2021 Lemans

[andyals]

Seems to me that the 850 displacement of the V7 presents an absolutely ideal opportunity to bring out a full on homage tribute to the original Lemans.
I was convinced that this was partial reasoning behind making it an 850 but now that we are at their 100th anniversary with no sign of it, I must concede that sadly I was wrong.
But why don't they do it.
In fact at a bike meet a few years ago I saw a V7 that someone had done this to with authentic paint job and clip on bars and it looked stunning.
Such minimal work for a show stopper.
Literally almost everyone who walked past it stopped to look.
Triumph prove it works with their hugely successful Bonneville and I'm sure Guzzi must be aware of the iconic status of the original Lemans so why not capitalise on it.

[JJ]

Such a classic...My old 1983 850 Le Mans-III.   
If Guzzi made an 850 Le Mans for 2021...it needs to look similar to this, (IMHO)

[Bulldog9]

Seems to me that the 850 displacement of the V7 presents an absolutely ideal opportunity to bring out a full on homage tribute to the original Lemans.
I was convinced that this was partial reasoning behind making it an 850 but now that we are at their 100th anniversary with no sign of it, I must concede that sadly I was wrong.
But why don't they do it.
In fact at a bike meet a few years ago I saw a V7 that someone had done this to with authentic paint job and clip on bars and it looked stunning.
Such minimal work for a show stopper.
Literally almost everyone who walked past it stopped to look.
Triumph prove it works with their hugely successful Bonneville and I'm sure Guzzi must be aware of the iconic status of the original Lemans so why not capitalise on it.

They would be fools to not pursue this direction. Perhaps as the Anniversary approaches? Big reveal?  They have the parts in house to do this.

[andyals]

Such a classic...My old 1983 850 Le Mans-III.   
If Guzzi made an 850 Le Mans for 2021...it needs to look similar to this, (IMHO)

I found this on this very forum.
I think its a photo shop illustration but I'd buy this in an instant.

[bad Chad]

Come on fellas!  Do you really think Guzzi would show the New Halo bike now, 8 months before the big party?

They would be nuts not to have something very cool in the works, but it would be ant-climactic to reveal it now.  Have patients young grasshoppers.

Of course they could have nothing of the kind in the works, but that's seems highly unlikely even for a company like Piaggio.

[JJ]

I found this on this very forum.
I think its a photo shop illustration but I'd buy this in an instant.

I agree...and that is exactly what I am talking about!!   

[Dirk_S]

I found this on this very forum.
I think its a photo shop illustration but I'd buy this in an instant.

Ain’t no photoshop, but a kit. Go buy it!

https://www.motoguzzi.com/pt_PT/Fast-Endurance/the-motorbike/

[coast range rider]

Seems to me that the 850 displacement of the V7 presents an absolutely ideal opportunity to bring out a full on homage tribute to the original Lemans...
In fact at a bike meet a few years ago I saw a V7 that someone had done this to with authentic paint job and clip on bars and it looked stunning...
Literally almost everyone who walked past it stopped to look...

Does Moto Guzzi want to make a beautiful bike I would stop to look at? Or does Moto Guzzi want to make a bike I would buy to ride? They are not the same bike. For my hard earned dollars performance and comfort always win out over looks.

[twowheeladdict]

 

I found this on this very forum.
I think its a photo shop illustration but I'd buy this in an instant.

Not much different than mine. I'd feel like I have two of the same.

[Turin]

I say no to a paper Tiger LeMans

[Kev m]

I say no to a paper Tiger LeMans

 

[Huzo]

I say no to a paper Tiger LeMans

Don’t let the misty memories of the past overcome you.
It would hand an original one it’s own arse.

[Huzo]

Seems to me that the 850 displacement of the V7 presents an absolutely ideal opportunity to bring out a full on homage tribute to the original Lemans.
But why don't they do it.

Dunno mate, but maybe the brains trust in the “Why won’t they do it” post will explain all.
I just bumped it for you.

[Huzo]

Have patients young grasshoppers.

Don’t they have some in the infirmary ?

[Tusayan]

Triumph prove it works with their hugely successful Bonneville and I'm sure Guzzi must be aware of the iconic status of the original Lemans so why not capitalise on it.

