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[Unkept]

I came back to say I love it. I hope to be able to afford it one day.

And to say, Chuck would look good on that. 

Looks like it has some 80's Guzzi styling mixed with Norge in its DNA, to me.

Oh, and I hope they keep the drivetrain silver. I missed silver, it's been all black for too long.

[Shorty]

Anyone think it looks like previous prototypes?  Anyone got a picture of the IGGYProtto or whatever it was?

[bad Chad]

Anyone think it looks like previous prototypes?  Anyone got a picture of the IGGYProtto or whatever it was?

Do you mean the Ippogrifo?   If so, you are needing better glasses.

[Bulldog9]

This is good news all around, and glad to see Guzzi is making the investment in their future. Will be interesting to see how things develop with the air cooled models.

I've had several watercooled bikes, all were IL4's (Concours & FJR). I far prefer aircooled, but am interested to see where this motor goes and if the tighter tolerances allowed by watercooling (and required to meet emissions) robs character. Hopefully they keep the same crank and firing.

Also looks like this will be a range of bikes. Excited to see where this leads.

[AaronH]

I like this new model based on the few photos available.  The front fairing/headlight design and instrument panel will be interesting to see.  Like Unkempt, I like the silver drivetrain, and the wheels and valve covers almost have a subtle gold color change which I also like.  The intake manifold relocation looks like it might allow for a narrower seat, which could help make models with this engine appealing to shorter riders.  I love air-cooled simplicity, but I think this water cooled engine will have apeal beyond increased power output and emissions compliance.  I don't see the cam galleries at the aft end of the valve cover base, so maybe this will still be a high cam engine, which I'd prefer for serviceability vs. a shim-in-bucket OHC design.

The single sided swingarm looks great, and it almost looks like it's going to have the exhaust centered under the engine with a right-facing outlet.  I love my V7III and EV, but it's good to see Moto Guzzi making something like this.  I like the V85 (especially the engine), but dual sports aren't my thing, and this is a nice, different direction relative to current Guzzis that is likely to be something I'll want to buy.  I'm excited to learn more about it.  It's main competition, for me, would be a lower ride height model with the V85 engine at the V85's output level... maybe an Ohlins-supended version of the V7 850 with V85 engine.

[Tusayan]

The emission regs are the killer.

Emissions compliance has less to do with liquid cooling and ‘tolerances’ than it does with combustion control needing small cylinder bore and thereby small combustion chamber size.  If you then extract a lot of power out of a small bore engine, liquid cooling is an asset because it won’t overheat at max power.  Conversely if you don’t mind a bit less peak power, a small bore engine can be air cooled and will make about the same emissions as the same bore liquid cooled cylinder that to make more power has cam boxes, chain enclosures etc preventing effective air cooling design.  That’s why the emissions complaint air cooled V85TT is (1) relatively small displacement (2) modest in power output and (3) pushrod versus OHC.  It’s a little more difficult because (counter intuitively) the air cooled cylinder runs relatively cooler most of the time but with Nikasil cylinders etc the piston/cylinder clearance is still very tight so that’s not the driving factor.

If you want more displacement (and power) with small bore air cooled cylinders, you need more of them and that is also hard to configure in an effectively cooled way.  Maybe a radial air cooled 5 cylinder engine is the right answer, Carlo Guzzi might’ve tried it, he tried everything else 

A lot of factors are interwoven but the supposed ‘need’ for liquid cooling is really all about power.  I don’t think the V85TT engine and its brethren are going out of production due to evolving emissions laws, but they will continue to make modest power matched to the platforms they propel.  I happen to think that type of motorcycle is more attractive.

Guzzi engine design and development is BTW done by Piaggio in Pontedera, an acquaintance works there, doing that.  Aprilia is a another relatively small Piaggio subsidiary, like Guzzi.  This engine was designed and tested by the late Federico Martini and company at Piaggio before he died in 2014, and was pulled out more recently for manufacture.

[inditx]

Great!
I’ll wait on an “R" series Beemer or the new 850 or an “old" 1400 now.
Seriously, I am interested.
Hats off for the 850, the V85, my lovable V9 and.......
 
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[Shorty]

Do you mean the Ippogrifo?   If so, you are needing better glasses.

My mistake. I looked at the net photos of the ippogrifo and this popped up: 

I remember guys on WG bitching because they could not buy one. So, did they make that bike and just not sell it here? Or was it a prototype that never saw production?

[Advguz]

Hopefully they'll make an adventure model with that motor
 

[Chuck in Indiana]

I came back to say I love it. I hope to be able to afford it one day.

