HD PanAmerican specs revealed

[tommy2cyl]

Just watched MotoBob's video on the HDPA.  Gotta say I am a little shocked. Specs across the board seem well inline with other offerings from BMW, KTM, Ducati.  Pretty cool design on 3 part frame, VVT,  adaptive suspension, cruise, touch screen, 5 ride modes, etc.  Of course, timing is everything, and it seems the market is moving to middle weight adventure bikes, but there is still a large contingent that like bigger adventure bikes.  HD certainly has the dealer network to support this offering but it will need it's employees to embrace this much better than it did with Buell.  Hopefully lesson learned. The front cowl doesn't offend as much as when I first saw it.  Still not attractive to me, but neither is a lot of KTM insect designs. Gotta give them credit for going their own way.  The responses in the comments section of MotoBob's video seem quite positive. 

[Kev m]

~560# and 150 hp - there are a lot of red faces at ADV rider.

[Dirk_S]

Prefacing the following by noting that I respect Harley for its history, but avoid the brand for its staleness along with the attitude of much of its rider base.

Big kudos deserved to Harley for getting this out there. Looks-wise, at least it's different. I like the looks-- if it's going to be beefy, it might as well LOOK beefy, and it definitely looks like a beefcake. It has a bit of that "don't mess with me" attitude that Harley owners oh so love. For my capabilities and desire, it's much too big and too expensive, but Harley isn't making this for me. Folks who say it's too expensive should look at the other class leaders' prices. Then remember that more and more riders with money are looking to play in the backyard with their toys. I mean, look what Jeep's been for years now. And I know-- "But Harley isn't a class leader". Truth, but such is also the price for American-made. We're an expensive labor force.

The fact that they came up with the suspension lift tech has me saying "Dang Harley, I didn't think you had it in you."

Now. Specs and features aside, we need to see how it actually rides. Video makes it look fun, but I certainly wouldn't want to drop that pricey porker.

[kingoffleece]

Wouldn't want to drop any of those 20K plus bikes no matter who made them.

[twowheeladdict]

~560# and 150 hp - there are a lot of red faces at ADV rider.

 

But many are still taking a wait and see.

I read "on paper" a lot.

There are guys on the Road Glide forum who have already reserved one.  We think with the fixed fairing we may informally make it part of the shark nose family.

[Kev m]

Oh, and hydraulic lifters - no valve checks!

Not only does it have tubeless spoke wheels, but the spokes can be replaced without breaking down the wheel.

This type of bike (even just a WC motor) is not my cuppa jo, but I have to say there's a lot to like about it.

I really hope it does well and opens the door for Harley to FINALLY branch out. Other bikes built around this modular motor as stressed member platform would be a nice addition to Harley's old world bikes.

[lucian]

And a face only a mother could love

[Dirk_S]

And a face only a mother could love

Maybe they're echoing the 'dog owner looks like its dog' adage. Statistically speaking, Americans aren't known for being svelte of face 

[twowheeladdict]

Owners manual is online and service intervals look good.  Pretty much just oil changes and inspections.

I could see replacing my Road Glide with this one day when it has proven itself to the world. 

[twowheeladdict]

And a face only a mother could love

You could say that about most adventure bike designs.  The V85TT is the exception.

[Kev m]

You could say that about all adventure bike designs.  The V85TT isn't really an exception.

I fixed that for you.

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

And a face only a mother could love

Ugly bike for sure, it gives me vibes like when people buy a dual sport and put a big white Acerbis tank on it that doesnt match the rest of the bike... But it comes like that from the factory?

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Alternatively, it looks like this on wheels!

[twowheeladdict]

I fixed that for you.

LOL!

[twowheeladdict]

Most of the non "Harley Haters". find their cruiser's looks appealing. 

Personally, I'll take performance over looks.  Function over form. 

When that bike brings you to an amazing Vista that few see in person the looks will grow on you.

Also, in my experience, in person, and views on the screen can differ.

[lucian]

I fixed that for you.

Yeh ,  that was good.  Another day started out with a laugh, thanks Kev.

[JJ]

And a face only a mother could love

560 pounds?!?

Imagine dropping this over on it's side on some remote mountain trail?!?  YIKES!!

[Dave Swanson]

I like the Pan American a lot, and I hope Harley sells a s$#@ ton of them! 

My riding buddy who owns a Triumph X1200E Scrambler wants me to sell my Milwaukee Road Sofa and buy one.   

[Dirk_S]

560 pounds?!?

Imagine dropping this over on it's side on some remote mountain trail?!?  YIKES!!

Very true, but I suspect only folks like Bret Tkacs and his YouTube followers would be attempting that. Weight-wise, it’s right there with the 1250 GS — if not a little lighter and a little more powerful. more of a world adventurer a la McGregor/Boorman than a backwoods adventurer.

[Dirk_S]

Alternatively, it looks like this on wheels!

The prototype that erased the competition.

[tommy2cyl]

I think the bike looks better in all black.  The irony is it costs extra to get the white/orange combo which just assaults my sensibilities.

[Chuck in Indiana]

It could be uglier.







Somehow.

[Kev m]

560 pounds?!?

Imagine dropping this over on it's side on some remote mountain trail?!?  YIKES!!

As opposed to ever other ADV bike in that 1200ccish segment?

These are all ADV touring bikes, not remote mountain trail bikes (though some people will do that too).

I will never forget the time that at the Damn Yankee Beemer Rally (Goose being the invited redheaded stepchild) when the off-road handling competition started and the one guy attempted to jump his R1200GS over some obstacles only to crash FULL ON into/through a porta-potty. Best thing ever!

[blackcat]

It's not a bad looking bike from the side and of course it's just as ugly from the front as the first GS but I'm guessing those lights are probably quite substantial on the PA.



The HD paint is only an extra $325 bucks, but the lowering option will cost another $1,000 bucks.  Consider it a deal compared to having to get it serviced for valve adjustments.

[BrotherJim]

CW "First Look" review and comments are mostly positive.  I'm not a $20K motorcycle kind of guy, and I've already got some "eye of the beholder" bikes.  I'd certainly love to ride one and hope that this machine can breathe some life into The Motor Company.  If it does, we will more than likely see some of the other offerings like the Bronx, Tracker and possible Sporty replacement.  I wish them luck!

[bettythebear]

I'm not a potential customer for it (considering I've decided I don't need a Stelvio sized bike anymore), but I think it is a pretty awesome offering. The only downside is the chain, lol. I actually think that having the option for both spoked and alloy wheels is an excellent choice. Do paved touring only? Just go for the alloys, easy peasy.

[guzzisteve]

Fairing looks like a tractor fender.

[Kev m]

The HD paint is only an extra $325 bucks, but the lowering option will cost another $1,000 bucks.  Consider it a deal compared to having to get it serviced for valve adjustments.

Unless you meant that as to say "compared to models from other OEMs that require valve adjustments" (as I can read your sentence either way, depending on context).

But just in case to be clear, again, NO VALVE ADJUSTMENTS - Hydraulic roller lifters.

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/2021-harley-davidson-pan-america-1250-first-look/

"Because this is a Harley-Davidson, it cannot have valve noise or require valve adjustments (service interval is 5,000 miles). Therefore its roller finger cam followers have hydraulic clearance adjusters. Cams are chain-driven."

[Rough Edge racing]

 what everyone needs, another 560 pound  backroad touring bike that looks like a  jukebox...But the engine specs are a revelation for Harley..

[hauto]

This is what it reminds me of.Hope it sells for them. That swing arm looks sooo long.Must have one beefy spring or some big loads on the linkage. Like to see how the suspension lowering system works.