Is the V85TT fast enough?

[Huzo]

Yes..
But we no longer are..

[Bulldog9]

https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/pace/

This might assist

That's a great article.  Suffice it to say 'speed' and how fast is relative. Bottom line for me is responsible riding. That may be different for different people, and is determined by skill, health, motorcycle capability, and of course conditions. Makes no sense to debate this or slap your manhood on the table to compare.

 

[GeorgiaGuzzi]

https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/pace/

This might assist

That’s an excellent article, and explains much better how I try to ride than I can! Especially the parts about lane control and braking! To go fast you have to go slow is a lesson learned by experience. Thanks for posting the link.

[GeorgiaGuzzi]

That's the problem.  Fast enough does exist.  Enough money exists, as does HP.   The concept that to much is never enough is dumb.
The point of diminishing returns applies in all areas mentioned.

Hmmm, I think my communication skills are showing their limits.

If a rider feels like their bike is fast enough, it is. If they feel that their bike is not fast enough, it never will be. A good friend of mine bought a cbr 1100xx when it first came out. He was disappointed that it would “only” run 197. He sent it to a speed shop and with some tweaks it would run 205-207. I had a super hawk so I didn’t keep up. Which was fine for me. Now you got guys uncorking busa’s and zx14’s and H2’s and hitting insane speeds. Personally I love “slow” bikes that handle well. Of course slow is relative too. To have a bike that becomes “fast enough” a rider has to become content, otherwise it will never be fast enough.

However, I do beg to differ about things being fast enough, enough money, etc. I have never gotten a track time with the SCCA and thought, “yup, that’s as fast as possible”! There is always something I can do to shave more time. Ditto at the Friday night grudge races. I’ve never gotten a time slip and thought, “nope, can’t improve there”! There’s always a bit where I need to be better. Same for HP, I have grand plans (lol) to rebuild my 12v Cummins to about 450 rwhp, would I love to try for over 1k? For sure! There are guys daily driving rigs with up to 1200hp. My budget says otherwise tho. And no matter how much you have in the bank, you have to stay hungry! No saying greedy exactly, but the minute a person thinks they have it made is the minute it starts slipping away. That’s what I was trying to say.

[steveford]

Well,  I guess you are talking about me.  I'll just say I don't need bragging to compensate for some ahem, inadequacy.  I ride for the pure pleasure of being on two wheels and have nothing to prove to anybody.  A couple guys I have traveled with go on ahead and ride like they are in a race.  In more than one occasion I waved at them while they were being written a ticket.  When I asked them if they saw that waterfall, or mountain peak, all they can say is no.  Take it to the track if you want to see what a bike can really do. 

 

[GeorgiaGuzzi]

GG, sorry, nope, it’s not only about you. 80 mph on the roads out here will endanger others and get you a ticket pronto. Act your age, live within the rules, and save it for the track.

Sorry sir, your profile has the wrong state listed. You see, CO means Colorado. And I’ve been all over Colorado. From Independence pass to Durango. Aspen, Pikes Peak, Grand Junction, Denver, and that god awful part that joins up to Kansas and pipes heat in directly from hades! And you know what, I’ve never gotten a ticket in Colorado. I haven’t even been blue-lighted to slow down. I do remember lots of pretty scenery. I also remember getting passed a lot while I was riding 80-85 on the interstate! So I can only conclude that your profile means to say CT, which is Connecticut and one of the states where traffic is so heavy that running 80-90 would result in a close encounter of the bumper kind. Which is to be avoided even more than close encounters of the law enforcement kind!!! 😂😂😂

[bad Chad]

I get what you're saying Georgia.   And I agree, when it comes to on track racing, plenty is never enough!

[Mr Pootle]

I must have missed the memo telling us to correct each other's spelling.  Did it include punctuation, too?  Because, your's is a mess.

We've been through this before. Huzo and I have a solemn duty to teach you Americans how to spell.

[Huzo]

I must have missed the memo telling us to correct each other's spelling.  Did it include punctuation, too?  Because, your's is a mess.

