. The women I work with always laugh and say they are compensating for something, either height or something else...

Full size pickups have been the #1 selling vehicles in the US for many years. I think people that feel the need to justify/criticized/speculate on why people buy and own what they do are saying more about themselves then the person they are mocking, but thats just me. I mean EVERYBODY knows Prius drivers are morally superior, just ask them ;-)

Kev m · « **Reply #71 on:** January 23, 2020, 06:19:01 PM »

One thing to consider.

The trend towards SUVs over sedans and wagons may be feeding itself in a way some don't realize.

One clear advantage that SUVs and Trucks offer over cars, that makes itself more obvious in times or areas of high traffic, is it betters your view of the road.

My wife used to love her Mini Cooper, and her Turbo Beetle before that, and her Cabriolet before that, and her Festiva before that still...

But once she started commuting in her Grand Cherokee well that small, low car ship sailed and she won't even look at them anymore. She no longer likes sitting low being surrounded by giants she can't see past, over, or around.

Big vehicles have begot the need for big vehicles, at least in some.

twowheeladdict · « **Reply #72 on:** January 24, 2020, 06:44:42 AM »

Quote from: Murray on January 23, 2020, 07:00:08 AM

The Buick should have a 2000kg tow rating which will cover most things.

Almost spit out my coffee when I read your post.

When you really understand how tow ratings are influenced by marketing hype you will laugh too!

twowheeladdict · « **Reply #73 on:** January 24, 2020, 06:50:32 AM »

Quote from: Bulldog9 on January 23, 2020, 05:10:29 PM

Full size pickups have been the #1 selling vehicles in the US for many years. I think people that feel the need to justify/criticized/speculate on why people buy and own what they do are saying more about themselves then the person they are mocking, but thats just me. I mean EVERYBODY knows Prius drivers are morally superior, just ask them ;-)

Here we are on a motorcycle forum where the vast majority of us burn fuel for entertainment, and yet we have people mocking others for burning fuel driving to work in the style vehicle they want to own.

LOL!

larrys · « **Reply #74 on:** January 24, 2020, 07:31:31 AM »

Small SUVs seem to be replacing sedans. I recently got Mrs. larrys a 2015 Audi Q3. Basically an A4 engine and AWD drivetrain with a higher, boxy body. She likes it much better than the Subaru Legacy wagon it replaced. She has made the comment about being higher and having better visibility in traffic.
Larry

Murray · « **Reply #75 on:** January 24, 2020, 10:09:29 AM »

Quote from: twowheeladdict on January 24, 2020, 06:44:42 AM

Almost spit out my coffee when I read your post.

When you really understand how tow ratings are influenced by marketing hype you will laugh too!

It is sold here as the commodore full sized sedans are expected to be able to tow for 2tonne the trailer would have to have brakes, otherwise what is the point of them. the 3.5tonne tow capability of some of the dual cab 4wds are a bit rubbery figures.

JeffOlson · « **Reply #76 on:** January 24, 2020, 10:23:57 AM »

I like smaller vehicles for short, sporty jaunts, but I do not like them for long trips or hauling things. Larger vehicles are generally more comfortable on long trips and much more practical for hauling things.

If my wife and I could have only one vehicle, it would have to be a pickup truck. Not only is she from Texas, but we drive long distances and haul loads in the bed (lumber, gravel, dirt, feed, groceries, luggage, a new Traeger, etc.), while our large dogs are in the crew cab back seat area. A wagon or SUV would not work for hauling as much as we do...

A wagon like the Tour X would be a good second vehicle!

Lannis · « **Reply #77 on:** August 10, 2020, 04:55:27 PM »

Quote from: Lannis on December 23, 2019, 08:06:06 PM

There's a reason that they're a "dime" and there are "dozens" of them, those Subarus.

They're not expensive, they do what it says on the tin, and they last a long long time. I can't imagine that someone has a "cachet" or "street cred" because they're driving a Buick instead of a Subaru? Does anyone even notice?

Lannis

All right, I'm just about to go Right Off of Subarus.

I've been boosting our 2012 Outback ever since Fay bought it new, and it's been good for us, hasn't cost much, drives well, has been doing what it says on the tin.

It has 156,000 miles, so I took it in for a full service - CVT oil flush, differentials on the AWD, and all like that.

That was going to be about $800 all together.

