NEW Model Spy Pics: topic merged

[Chuck in Indiana]

I would look good on it.. 

[Snowman]

Lets all calm down, some of you are acting like the day you saw puppies for the first time. 

[yogidozer]

Easy snowman.

[Huzo]

Looks a bit BMW R1100S in the fairing styling cue and the rear bevelbox looks R1200 GS.
If Dan wasn’t a moderator, I could have some fun with this one...

[yogidozer]

Sorry Dusty. Should have realized the heat makes Snowmen have a meltdown 

[Huzo]

Fascinating!  Thanks for posting the link!  I can't wait to see one of these machines in person.  Though.... "The new engine will no longer have the intake behind the cylinder and the exhaust in front, but the first in the center of the V and the exhaust manifolds that will come out on the outside of the cylinders," seems somewhat... different...

Motus.

[Dirk_S]

Fascinating!  Thanks for posting the link!  I can't wait to see one of these machines in person.  Though.... "The new engine will no longer have the intake behind the cylinder and the exhaust in front, but the first in the center of the V and the exhaust manifolds that will come out on the outside of the cylinders," seems somewhat... different...

The Honda CX500’s intake and exhaust were similar, if I’m understanding the verbiage correctly:




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FOLKS! MOTO GUZZI HAS COME FULL CIRCLE AND IS MAKING A HONDA CX500. WHAT’S OLD IS NEW!

[bad Chad]

Uh , come on fellas , let's not .

 Dusty

It's kind of cute.  You can take the Moderator out of moderation, but you can't quite squeeze all the Moderation out of the former moderator.

[bad Chad]

I think it has great potential.  I hope it's different enough from other bikes on the market to keep it Guzzi, in a good way.

I doubt I will ever own one, (but I have said bs like that before) as I really love air cooled motors when it comes to M/Cs.   I have had liquid cooled bikes before, and they worked just fine, it's just I really like the elemental notion of air cooling.   But I hope this thing is big time cool!

Should we start pissing and moaning how 110/120/130 horsepower isn't enough?  Or should we start bitching about, "those lying SOBs, there is no way that thing is making X=HP!   Either one is a staple upon to Guzzi intros, could one hope for less bitching on this one, I for one do!

[bad Chad]

Nothing wrong with promoting good manners!

[yogidozer]

I believe the truth is, it's all about sales.
They think this bike will sell, and water cooling will justify price increase.
For 99% of us our current rides have all the power we'll use.
Most would choose an older classic in brand new condition, 0 miles, than a 2021 model.
I know I would.

[yogidozer]

A retired bear is still a bear , or something like that 

 TS

Grizzly Adams?



holly springs elementary school

[elrealistico]

We'll see when it actually is for sale to the general buying public. As some have speculated there may be a whole line up of bikes using this engine coming up. I'll not be an early adopter, I think there will be some significant kinks to work out with the new powerplant, since it's a completely new one.
Hard to tell from the one pic, but I kinda like the styling, I could see a naked version close on the heels, a new cruiser maybe a tourer as well. No need to cannibalize the V85 & V7 850 sales by adding ADV and std to the line ...yet

[Xlratr]

I believe the truth is, it's all about sales.
They think this bike will sell, and water cooling will justify price increase.

You really believe they made it water cooled just so they can charge a higher price?

Most would choose an older classic in brand new condition, 0 miles, than a 2021 model.

Where is this supply of older classics in brand new condition with zero miles? Sounds nice!

[yogidozer]

John, what I'm saying is it would be tough to increase a price w/o a reason.
And I didn't say the older models were available, but IF THEY WERE most would choose them.
Even if they didn't have water coolng....stereo tape...and a color TV....back seat bar...reclining seats
Oh that Johnny Cash, never forget him 

[LowRyter]

I'd hope it looks as nice as any spineframe bike.  So far, hard to tell.

[DesertPilot]

That also give them more room for the radiator. Last thing you want is a over heating water cool bike.

Ah ha!  Good point!  Thanks!

It should be an interesting machine.  And I will need a second bike after She Who Must Be Obeyed takes over the Ducati... 