Well then, please feel free to re do my post with correct punctuation.
If everyone has their say, there should not be a comma between the words, “ punctuation” and “too”.
Oh and I was going to be kind, but bugger it.
“Yours” in this case does not require an apostrophe since it is a possessive noun...
In addition, “others” does not require an apostrophe either since it it a pronoun. Don’t worry though, I don’t think anyone noticed..

[Huzo]

We've been through this before. Huzo and I have a solemn duty to teach you Americans how to spell.

I don’t think they’re interested Poots, but we’ll persevere irregardless.

[BillinPA]

So for comparisons sake...how does the V85tt  compare with a V11EV?

[Gliderjohn]

Motorcycles, they are all fun. Have very fond memories of riding 70cc-175cc bikes and probably could still enjoy one. I currently ride a somewhat modified T-3 (56.5 RWHP) and a stock Norge 8V. They are both a bucketful of fun.
I will fully admit that I like to ride higher than the speed limits much of the time but only under conditions that are reasonable to it at the time. Have never had a ticket while doing this. The Norge is fun to hotdog a bit in curves but is rather boring at high straightaway speeds. Have rode it to 140mph indicated on a private runway and might as well been doing 70 from the feel and stability. Have had my T-3 to 115 indicated double up with my wife and though stable you know on no uncertain terms that you have broke the ton.
Since the T-3 is well...a 70s vintage technology bike it demands more attention and skill than the Norge. But it is also much more satisfying to ride well. It also makes all those neat old Guzzi vibrations and noises. 
While on the T-3 on a ride in a somewhat actually curvy, very rural part of Kansas I notice a bike pulling on the same road well ahead of me that started riding fairly spritly. Out of cuoriosity I tried to reel him in. Took over 20 miles and a stop sign to catch what was a BMW GS. Was a fun time. Would have been no challenge on the Norge. Be careful and reasonable and ride your own ride folks.
GliderJohn

[jrt]

irregardless.

Now I know you are just messing with us.

BTW, is it 'canceled' or 'cancelled'?

[Vagrant]

So for comparisons sake...how does the V85tt  compare with a V11EV?

like a tundra compares to a camry!

[bad Chad]

So for comparisons sake...how does the V85tt  compare with a V11EV?

Good question, as I believe they both put down similar power.  The TT weighs a bit less, and has a much slicker gear box, but to the degree any of that matters?

[Tom]

I must have missed the memo telling us to correct each other's spelling.  Did it include punctuation, too?  Because, your's is a mess.

You haven't posted enough.  The English "professor" out of Medina, OH would correct you. 

[Blaufeld66]

So for comparisons sake...how does the V85tt  compare with a V11EV?

OK, now I know this forum is USA-based, but I HAVE to point that a "V11EV" is just an American market thing.
There is NO V11EV produced by Moto Guzzi.

Look:

This is a Moto Guzzi V11
    https://www.google.com/search?q=moto+Guzzi+v11&client=tablet-android-huawei-rev1&prmd=ivsn&sxsrf=ALeKk01-8MBcOpkm_npB6Xhk0TmhwICJkg:1589443142445&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjrp5WP8bLpAhVHy6QKHYLcCZ8Q_AUoAXoECBIQAQ&biw=960&bih=600   

And this is a Moto Guzzi EV California
   https://www.google.com/search?q=moto+guzzi+ev+1100+california&source=lmns&bih=600&biw=960&client=tablet-android-huawei-rev1&prmd=ismvn&hl=it&ved=2ahUKEwilqfSZ8bLpAhXI6qQKHW50BYoQ_AUoAHoECAAQAw

Yes, I'm a Guzzi Nazist. :D

[Knuckle Dragger]

Fast enough?  To do what?  Commute?  Tour?  Scratch?  Kill yourself?  Lose your licence?  Hell yeah!  It'll do all that & more besides.

Maybe a more appropriate question should be.....

IS THE V85 POWERFUL ENOUGH?  I'd personally prefer another 20 or so torques, just to make it a little less peaky & a smidge more lazy in its power delivery.