And to say, Chuck would look good on that. 

Looks like it has some 80's Guzzi styling mixed with Norge in its DNA, to me.

Oh, and I hope they keep the drivetrain silver. I missed silver, it's been all black for too long.

Hiya, Joe! Hope things are going well, and yes..you, too would look good on it. 

[sidecarnutz]

Looks a lot like an 80's Cagiva 650 but larger.

[GuzziOrDeath]

My mistake. I looked at the net photos of the ippogrifo and this popped up: 

I remember guys on WG bitching because they could not buy one. So, did they make that bike and just not sell it here? Or was it a prototype that never saw production?

That's one of Oberdan Bezzi's fantasy's. There are heaps of non-existent Guzzi pics floating around the internet that's he photoshopped out of thin air. Some people lap it up and demand to know when and where they can buy one. They don't (and never will) exist.

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

My mistake. I looked at the net photos of the ippogrifo and this popped up: 

I remember guys on WG bitching because they could not buy one. So, did they make that bike and just not sell it here? Or was it a prototype that never saw production?

The real (stillborn) Ippogrifo.

[janguzzi]

(Source: http://forum.animaguzzista.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=59418&start=800)

[LowRyter]

uuuh

[Matteo]

The photos come from Moto.it, an Italian publication that usually has its ear to the ground on this sort of thing. Indeed, after running an initial spy shot, Moto.it acquired a second set of spy snaps, which you can see here.
https://canadamotoguide.com/2021/08/30/expect-a-moto-guzzi-v100-sport-tourer-soon/

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

The photos come from Moto.it, an Italian publication that usually has its ear to the ground on this sort of thing. Indeed, after running an initial spy shot, Moto.it acquired a second set of spy snaps, which you can see here.
https://canadamotoguide.com/2021/08/30/expect-a-moto-guzzi-v100-sport-tourer-soon/

Miguel Galluzi also posted this pic on his personal instagram page FWIW

[Off @ 90]

Quote "As on the old Honda CX500, the gearbox of Moto Guzzi's new liquid-cooled V-Twin will rotate in the opposite direction of the crankshaft to kill the torque reaction generated by any motorcycle engine with a longitudinal crank."
This sounds like BS to me. The gear box still has a single output shaft rotating in the opposite direction to crankshaft so now the torque is in the opposite direction and not killed at all .To eliminate torque about the longditudinal axis  I think you would need two contra rotating shafts which is not practical on a motorcycle  of course . But is on helicopters ,A/C and boats .

[Cam3512]

I don’t know what to think.  Mix of Centauro, 1100 Sport and Norge?  That’s a lotta plastic.

[rocker59]

uuuh

"derivative styling" would be an understatement, no?   

[rocker59]

I don’t know what to think.  Mix of Centauro, 1100 Sport and Norge?  That’s a lotta plastic.

I see Quota mixed with Yamaha mixed with a 2000 model Ducati, and an Aprilia in the woodpile.

Bleh!

[LowRyter]

"derivative styling" would be an understatement, no?   

Like a Honda but bland?

[bad Chad]

I encourage you visual line jumpers to hold your fire.  Wait until, at least, you can see the bike clearly before you start pissing all over it.

[guzziboy66]

I think that Hard Bags added to the rear will balance the look of the bike.  Can't wait to see it in person.

[LowRyter]

I encourage you visual line jumpers to hold your fire.  Wait until, at least, you can see the bike clearly before you start pissing all over it.

really?  you think there might be a reason that they don't show a clear photo?   

Just speculating   

[bad Chad]

Yes, dah, it’s called building anticipation.

You don’t want to show your full hand prior to the big reveal.

And if you do this, you better have something cool. If not, you’re gonna feel like Cadillac when the revealed the mighty Cimaron.

[TN Mark]

This isn't my style of bike but I think it looks great. I hope it's real and will come to market as a 2022 model.

Forza Moto Guzzi 

[flip]

Okay, with the heads rotated so that the intakes are in the inside of the V, how long until some crazy tuners in Italy or...slap a supercharger on that engine? 125-135+ rear wheel hp and maybe 90+ lb ft of torque? That could be interesting!

[Dimitri_Harkov]

I seem to recall that MG themselves have or at least had plans to put a supercharger on it.
So that might not be a coinicidence ;)

Cheers,
D.

[Dogwalker]

really?  you think there might be a reason that they don't show a clear photo?   

Just speculating   

Obviously there was a reason if they didn't. The bigger picture had been taken from less than 3m distance. No cellphone made in the last 10 years take so bad pictures. It had been intentionally blurred and probably edited.