[Huzo]

Probably closer to a Golden Retriever than a bear 

 TS

He looks like Santa, but where are the claus..?

[Ncdan]

Now that the spill on isle #7 is cleaned up, let’s get back to the new, possible, water logged Moto Guzzi🤔👍

Dan

[Huzo]

Now that the spill on isle #7 is cleaned up, let’s get back to the new, possible, water logged Moto Guzzi🤔👍

Dan

Ok,
I’ll have one in........RED !

[Dirk_S]

My V7 becomes a water-cooled bike when I ride in the rain during summer.

[GuzziOrDeath]

The whiners (I'm talking to you yogidozer) should look at the Euro 6 standards. It's basically the end of air cooled engines. The Regs are so tight, not even the SAS emissions cheat that Guzzi use now with the air cooled bikes will work. It gets worse. The new ECU's and software powered dash will know when you fart while riding. It's the end of remapping and Harry Home-Tune.

I wish they'd brought out an electric bike. The E100 would get my interest.

[yogidozer]

The whiners (I'm talking to you yogidozer) should look at the Euro 6 standards. It's basically the end of air cooled engines. The Regs are so tight, not even the SAS emissions cheat that Guzzi use now with the air cooled bikes will work. It gets worse. The new ECU's and software powered dash will know when you fart while riding. It's the end of remapping and Harry Home-Tune.

I wish they'd brought out an electric bike. The E100 would get my interest.

Sounds like you're the one crying.
Here's something your style. No battery needed.

[Muzz]

look at the Euro 6 standards. It's basically the end of air cooled engines. The Regs are so tight, not even the SAS emissions cheat that Guzzi use now with the air cooled bikes will work. It gets worse. The new ECU's and software powered dash will know when you fart while riding. It's the end of remapping and Harry Home-Tune.

The emission regs are the killer.  Air cooled = simple.  In order now to meet the regs it is basically impossible with an air cooled engine because of;
(a) motor noise.  They are simply to noisy mechanically to pass the latest regs. 
(b) In order to meet the very tight gas emissions the tolerances inside the engine need to be very tight, so tight that the temperature control of an aircooled engine is just not up to it.  In order to maintain those tight tolerances the motor now must be liquid cooled.

I was amazed that Guzzi got the V85 through with air cooling.  Just not possible now.

The reference to the CX 500 is not really comparing apples with apples.  It may have been 4 valve but it was a pushrod, not OHC.  Thinking people may ask, why did Honda use a pushrod configuration when all their other bikes were OHC?  Now try and work out how to get an OHC configuration to have direct valve operation on the usual Guzzi configuration?  Even the 8 valvers have little pushrods to get it to work, and the motor is a hi-cam, not direct operation OHC.  Reciprocating parts take horsepower, and it is all about efficiency.  Spin the camshaft in the same plane as the crankshaft and suddenly things become a lot simpler mechanically, which I suspect is why they have the pipes coming from the side (if that part of the information is correct).

[GuzziOrDeath]

Sounds like you're the one crying.
Here's something your style. No battery needed.

That's no good. Yellow doesn't do it for me. I like Orange.

[GuzziOrDeath]

Griso

[blu guzz]

i am looking forward to see what they achieve.  with big brother Aprilia to help, i am sure the task is not too daunting. unfortunately for me, it really kills one of the big drawing card for me, the simple air cooled engine.  MG's have some unique features and I feel that for many of us, the loss of aircooling will be a deal breaker.  oto, at my age, i probably won't need any more new bikes and there will be used aircooled ones around for at least as long as I am riding.

[hauto]

On a sport touring MC I'm on board with liquid cooling. I have a V85 and enjoy exploring off road. In that type of use I lean toward a air cooled bike. Having said that pretty much all modern dirt bikes a water cooled and have no problem with slow going off road.I only hope they did some real world testing on this new motor besides a test bench.

[DougG]

It's an obvious UFO picture...tantalizi ng, and just blurry enough to encourage speculation...

Be well, stay well,
DougG

[rocker59]

Yay! New fodder for a merged threadfest!

It's been awhile.

Impressed that we're seeing a liquid cooled 1000cc DOHC engine!  A development of the old VA10 prototype,  perhaps?