Author Topic: Sailing (Read 2614 times)

Kiwi_Roy · « **on:** January 28, 2021, 10:10:16 PM »

Anyone watching the racing in Auckland.Currwntly American Magic and Luna Rosa competing for the chance to go up against the Kiwi boat.
Really spectacular to see those craft zipping along at 50 Knots on one foil and a tiny rudder.
https://www.americascup.com/en/live

Tom H · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2021, 10:41:57 PM »

I watched a little bit. Amazing how those sail boats work.

Tom

Muzz · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2021, 12:13:02 AM »

It's exciting stuff Roy. One false move and it can be all over Rover. Drop off the foil in light wind and you are doing 5 knots for quite a time.

A huge lead can go to a deficit in the wink of an eye.

Lovely picture of a "band aid" showing the team flags on the bow of American Magic, thanking all the other teams for pitching in, not only to keep their boat afloat but for enabling them to get back out on the racing circuit. That was a real (and sadly rare) demonstration of true sportsmanship.

tris · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2021, 04:16:01 AM »

Thanks Roy - I forgot that was on

40Kt sailboats are scary fast!

s1120 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2021, 04:37:10 AM »

I used to watch the races years ago, but forgot it was runniing. The new boats are crazy!!!! They sure are fast!! I tell you there is nothing like the grace of a J class though!!

j.davis · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2021, 04:52:40 AM »

US boat will need some attention to its rudder by the looks, lost its function twice in todays races, and do they go.

tris · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2021, 07:51:11 AM »

Quote from: s1120 on January 29, 2021, 04:37:10 AM

I used to watch the races years ago, but forgot it was runniing. The new boats are crazy!!!! They sure are fast!! I tell you there is nothing like the grace of a J class though!!

Mhhh J Class

Endeavour or Velsheda, I think used to have a mud berth on the Itchen River just up from the shipyard where I used to work. Very cool

larrys · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2021, 09:17:01 AM »

I have been watching. The video of American Magic wiping out in a gybe looked effing scary! The Brits look very fast!
There are a collection of 12 Meter boats in Newport, RI over by Fort Adams. They are available for day charters. The yacht club that I belonged to and two other clubs chartered four of them and we raced them. Small jib and no chutes, though. Simple windward/leeward course. I sailed aboard Columbia. Weatherly and Intrepid also sailed. The fourth boat I forget. Each boat came with a skipper and two crew. We trimmed sails and called tactics. Some got to take the helm for a while. Awesome boats and terrific fun!
Larry

ozarquebus · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2021, 09:56:26 AM »

No more spinnakers or sail changes? It doesn't seem like it was that long ago the committees were arguing whether multihulls or lifting keels should be allowed. Granted, attempts to stifle innovation were to some extent political attempts to help USA maintain control. Now, it seems like ancient history compared compared to hydrofoil sailors. The lid is off for new tech and that the field is leveled for all who can afford to join the club.
Purists and Luddite sailors reportedly slightly displeased, but still watching.
Definitely more exciting to watch than before with the speed and slick graphics. INMHO, they should deprive the crews of so much electronic assistance and leave a little more up to the skippers seat of his pants and a stopwatch.

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ampm7 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2021, 10:29:44 AM »

When you stand next to Endeavor it is very impressive. The big cats are fantastic and so are the French tri's and with the foils even better. I used to wake up in the morning on my sailboat while anchored in San Diego bay and there would be Dennis Conner on his wing cat and his 12 meter "Stars and Stripes" zipping by. I never met Dennis but I ate at his deli on Scott st. I do miss being on the water after 25 years... My last boat Lightnin' formerly campaigned by Ted Turner. I brought it back from the dead by finding it in a field in Oregon trucking it to California and restoring it in the boatyard where I used to work. Only 2 days off in 9 months, whew! Second picture is aboard a buddies 95' gaff rigged schooner in the Schooner Cup off of San Diego. I do miss it all and most of all the Caribbean!

kidsmoke · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2021, 10:33:03 AM »

did someone say sailing?