BUT .... there was a hum in the rear end, the sunroof was acting dodgy, and the Check Engine light would come on about once ever tank of gas (I turn it off every time with the OBD II reader), so I got them to look into those.

$800 for the service
$1400 for a new sunroof (it stuck open while they were checking it and it won't close)
$1500 for a new catalytic converter (that's the Check Engine light, the cat con failed)
$670 for a new rear wheel bearing
---------
$ 4370 mostly unexpected.

I mean, I've been driving my Festiva for 7 years, not put any money in it, and the whole car only cost $2800.

I don't know whether it's just this car, or whether I'm not "modern new car" material, but I can tell you that it's not chicken feed for an old man on a fixed pension, coming out of the blue ....

I belong to another age.

Lannis

LowRyter · « **Reply #78 on:** August 10, 2020, 06:32:03 PM »

Quote from: Lannis on August 10, 2020, 04:55:27 PM

All right, I'm just about to go Right Off of Subarus.

I've been boosting our 2012 Outback ever since Fay bought it new, and it's been good for us, hasn't cost much, drives well, has been doing what it says on the tin.

It has 156,000 miles, so I took it in for a full service - CVT oil flush, differentials on the AWD, and all like that.

That was going to be about $800 all together.

BUT .... there was a hum in the rear end, the sunroof was acting dodgy, and the Check Engine light would come on about once ever tank of gas (I turn it off every time with the OBD II reader), so I got them to look into those.

$800 for the service
$1400 for a new sunroof (it stuck open while they were checking it and it won't close)
$1500 for a new catalytic converter (that's the Check Engine light, the cat con failed)
$670 for a new rear wheel bearing
---------
$ 4370 mostly unexpected.

I mean, I've been driving my Festiva for 7 years, not put any money in it, and the whole car only cost $2800.

I don't know whether it's just this car, or whether I'm not "modern new car" material, but I can tell you that it's not chicken feed for an old man on a fixed pension, coming out of the blue ....

I belong to another age.

Lannis

Doesn't sound like a bad deal, particularly for a Subaru. Don't go to Scotty Kilmer's YouTube and hear his spiel. He's no fan of flat engines regardless of make.

$4k for 150k+ miles? Cry us a river. .........Not going to be the first bill you'll get.

Lannis · « **Reply #79 on:** August 10, 2020, 06:59:50 PM »

Quote from: LowRyter on August 10, 2020, 06:32:03 PM

Doesn't sound like a bad deal, particularly for a Subaru. Don't go to Scotty Kilmer's YouTube and hear his spiel. He's no fan of flat engines regardless of make.

$4k for 150k+ miles? Cry us a river. .........Not going to be the first bill you'll get.

My problem is that I've bought a LOT of cars for less than $4K ... so a $4k repair bill seems astronomical.

As I said, I might not be cut out for a "new" car. Seems like a lot of money for not much benefit.

Lannis

PeteS · « **Reply #80 on:** August 10, 2020, 07:08:37 PM »

Lannis don't you have a local garage mechanic. Those prices might be typical dealer prices but most mom and pop places would charge about 1/3rd of that, at least around here. I have never used a dealer for service once the warranty is up.

Pete

Lannis · « **Reply #81 on:** August 10, 2020, 08:25:44 PM »

Quote from: PeteS on August 10, 2020, 07:08:37 PM

Lannis don't you have a local garage mechanic. Those prices might be typical dealer prices but most mom and pop places would charge about 1/3rd of that, at least around here. I have never used a dealer for service once the warranty is up.

Pete

It's definitely time, I think. Because we bought the car new there, we've had the dealer do all the service, which up to now, has been oil changes, light bulbs, and the normal timing belt change-out at 120,000 miles.

But if it's going to act like this, it's just a regular used car now, and I'm going to do like you suggest and take it to the regular used car mechanic that works on my old vehicles. I'll bet he can put a junkyard cat-con on there for WAY less than the dealer would do ....

Lannis

tommy2cyl · « **Reply #82 on:** August 10, 2020, 08:30:05 PM »

$670.00 for one (1) wheel bearing? Go to Rock Auto or Parts Geek online and check out some options. I have recently been pricing wheel bearings and hub replacement of my 2006 Mini S. All four corners with high grade Timken costs around $525.00. I think you definitely need to jump online and do some homework.