[Cage Free]

I get the fast enough part, for me its about which friends I'm riding with(some mellow, others just haul ass) and if our wives join us. Don't have a V85 but had a 13 Stelvio for 47k miles and while it was fast enough it certainly could use more guts while two up in passing situations. I test rode a V85 twice and it just didn't have the beans for my style of riding. Still have a 17 Griso and recently bought a FJR1300 for two up and it certainly doesn't suffer from lack of power in any situation.

[Testarossa]

The general consensus seems to be that "fast enough" is relative, and I agree. I have a different comfort-with-speed quotient for each of my bikes. As a rule I'll take torque at 3000-4000 rpm over horsepower any day. My version of "pace" is "flow" -- keeping a consistent speed (4000 rpm in fourth or third) by using the whole lane and a smooth late apex.

On the '70 Triumph 65 is plenty fast and I'm happier at 55 on a winding two-lane blacktop. 45 if two-up.

On the 850T, 75 is fast enough. When I was younger, 85, and I'll do that to overtake.

The Mille is smooth and stable to 95, but I'm no longer interested.

The F650 is like the 850T in speed potential, but grows unpleasantly buzzy over 70.

[bad Chad]

Wow, some of you guys appear to be lucky in a sense, spouses that heavy duty acceleration on the back seat of a M/C.   Mine much prefers a leisurely ride where things don't get too exciting.

[Tom]

Take her for a ride in NYC.     She'll calm down on any open road at any speed with the exception of riding in a hack. 

[twowheeladdict]

Take her for a ride in NYC.     She'll calm down on any open road at any speed with the exception of riding in a hack. 

Went through Cincinnati at rush hour with my wife on the back.  Almost catapulted her off the bike because of the frost heaves.  She was also waving her hands around at merging traffic to make sure they knew we were there and she wasn't happy!  She didn't complain when we took the long way home.   

[oldbike54]

I don’t think they’re interested Poots, but we’ll persevere irregardless.

 I've been in England and know several Ozzies , you folks should probably start agreeing on spelling and usage of the English language before attempting to tutor the rest of us .

 Dusty

[Huzo]

I've been in England and know several Ozzies , you folks should probably start agreeing on spelling and usage of the English language before attempting to tutor the rest of us .

 Dusty

Why Dusty ?
The English language did not start in America.

[Mr Pootle]

Why Dusty ?
The English language did not start in America.

You tell him, Huzo!

[oldbike54]

Why Dusty ?
The English language did not start in America.

 True

 

You tell him, Huzo!

 Except you English folk are speaking English , why do you say "hey up" , and what is this Ozzie nonsense "how ya goin? 

 Let's face it , calling a cookie a biscuit or a sausage a banger is revealing 

 My favorite was Wally Batty , you needed a translator to understand him 

 Dusty

[nick949]

Why Dusty ?
The English language did not start in America.

FF Sake guys. Read Bill Bryson's magnificent book "Made in America - An informal history of the English Language in the United States" before talking drivel about what's 'right'.

Motorcycles are far more interesting than spelling or punctuation. Let's get back to it.  Language is subject to evolutionary and regional change.  Try grappling with some 18th century English for a while. That will dispel any notions of primacy.

Nick

[bad Chad]

Huzo,  haven’t we taught you about American Exceptualism ?  We r better than yous by the grace of god.  You should be grateful we let you talk on are forum.   Go Team Merica!

[oldbike54]

FF Sake guys. Read Bill Bryson's magnificent book "Made in America - An informal history of the English Language in the United States" before talking drivel about what's 'right'.

Motorcycles are far more interesting than spelling or punctuation. Let's get back to it.  Language is subject to evolutionary and regional change.  Try grappling with some 18th century English for a while. That will dispel any notions of primacy.

Nick

 That is a great book .

 English probably more than any other language evolves over time , terms and words from other languages implant in English , some of the most colorful versions are the pidgin dialects spoken on the Islands . A friend who grew up in a Hong Kong neighborhood during the 1950's that was populated by mostly English speakers spoke a version that was intelligible , but used a different syntax .

 Dusty