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Re: 100K mi on my Small Block !
« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2020, 01:28:55 PM »
I warm up the Norge for a couple of minutes because it will die on me if I don't.
That IS alot of miles (it averages 16,666.66 every year). Good for you.

That's odd...what RPM does it idle at when it's warmed up?  Norges typically fire right up and idle high for about 20 seconds and then settle in to the standard RMP idle rate.
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Re: 100K mi on my Small Block !
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2020, 02:09:13 PM »
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What handlebars are you running on that bike?  They look more turned down than stock.

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Re: 100K mi on my Small Block !
« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2020, 02:42:16 PM »
My Stornello Mk2 rattles with clutch out in neutral. Having oil pumped around GB rather than splash might accentuate the input shaft rattle. My Breva 750 was definitely quiet in neutral maybe the 1 litre oil bath helps .
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Re: 100K mi on my Small Block !
« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2020, 02:56:34 PM »
That's odd...what RPM does it idle at when it's warmed up?  Norges typically fire right up and idle high for about 20 seconds and then settle in to the standard RMP idle rate.

Very different set-up from a Norge. The 2TB CARC motors seem to have much more robust ECM programming and idle stepper motor so they are ride away stable very quickly. The 1TB smallblocks use a more basic ECM/throttle body assembly with multiple integrated sensors and an idle circuit that cannot fully compensate for temperature or pressure variations during warm-up. Pete suggested over the years that it might be using timing to partly control the idle circuit. Whatever it is SOMETIMES the ECM will hunt wildly for idle speed in the first few minutes of operation (for my MKI model at least). Once it is warmed it likely never does it again that day, but jebus it is downright dangerous if you try to pull away too soon after a real cold start.
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Re: 100K mi on my Small Block !
« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2020, 04:47:04 PM »
Very different set-up from a Norge. The 2TB CARC motors seem to have much more robust ECM programming and idle stepper motor so they are ride away stable very quickly. The 1TB smallblocks use a more basic ECM/throttle body assembly with multiple integrated sensors and an idle circuit that cannot fully compensate for temperature or pressure variations during warm-up. Pete suggested over the years that it might be using timing to partly control the idle circuit. Whatever it is SOMETIMES the ECM will hunt wildly for idle speed in the first few minutes of operation (for my MKI model at least). Once it is warmed it likely never does it again that day, but jebus it is downright dangerous if you try to pull away too soon after a real cold start.

Thanks Kevin..my question was about Scott's Norge he mentions above that dies on him if he doesn't warm it up....not Small block question.

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Re: 100K mi on my Small Block !
« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2020, 04:55:14 PM »
Thanks Kevin..my question was about Scott's Norge he mentions above that dies on him if he doesn't warm it up....not Small block question.

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Oopppsss, my bad.

Yeah, that is odd.

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Re: 100K mi on my Small Block !
« Reply #66 on: May 15, 2020, 07:26:53 PM »
SmithSwede: Only at 40k miles on my V7 II and great to know I will be able to enjoy it for many more miles (based on your experience). Thanks a lot for for putting together such detailed info on your bike's history.
Looking forward to hearing about other milestones with your bike. Cheers.
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Re: 100K mi on my Small Block !
« Reply #67 on: May 15, 2020, 07:55:54 PM »
Yes..!
That post #26 is a somewhat definitive document of how to operate a small block long term.... :thumb:

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Re: 100K mi on my Small Block !
« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2020, 08:01:53 PM »
I warm up the Norge for a couple of minutes because it will die on me if I don't.
There are three fundamental reasons for that.
It’ll probably be the stepper motor, or could even be the stepper motor, but I’m betting it will be the stepper motor.

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