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[Rough Edge racing]

It's not about require. It's about greater capability = more margin

 I was being sarcastic....But it is an art to manage a two wheel drive rusted PU truck throughthe snow..Momentum is everything, rocking the truck, a manual trans is best so the engine can be lugged to aid traction...There are skills that will soon be lost to the one handed driving cell phone using coffee drinking SUV drivers...more sarcasm.....
 Years ago my wife and her fried went on a 2 day trip to the pottery factories in the area where PA, Ohio and WV come together. About a 300 mile ride one way..On the return to NY state they ran into a blizzard in the hills of PA...Her vehicle was a two wheel drive 5 speed manual S10 PU with all season tires. She cam up to a long hill, many vehicles had slid off the road...Nowhere to go but up the hill...The truck slowly crawled it's way up the hill..One rear  spinning slowly until it found grip, then with an open differential, the other tire spins and grips, each time the truck moves foward a foot..Then at times back down a bit and then try to get a running start for a few more feet...45 minutes later the truck crests the hill, rear tires gently steaming, to the amassment of several state troopers who didn't want to go down the hill...Now suppose you are a survivor of a plane crash in the wilderness and need to walk out to civilization with another survivor...Do you want the driver that relies on modern technology to drive in snow, or a someone like my wife? 
   Both our vehicles are 5 speed 4 wheel drive,, one selectable,one not...
 

[Kev m]

I was being sarcastic....But it is an art to manage a two wheel drive rusted PU truck throughthe snow..Momentum is everything, rocking the truck, a manual trans is best so the engine can be lugged to aid traction...There are skills that will soon be lost to the one handed driving cell phone using coffee drinking SUV drivers...more sarcasm.....
 Years ago my wife and her fried went on a 2 day trip to the pottery factories in the area where PA, Ohio and WV come together. About a 300 mile ride one way..On the return to NY state they ran into a blizzard in the hills of PA...Her vehicle was a two wheel drive 5 speed manual S10 PU with all season tires. She cam up to a long hill, many vehicles had slid off the road...Nowhere to go but up the hill...The truck slowly crawled it's way up the hill..One rear  spinning slowly until it found grip, then with an open differential, the other tire spins and grips, each time the truck moves foward a foot..Then at times back down a bit and then try to get a running start for a few more feet...45 minutes later the truck crests the hill, rear tires gently steaming, to the amassment of several state troopers who didn't want to go down the hill...Now suppose you are a survivor of a plane crash in the wilderness and need to walk out to civilization with another survivor...Do you want the driver that relies on modern technology to drive in snow, or a someone like my wife? 
   Both our vehicles have 4 wheel drive, one selectable,one not...

Sorry but I find this whole tract of thinking myopic and tiresome.

It is the same crap we see everyday here when people post crap about how stupid/dumb/worse ________________ is the unspoken being how much smarter/better/etc they are with their choices.

Maybe the problem is that it's a hallmark of the type of traits that draw us to Guzzi in the first place. I know I've been guilty of the thought process many times and I'm sure I've expressed it in the past too.

But maybe I've been slowly coming around and I'm just tiring of it.

In this case the difference in capability of a 2wd truck with open diff is in no way comparable to the capability of a modern AWD system.

But you don't like it for whatever reason so you're gonna argue:

* Yeah but I'm so good I can get by without it
* That's not enough, ok, well then I'm better than millenials cause I ________________
* Still not enough, ok, a plane crashes and I can get by without AWD so you want ME in a survival situation.

I think I've outlived my welcome here because this crap just grates on me.

Sometimes if feels like the damn curmudgeons in this place are all just shouting get off my lawn and let me die in peace and if I continue to stick around it only irks me or hastens the time I might live a joyless existence.

Rough - I like you man, I honestly got nothing against you, it just seems this post has been building again for days, weeks, months, and this silly debate about whether or not Subarus are great or suck or are a symbol of the decline of modern society just happens to the straw the breaks the back.... So sorry, don't take it personally.

But man I'm tired of the elitist pessimistic attitudes that creep into every other post.


PS - I remember many a bad PA snow/ice storm with a half a dozen vehicles spun off on the sides of roads or them turning around looking for another way to get to work because they couldn't make it up those hills. Sure some of them would have with winter tires. But ya know what, that literally has never happened to me in a single AWD vehicle I've owned, especially the Subarus, even when running all seasons. And that's nice when you need it. And the additional capability didn't dumb my skills, and it doesn't make the people who enjoy that capability idiots who can't drive .... Sometimes I wish my JKU was a JLU and I could have gotten the new transfer case with the full-time 4wd setting also - sure would make for fewer pucker moments in the bad stuff. Oh well, I'll just have to deal with it.

