V85 map update

[Bisbonian]

Thank you very much for sharing that information.  I am also interested in the "Y-pipe" cat delete.  My main reason for considering this is simply to divert heat away from the engine.  I live in SoCal and I ride a lot of desert roads; I also occasionally encounter stop-and-go traffic, so heat is a concern.  I simply want to do right by the engine.  I have read a least one claim stating that the removal of the cat allowed the engine to run cooler, but I don't know if this is actually being measured/validated vs. just assumed.  I appreciate you sharing an opposing opinion.....I guess I need to do more research regarding this matter.
Thank you again for your comments.

I'm in Tucson, so probably fairly similar temps and riding conditions.
Moving down the road has never given me any heat issues with the engine. Sitting in summer traffic is another thing altogether. In summer traffic the engine heats up and I get a lot of pinging afterward until the engine cools back down a bit, normal riding cools the engine back down. The cat delete did not change this, and neither did the addition of the booster plug. The booster plug does do away with the dead spot off idle when cold however.

[Moto Vita]

I'm in Tucson, so probably fairly similar temps and riding conditions.
Moving down the road has never given me any heat issues with the engine. Sitting in summer traffic is another thing altogether. In summer traffic the engine heats up and I get a lot of pinging afterward until the engine cools back down a bit, normal riding cools the engine back down. The cat delete did not change this, and neither did the addition of the booster plug. The booster plug does do away with the dead spot off idle when cold however.

 Ignoring the running conditions, what about felt heat on your feet and ankles?

[j.davis]

Ignoring the running conditions, what about felt heat on your feet and ankles?

That is the only reason I  put the y pipe on, to stop my feet heating up. Might be good in cooler climates, but Australia is a bit warm.

[Paultergeist]

I'm in Tucson, so probably fairly similar temps and riding conditions.
Moving down the road has never given me any heat issues with the engine. Sitting in summer traffic is another thing altogether. In summer traffic the engine heats up and I get a lot of pinging afterward until the engine cools back down a bit, normal riding cools the engine back down. The cat delete did not change this, and neither did the addition of the booster plug. The booster plug does do away with the dead spot off idle when cold however.

Thanks very much for the info.......assuming you kept the stock muffler, did the Y-pipe result in the bike being noticeable louder?

[jrt]

Paul, with a Y pipe it is not much louder.  Still sounds very civilized. 

[v85kris]

My bike runs really well with the stock map(early 2020), like everyone else it’s a little sketchy down low but not bad.  I’d only upgrade if I knew it would really smooth things out but I don’t really think there’s a lot to improve on.  I put a Mistral y-pipe on mine to help with the heat, I also live in Southern Cal and run into slow, stop and go traffic frequently. Ya,she gets hot, but the y-pipe helped enough to make it a worth while purchase, I’d do it again.  Still running the stock tail pipe, not sure I want/need to upgrade.  The y-pipe added a little volume to the exhaust note, actually a bit loud for my taste but not too bad. I’ve read some complaints that removing the cat causes the bike to back fire or pop on decell.  I think it’s just that it’s louder you “hear” more of the same that is there when stock, it’s more accentuated.  I do notice a bit of a “rich” fuel smell, probably because the cat isn’t burning off the excess emissions, just guessing.
Unless a map makes a big change, I’m sticking with what already works.

[Huzo]

I’ll readily admit that I would not be disappointed if my bike was a bit quieter.
I have the dB killers in and it’s ok...(just).
The Zard sounds reasonably mellow under load and pretty good on the gas when overtaking etc...
At idle it’s just a fraction raucous.
https://youtu.be/ji_1RUDuRIg

[Bisbonian]

Ignoring the running conditions, what about felt heat on your feet and ankles?

I still get heat on my feet and ankles. Probably a bit less but depending upon riding conditions it can still be a bit much. It's possible that different footwear can alleviate a lot of that, when commuting I wear lighter, vented, riding boots which probably allow a lot more heat to be felt over the full leather boots I use for touring.

[Bisbonian]

Thanks very much for the info.......assuming you kept the stock muffler, did the Y-pipe result in the bike being noticeable louder?

I found the bike to be noticeably louder after the change of the y-pipe. I kept the stock muffler. That's not to say it's loud, but the difference is there.

I finally got my rear gate replaced so now I don't have to ride between houses to get to the street, if I still had to do that then I'd be disappointed in the extra bit of noise waking my neighbors, but since I go out the back now I don't worry about it so much. I have no desire to get an aftermarket pipe that would likely add more noise.