These new craft are extraordinary.

n3303j · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2021, 10:40:36 AM »

Innovation (with limits). The Kiwis used stationary bicycles for their grinders in the last iteration of the race. That got outlawed by "the board". Surprising bit of racing. The British absolutely sucked during the Christmas rounds and couldn't get their hardware to perform. This round they soundly trounced everyone they ran against.

sdcr · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2021, 12:15:00 PM »

Nice boat. Sailing is the one pastime that I enjoy, as much as motorcycling.

Quote from: ampm7 on January 29, 2021, 10:29:44 AM

When you stand next to Endeavor it is very impressive. The big cats are fantastic and so are the French tri's and with the foils even better. I used to wake up in the morning on my sailboat while anchored in San Diego bay and there would be Dennis Conner on his wing cat and his 12 meter "Stars and Stripes" zipping by. I never met Dennis but I ate at his deli on Scott st. I do miss being on the water after 25 years... My last boat Lightnin' formerly campaigned by Ted Turner. I brought it back from the dead by finding it in a field in Oregon trucking it to California and restoring it in the boatyard where I used to work. Only 2 days off in 9 months, whew! Second picture is aboard a buddies 95' gaff rigged schooner in the Schooner Cup off of San Diego. I do miss it all and most of all the Caribbean!

ampm7 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2021, 02:27:33 PM »

Same here sdcr but my bad concerning the new designs as they are not multihulls but monos with foils. I haven't been following it as much as I did in the past.

Muzz · « **Reply #14 on:** January 29, 2021, 04:07:31 PM »

The foils have spawned a whole new offshoot in water sports.

Foiling windsurfers seem to be happening. To my untrained eye things could go really bad really fast!

Muzz · « **Reply #15 on:** January 29, 2021, 04:13:09 PM »

Quote from: ozarquebus on January 29, 2021, 09:56:26 AM

Definitely more exciting to watch than before with the speed and slick graphics. INMHO, they should deprive the crews of so much electronic assistance and leave a little more up to the skippers seat of his pants and a stopwatch.

I don't think the human brain would be fast enough. Looking at the side-on views there seems to be a hairline difference between using the ground effect on the hull and getting the hull smacked by a wave and dropping off the foils. I believe that the action side of the foil is on the leading edge rather than the trailing edge; quicker response for both good and bad!

Muzz · « **Reply #16 on:** January 29, 2021, 04:18:10 PM »

Quote from: j.davis on January 29, 2021, 04:52:40 AM

US boat will need some attention to its rudder by the looks, lost its function twice in todays races, and do they go.

Yeah, looking at the replay, they had problems.

All their electronics and wiring had a good soaking in salt water of course. Just how much of it they have replaced is unknown but salt water and electronics are not a good mix. It certainly seemed that in a couple of instances at least it definitely was not operator error.

n3303j · « **Reply #17 on:** January 29, 2021, 05:17:48 PM »

Crash review said they replaced all the electronics as well as hull patch. Sounds like they have a backup boat and it was stripped for electronics and structural parts.

Kiwi_Roy · « **Reply #18 on:** January 29, 2021, 08:52:16 PM »

The Italian boat just took race 3, the New York Club have just one more chance in the next little while.
https://www.americascup.com/en/live

Update
Unfortunately American Magic suffered from an apparent electrical malfunction with their foil deployment, probably as a result of the capsize a week ago, its surprising they don't have a mechanical backup for what must be a hydraulic system.
It will be exiting to watch the Italians and British duke it out in two weeks time.
Great to see that the crowds can gather in relative safety without masking up.

Darren Williams · « **Reply #19 on:** January 30, 2021, 06:34:53 AM »

I can't help it any longer. I just have to say it and get it off my chest.

While these new foiling boats are amazing, I much prefer a displacement hull with std fixed keel for match racing. The dial up pre-start is just a timing thing now, where aggressive engagement to draw a foul or get leverage and prevent your competition from entering the box or OCS is a thing of the past for the America's Cup. Then the windward/leeward course is over so fast, it's almost anti-climatic. For me anyways.

Our Club runs a match race series using J22's or 24's, and even our level put on some exciting matches that were more fun to watch.