[Kev m]

PS - - - think about that last story - 45 minutes to crest a SINGLE hill... that's stupid when it doesn't have to be that way.

[blackcat]

Hey Kev, let’s talk about points vs electronic ignitions and carbs vs fuel injection.........

[fotoguzzi]

[Rough Edge racing]

PS - - - think about that last story - 45 minutes to crest a SINGLE hill... that's stupid when it doesn't have to be that way.

 Come on, you're all  too serious...lighten up...It was a long hill but a true story  .......How old are you Kev ? Can you remember when 4 wheel drive was something found only in PU trucks and these trucks where seldeom used for commuting...Yes ,times have changed, the vast majority of vehicles are all wheel drive or at least front drive with traction control....I have had 4x4 vehicles for about 32 years now....
 
 

[LowRyter]

Living in Okla City flyover country, we get intermittent spurts of bad weather.  The worst is ice and freezing rain.  We get snow too.  It might be 60 degree the day before and then a foot of snow the next day.  A week later it's 60 degrees.

Anyway, back in the dark days when I commuted to work, when the weather would come in overnight, I'd usually get an early start to work.  The commute was a parking lot of cars slipping on the ice, hitting each other, fender benders, by the time we all got to work, at least those that made it, we were nervous wrecks and the unlucky ones had banged up cars to boot.

My professional training got me to thinking, "what is the purpose of this?"   Three or four hours to make a 40 minute commute?  Why risk physical health, mental health and your car?  I decided to just stay at home and watch the traffic report.  Once the traffic had cleared off, leave then.   So wait at home for 3 hours, then make my 40 minute commute.  Typically I was no more than a half hour later than my coworkers.  No one cared about being late since we were on weather delay.  Just showing up was key and by that time everyone was trying to calm down and drink their coffee and blending together telling stories.

[Bulldog9]

Sorry but I find this whole tract of thinking myopic and tiresome.

It is the same crap we see everyday here when people post crap about how stupid/dumb/worse ________________ is the unspoken being how much smarter/better/etc they are with their choices.

Maybe the problem is that it's a hallmark of the type of traits that draw us to Guzzi in the first place. I know I've been guilty of the thought process many times and I'm sure I've expressed it in the past too.

But maybe I've been slowly coming around and I'm just tiring of it.

In this case the difference in capability of a 2wd truck with open diff is in no way comparable to the capability of a modern AWD system.

But you don't like it for whatever reason so you're gonna argue:

* Yeah but I'm so good I can get by without it
* That's not enough, ok, well then I'm better than millenials cause I ________________
* Still not enough, ok, a plane crashes and I can get by without AWD so you want ME in a survival situation.

I think I've outlived my welcome here because this crap just grates on me.

Sometimes if feels like the damn curmudgeons in this place are all just shouting get off my lawn and let me die in peace and if I continue to stick around it only irks me or hastens the time I might live a joyless existence.

Rough - I like you man, I honestly got nothing against you, it just seems this post has been building again for days, weeks, months, and this silly debate about whether or not Subarus are great or suck or are a symbol of the decline of modern society just happens to the straw the breaks the back.... So sorry, don't take it personally.

But man I'm tired of the elitist pessimistic attitudes that creep into every other post.


PS - I remember many a bad PA snow/ice storm with a half a dozen vehicles spun off on the sides of roads or them turning around looking for another way to get to work because they couldn't make it up those hills. Sure some of them would have with winter tires. But ya know what, that literally has never happened to me in a single AWD vehicle I've owned, especially the Subarus, even when running all seasons. And that's nice when you need it. And the additional capability didn't dumb my skills, and it doesn't make the people who enjoy that capability idiots who can't drive .... Sometimes I wish my JKU was a JLU and I could have gotten the new transfer case with the full-time 4wd setting also - sure would make for fewer pucker moments in the bad stuff. Oh well, I'll just have to deal with it.

Yeah, but what oil do you use? 

[Rough Edge racing]

 Whoa, I seem to be getting the heat for the negative Subaru comments...And being a jerk  for jabbing  at modern vehicles.....Damn, I got be nicer than that.....How about a bit of fun in the snow with me in a 47 CJ2A...Give it a few seconds to load and turn up the volume.

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[Testarossa]

Things I know are true:
You can land any plane on water, but if you want to take off again you need floats.
Any AWD vehicle can take you off road, but that's no guarantee of getting you back on pavement.
Any oil is better than no oil.
Etc.