[Larry]

Hope I'm on the right track here but to find the map information on my 1200 Sport I hook up the cables and use GuzziDiag Reader software,  in this case IAW5xReader, then read (copy) the map to my HD. What it does is produce a .txt file which contains the required information on the map.
This is what was on my Sport when I purchased it:
Drawing: 2229STA42ZA
Hardware: IAW5AMHW610
Omologation:
Software:           
Tester: WLoad1039T
Date: 2016.04.02

Hope it helps, but you do need the cables and software.

Larry

[NWrider]

After I added the Y pipe to my V85 I noticed that the sound at idle was louder and more raucus.  I also noted that the cold start idle was much more uneven and surging until it warmed up a bit.   I recently did the 6000 mile service and valve check and found the intake valves were looser than spec at about .006 thou while the exhaust valves were still in spec.   Resetting the intakes to .004 thou has eliminated the cold start idle instability.   I'm taking my bike in to the dealer in Queen Creek (AZ) at the end of next week to have the rear drive seal recall done and the ECU map updated.   It will be interesting to see if the ECU map update has any effect on the cold start idle behavior.

[Paultergeist]

After I added the Y pipe to my V85 I noticed that the sound at idle was louder and more raucus...... I'm taking my bike in to the dealer in Queen Creek (AZ) at the end of next week to have the rear drive seal recall done and the ECU map updated.   It will be interesting to see if the ECU map update has any effect on the cold start idle behavior.

I apologize for responding late to this post......working some long hours.....

Thank you for your observation regarding the Y-pipe.  Thanks to everyone else as well.  I may end up having to "buy one to try one," as I am truly interested in this mod, but I hate to make the bike much louder.

I did not know about a read drive seal recall......I need to check and see if my bike might be effected?

Please let us know how the ECU map update works out (one more thing I should verify as well).

[blu guzz]

i just scheduled my bike in for the y-pipe and centerstand install next month.  Pretty expensive, but I think will result in real world riding improvements.

[Bisbonian]

I did not know about a read drive seal recall......I need to check and see if my bike might be effected?

The recalls should have been completed before you took delivery of the motorcycle. At least AF1 said they were not able to release the bike until they were completed when I bought mine.

[Paultergeist]

I have a feeling that the answer to the question is an obvious "no," but...... Does the GuzziDiag application allow for any adjustment of the fueling?

[smdl]

I have a feeling that the answer to the question is an obvious "no," but...... Does the GuzziDiag application allow for any adjustment of the fueling?

Guzzidiag actually provides a suite of applications comprised of Guzzidiag, Reader, Writer and Tunerpro). The last one allows you to edit maps.  All are free, but you'll want to donate something to the developers if you feel that you get value from them.

Update: Keep in mind, though, that even the most well-versed in map development have not yet come up with a custom map for the V85 (at least not with Tunerpro, that I am aware of).  It's a bit complex due to the multiple modes, etc., but it's certainly doable.  The V85 uses the same ECU (7SM) as the 1400 bikes, and there are maps available for those.  You do have to be very careful with these ECUs to ensure that there is no power loss to the bike or computer during the write sequence, though.

Cheers,
Shaun

[Paultergeist]

Thanks Shaun,

I appreciate the thoughtful and technical reply.  As I believe I mentioned previously, much of this is over my head, but I am trying to gain some basic knowledge and understanding.

The simple fact is that I find my mind oscillating between a couple of opposed perspectives:

The first perspective is that I purchased a really cool motorcycle which I enjoy very much and seems to run just great.  (I should add, however, that it is wintertime in San Diego County [where I live], and the heat which I detect from the cat does not seem as bothersome -- that may change in the hotter months).  By this perspective, the bike overall runs just fine, and I should simply perform scheduled maintenance and continue to enjoy the motorcycle without worry.

The opposing perspective seems to be that -- in order to pass emissions requirements -- the bike in its stock configuration is running dangerously lean over much of the RPM range (while also being set to run very rich at other times in order to cool the engine? -- go figure) and that this fuel management issue is a serious problem which should be corrected if I want the engine to run properly and last for a long time.

Depending upon who I ask (and perhaps which forum I visit), I get a couple of very different takes on the matter.  What I lack is any means to actually detect / measure the fueling of the bike.  I am just trying to see my way through this fog.  I may have to bite the bullet and dive into GuzziDiag if I want to learn more.

Thanks again.

[smdl]

You're very welcome.  It might make sense to just enjoy the bike as it is for a while, and see if you experience any problems (or if anyone else in your area does). 

In the meantime, get Guzzidiag set up (even if only for diagnostic purposes), and you'll be ready to either update with a purchased map that might come on the market, or to dive into the deep end with Tunerpro.  Either way, it makes sense to have application and connectivity set up as there is value regardless of how far you decide to go. 

Oh, and yes, you have purchased a really cool motorcycle!   

Cheers,
Shaun