I'm fine with the tech in RTW racing, like the VOR 70's, with canting keels and retracting boards. I loved following that series. It seemed to have everything, boat handling, sail choice and course tactics.

s1120 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 30, 2021, 06:53:56 AM »

Quote from: tris on January 29, 2021, 07:51:11 AM

Mhhh J Class

Endeavour or Velsheda, I think used to have a mud berth on the Itchen River just up from the shipyard where I used to work. Very cool

I had a chance to see the ... Remade? copy? clone? what ever you want to call it of the J5 Ranger. I was on a ferry coming into Nantucket Mass, and this big sail boat is up ahead coming towards up.. Came right up along side us as they passed, and really it was one of the most impressive things ive seen on the water.. Not a line [design or cordage] out of place, not a ripple of wake, or sound.. just pure grace.. it was really something beautiful.

larrys · « **Reply #21 on:** January 30, 2021, 09:09:29 AM »

Old article, but a cool read; https://www.wbur.org/news/2017/08/24/newport-j-class-world-championship
Larry

QuattroValvole · « **Reply #22 on:** January 30, 2021, 04:17:09 PM »

My all time favorite televised sailboat race, 2012 Olympic Laser class.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bngGgqdtVg

Tom · « **Reply #23 on:** January 31, 2021, 01:23:58 PM »

The Polynesian Voyaging Society out here revived sailing canoes in Hawaiian water. Navigation is by the stars. No GPS/sat phones etc.

http://www.hokulea.com/worldwide-voyage/

larrys · « **Reply #24 on:** January 31, 2021, 03:09:16 PM »

I campaigned and was part owner of one of these; https://atlanticclass.org/. They are the ballerinas of racing sailing. The club I belonged to had a fleet of eight. A141 was sold to a couple guys in Maine, where she sails today.
Larry

ampm7 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2021, 04:57:34 PM »

Ah, the sailing days...I would like to say that motorcycling has something in common with sailing. The wind in your face, momentum, new horizons, places to explore and most important, it is the journey not the destination...But it is the destination after some grueling travel that makes it so rewarding. Just a little footnote, when we were in a squall nearing Jost Van Dyke, Ticonderoga past us like we were sitting still! I later met up with Big Ty in Spanish Landing Virgin Gorda and had to take the dinghy over as we were anchored right next to each other. That has got to be one of the most beautiful boats (among many) and the crew were very appreciative of my many complements. 72' overall and a 67' waterline...L.Franc is Herreshoff... A Fellows and Stewart 44 (49.5' overall) that I sailed and restored over a 4 year period. Unfortunately, the only photo I have of her. Pacifica...

sdcr · « **Reply #26 on:** January 31, 2021, 07:19:59 PM »

Larry’s,

Great pictures of beautiful rigs. You can almost feel the speed that those spinnakers make in full wind.

Quote from: larrys on January 31, 2021, 03:09:16 PM

I campaigned and was part owner of one of these; https://atlanticclass.org/. They are the ballerinas of racing sailing. The club I belonged to had a fleet of eight. A141 was sold to a couple guys in Maine, where she sails today.
Larry

larrys · « **Reply #27 on:** February 01, 2021, 08:53:43 AM »

Quote from: sdcr on January 31, 2021, 07:19:59 PM

Larry’s,

Great pictures of beautiful rigs. You can almost feel the speed that those spinnakers make in ull wind.

You'll like this old girl, too. http://doris1905.com/. And this one. https://www.windcheckmagazine.com/article/the_schooner_yacht_brilliant/ Both are local to me. Doris is the largest wooden yacht designed and built at the Herreshoff yard in Bristol, RI. I visit the yard where she's now being restored regularly to see how she is progressing. Wasn't much left of her but a bare hull. David Snediker told me that restoring a vessel is like building a new boat, with the old one squarely in the way.
Larry

Muzz · « **Reply #28 on:** February 01, 2021, 02:53:12 PM »

This boat "Rainbow" built I believe around 1988.

Was she moored at Nelson Roy when you were there? Just a most beautiful and graceful boat.

https://www.facebook.com/a7rainbow/photos/3357425884270490

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Author Topic: Sailing (Read 2614 times)