Lannis · « **Reply #83 on:** August 10, 2020, 09:05:34 PM »

Quote from: tommy2cyl on August 10, 2020, 08:30:05 PM

$670.00 for one (1) wheel bearing? Go to Rock Auto or Parts Geek online and check out some options. I have recently been pricing wheel bearings and hub replacement of my 2006 Mini S. All four corners with high grade Timken costs around $525.00. I think you definitely need to jump online and do some homework.

Yep, you're right. It's just that I do most all my own work or at least the planning and budgeting for all my other cars, my bikes, and my equipment, and I haven't had to fool with this one because it's been "new".

Time to change that. I apparently just wanted to have a good moan about it first; I hate these kinds of surprises!

Lannis

80CX100 · « **Reply #84 on:** August 11, 2020, 12:03:20 AM »

As a former Subaru owner, be thankful that the head gasket, tranny or CV joints weren't on the list,lol

I think any decent independent mechanic should be able to mcgyver your sunroof back into position so it's weatherproof; the money you saved on that job would probably cover all the other work that needs to get done.

I hate throwing money into cars and I only drive old beaters, so I can imagine it hurts a little more for one you bought new,,, but an 8 year trouble free run is pretty good.

Good luck with it

Kelly

Yeahoo Whoyah · « **Reply #85 on:** August 11, 2020, 01:53:34 AM »

lucky phil · « **Reply #86 on:** August 11, 2020, 02:58:53 AM »

Memories

https://www.hsv.com.au/see/clubsportr8tourerlsa/

Ciao

Murray · « **Reply #87 on:** August 11, 2020, 05:11:12 AM »

Quote from: lucky phil on August 11, 2020, 02:58:53 AM

Memories

https://www.hsv.com.au/see/clubsportr8tourerlsa/

Ciao

NB the above vehicle is not related to the Opel Insignia.

PeteS · « **Reply #88 on:** August 11, 2020, 06:39:57 AM »

Quote from: tommy2cyl on August 10, 2020, 08:30:05 PM

$670.00 for one (1) wheel bearing? Go to Rock Auto or Parts Geek online and check out some options. I have recently been pricing wheel bearings and hub replacement of my 2006 Mini S. All four corners with high grade Timken costs around $525.00. I think you definitely need to jump online and do some homework.

Thats what what jumped out at me too. I just replaced both rear wheel bearing hubs with ABS sensors on my 2003 Camry for 190 bucks. This for OE grade. Economy grade was well under 50 bucks each. Mine had been exposed to 15 seasons of rock salt so took more time to take off but still about an hour a side. With no rust its about 20 minutes/side.

Pete

Bulldog9 · « **Reply #89 on:** August 11, 2020, 07:26:47 AM »

Quote from: Lannis on August 10, 2020, 04:55:27 PM

All right, I'm just about to go Right Off of Subarus.

I've been boosting our 2012 Outback ever since Fay bought it new, and it's been good for us, hasn't cost much, drives well, has been doing what it says on the tin.

It has 156,000 miles, so I took it in for a full service - CVT oil flush, differentials on the AWD, and all like that.

That was going to be about $800 all together.

BUT .... there was a hum in the rear end, the sunroof was acting dodgy, and the Check Engine light would come on about once ever tank of gas (I turn it off every time with the OBD II reader), so I got them to look into those.

$800 for the service
$1400 for a new sunroof (it stuck open while they were checking it and it won't close)
$1500 for a new catalytic converter (that's the Check Engine light, the cat con failed)
$670 for a new rear wheel bearing
---------
$ 4370 mostly unexpected.

I mean, I've been driving my Festiva for 7 years, not put any money in it, and the whole car only cost $2800.

I don't know whether it's just this car, or whether I'm not "modern new car" material, but I can tell you that it's not chicken feed for an old man on a fixed pension, coming out of the blue ....

I belong to another age.

Lannis

We had an 05 Outback, ran it to 200K with no issues till 150K. Between 150 & 200K, it needed all 4 wheel bearings, front control arms, and struts all around. I did the struts, but not wheel bearings or control arms. Had a local private shop to the work, was 1/3 the dealer.

I had to reset the CEL 1-2x a year for the 02/Catalytic convertor. Car ran fine otherwise. Biggest issue was the drive by wire system and motor/sensor in the TB.

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