Because Piaggio still has just the slightest morsel of good taste remaining, even after whoring Guzzi out with the small block (not a) V7 series?  That would be one good reason to avoid making another retro cartoon bike

[Huzo]

Because Piaggio still has just the slightest morsel of good taste remaining, even after whoring Guzzi out with the small block (not a) V7 series?  That would be one good reason to avoid making another retro cartoon bike

Well, build it with proper componentry and price it accordingly.
I’ve spent 10 grand on my V85 since I bought it. If Guzzi had built it in the guise it is now, it would owe me a lot less than it currently does.
Ohlins front end, twin front discs would be a start.

[Turin]

Don’t let the misty memories of the past overcome you.
It would hand an original one it’s own arse.

I don't doubt it. IMO it should be at least as quick as the last guzzi to wear the LeMans badge.

[oldbike54]

 That's enough fellas .

 Dusty

[andyals]

Does Moto Guzzi want to make a beautiful bike I would stop to look at? Or does Moto Guzzi want to make a bike I would buy to ride?

BOTH

[LowRyter]

Smallblock LeMans?  uhm, no. 

[andyals]

Smallblock LeMans?  uhm, no.

Original Lemans
Max power 73bhp @ 7,700rpm
Max Torque 56ft lb @ 6,600rpm
Dry weight 215kg

New V85TT
Max Power 79bhp @ 7,750 rpm
Max Torque 59ft lb @ 5000 rpm
Dry weight 208kg

[Huzo]

Original Lemans
Max power 73bhp @ 7,700rpm
Max Torque 56ft lb @ 6,600rpm
Dry weight 215kg

New V85TT
Max Power 79bhp @ 7,750 rpm
Max Torque 59ft lb @ 5000 rpm
Dry weight 208kg

[Dirk_S]

Original Lemans
Max power 73bhp @ 7,700rpm
Max Torque 56ft lb @ 6,600rpm
Dry weight 215kg

New V85TT
Max Power 79bhp @ 7,750 rpm
Max Torque 59ft lb @ 5000 rpm
Dry weight 208kg

Motorcyclespecs.za shows the original Le Mans getting 80 hp.

[guzzisteve]

Just to be fair, those #'s don't mean poop. If I FI my LM3, I'll race that 850, even w/my 36mm PHF's. I guarantee you'll loose your bottom end chasing me.

[andyals]

Just to be fair, those #'s don't mean poop. If I FI my LM3, I'll race that 850, even w/my 36mm PHF's. I guarantee you'll loose your bottom end chasing me.

To be fair those numbers mean a lot because they prove that the current 850 engine is pretty much on par with the early Lemans.
Put it in a more sporting format with decent suspension with less weight and I doubt there's much much in it.

[LowRyter]

Original Lemans
Max power 73bhp @ 7,700rpm
Max Torque 56ft lb @ 6,600rpm
Dry weight 215kg

New V85TT
Max Power 79bhp @ 7,750 rpm
Max Torque 59ft lb @ 5000 rpm
Dry weight 208kg

I've never ridden an original LeMans.  However, I own a V11 and ridden the V85TT. 

[Huzo]

Just to be fair, those #'s don't mean poop. If I FI my LM3, I'll race that 850, even w/my 36mm PHF's. I guarantee you'll loose your bottom end chasing me.

Yes Steve accept for one glaring detail..
You haven’t FI’d your LM3 and God (and you) only knows what wizardry you have performed on your #3 and do you expect to be able to operate your bike at V85 beating levels long enough to see the new one blow up ?
I THINK the point was/is, that although we all remember how good our lives were back when the first Le Mans hit the showroom floors, going back now and riding one in today’s world is like spending the night with your first girlfriend again..
You have to overlook a fair few things..(and so does she..)
I gave my Mk2 the arse because although it was ok by today’s standards, it had no brakes, no suspension, no power and steered like the Exxon Valdez...again, other than that it was really good.

[kirkemon]

Here, with a belly spoiler:
https://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/fast-endurance/

[guzzisteve]

It's about in line w/a current 450. Aprillia 450/550 V had 80 along w/most currant 450's
The Ape V4 sideways w/driveshaft would be nicely rebadged for the next LeMans. It has to be faster than V11 LeMans, that would be progression instead of insult.

[Groover]

One direction I thought was good for a new/old lemans is this one:


http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/pictures/moto-guzzi-le-mans-850/#.YA4LNKQ8IlQ

https://www.facebook.com/HOADenDuvel/videos/209992743207482/

Then one of our own WG-ista here doing a 1400 conversion to an MKIV SE. Ultimately I think a fat and beefy LM1000 remake would be what I'd like to see, duck tail and all.

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=108967.0