[bratman2]

Every time Subaru is mentioned there seems to be a lot of haters. Worse, so much false information. Blown head gaskets, like putting coolant in oil, burning coolant in combustion chambers, are pretty rare on a Subaru. They generally weep oil or coolant if a head gasket fails. Every vehicle manufacture out there has had trouble over the years. Audi, okay, how about run away cars years ago that crashed while Audi stuck there head in the sand about it! Come to think of it Toyota had the same problem, pedal goes to the floor and the ride is on! I can say to my knowledge Subaru has never killed anyone with their mistakes. But Audi and Toyota gets a pass from the public. The head gasket issue was made way worse when repaired by people that lacked the skills to do it properly. Axles, where does this come from? I have replaced a few on my Brat, and owned it over  22 years now. I have rebooted right many too. You have axle failure and you have boot failure. To my knowledge neither happens out of the ordinary on a Subaru. I base this off of many Subarus owned over the years. One with 151k one owner miles when sold and no axles replaced!!

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

Audi, okay, how about run away cars years ago that crashed while Audi stuck there head in the sand about it! Come to think of it Toyota had the same problem, pedal goes to the floor and the ride is on! I can say to my knowledge Subaru has never killed anyone with their mistakes. But Audi and Toyota gets a pass from the public.

The supposed "unintended acceleration" of Audis was proven to be caused by driver error - the "driver" pressing on the wrong pedal. The only thing that Audi could be faulted for was placing the brake pedal a little too close to the accelerator. Once a shift lock (that required the driver to depress the brake before it could be shifted into gear) was installed, there was no more problem. The whole "60 Minutes" segment about it was all a big setup.

I should be thankful to "60 Minutes" - I wanted an Audi in the worst way, but prior to their story airing, a used 5000S was $11k. A few months after I could buy one for $5k.

[bratman2]

You may very well be correct, it was a long time ago. But, on Toyota that was not the case and people did die!
Just so you know, I have nothing against Audi or Toyota. Actually my oldest daughter has a friend with a S6 V10 I find to be kind of awesome! I think it is an S6, my memory is not the best.

[Rough Edge racing]

Every time Subaru is mentioned there seems to be a lot of haters. Worse, so much false information. Blown head gaskets, like putting coolant in oil, burning coolant in combustion chambers, are pretty rare on a Subaru.

  This is from a well know Subaru specialist, it is a real problem.....https://www.licmotorsports.com/blog/the-dreaded-subaru-head-gasket-issue

  As I mentioned earlier when a headgasket(s) fails at 100k miles on an otherwise good vehicle, you just just fix it, pay the $1500 and motor on for many more years...

[bratman2]

Well known to who? If he was so good he would know to use the Subaru STI head gaskets that end in 777. Once and done if done correct.

[Rough Edge racing]

Well known to who? If he was so good he would know to use the Subaru STI head gaskets that end in 777. Once and done if done correct.

 And you are a Subaru machanic or own a shop that specializes in Subarus?  I used recently released (at the time)  Felpro gaskets on a 99 Forester about 10 years ago...Recomended  and they don't leak again either. ...In my opinion no shop wants a come back on a headgasket job so they will use what works...And it just might be one of several options... The headgasket issues at 100k miles is not make the car a throwaway, it's a documented problem, you just deal with it...

[Moparnut72]

Neons and PT Cruisers had some head gasket issues too due to a difference of expansion between the head and block. A redesigned head gasket cured that once and for all. A head gasket repair on a Subaru isn't cheap either. On some models, if not all, the engine has to come out.

I will stand by my statement that I sold a LOT of Subaru front axles. In fact a couple of times I had a shop that needed one and didn't have it because we had just sold it and the restock hadn't come in. We didn't even have to search for them we knew right where they were in the large supply of axles. They are quite easy to change though.

Most if not all brands have issues. Dodge Cummins like water pumps, Powerstrokes like alternators and valve cover gaskets, the injector harnesses are in them, Chevy trucks love front hubs, on and on.

Don't get me wrong though, I LIKE Subarus. It is the brand that I recommended to my step daughter for several reasons.  The excellent all wheel drive was one of them as well as the excellent fuel mileage.
kk

[Two Checks]

A correction to an earlier post...
An open differential only drives one wheel-hence the "open" terminology. The other side is open-no connection.
May folks call them, "one wheel peel".
Diffs that will drive one wheel then the other are limited slip u its. GM called it Posi Traction and Chrysler called it Sure Grip.

[acguzzi]

So the blog says that the head gasket is an issue on 2010 and earlier, I am good to go.

[Bulldog9]

  Yep............ It's winter............. .......

[bratman2]

No I don't own a Subaru shop. We just have them stacked in our family like cords of wood, currently 5. I do all our work on them. If you have a problem with a Moto Guzzi would you take Peter Roper's advice or random internet? I take "Rick's" advice on Subarus. He is the Peter Roper of Subarus on the Subaru forum. I have done head gaskets, just not on a Subaru. Timing belts, seals, etc, etc!