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Good Lord, this thread is as tedious as the nonsense I fled over at the Enfield 650 forum How many foot pounds of torque can fit on the head of a pin? Is his bigger than mine, tell me now?
My Multi was the 1000 engine (with Termis), but I get it! In the two-fiddy dept., I also had (and loved) a Kawi Super Sherpa.I know the V7's torque won't be the relative tidal wave the Duc's was, I'm just hoping that what's there comes on and stays on!
^^^ThisI realize we're not talking about powerhouses in any of these bikes, but dynos suggest the Mk I and Mk II are pretty similar and the Mk III have a definite bump relative to them. That agrees with my experience with the feel on my Mk I vs my Mk III.I guess I still really like the feel on the Mk I, but I'm not sure I agree with the Stornello cult that I like it MORE.Then again, when the Stornello came out people talked about the map being different or the feel of the motor being different because of that exhaust. So who knows, maybe there is a difference between the Stornello and the rest of the V7s.
I know you don't agree with the footpeg thing either, but the seating position and relation on the V7iii and Stornello are also different enough to notice.
What's the difference in peg position between the II and III?There was a difference between the I and III, the latter being lower measured straight down from the rear of the tank/front of the seat to the peg. That's why I wound up adding drop pegs to the MkI.
I am reminded that when the V7III came out I went to test ride the V7II racer and the III stone, the first Guzzis I ever rode. I remember at the time thinking that the racer was a lot more fun to test ride, and I pretty much chalked it up to the riding position. But having learned more since I think it was also the engine and the lower end torque. As it happened I ended up finding a mark I racer elsewhere that I loved the looks of and got that instead, had it for about a year and ripped around happily on it. The sub-400 lb weight made up for lower hp I guess. But I decided my knees and back weren’t really made for a racer, and now I’m also pretty happy with my mark III stone, though it does feel less “peppy.”
When riding the Stornello and V7iii Special back to back, same boots, same day, on the V7iii, my feet were noticeably higher and forward compared to the Stornello where they were father back, lower not tucked under and beneath my hips, but clearly further back. Not huge, but clearly noticeable and less comfortable and preferable.
...My dad bought a new 78 R100/7. ...He took me in 1980 when I was 13 on an awsome tour from Chicago to Idaho, Northern Cal and everywhere in between. So there we were two up fully loaded, and I do mean fully loaded for M/C camping, and having fun. This was all done on a M/C that made about 60hp, I assume that was at the crank.We ran along at 75-80 when on the wide open flats, we went up the Rockies over Wolf Creek pass, around 11000 feet up, and on and on.
WOW! Ok, Bill and Kevin are the closest to what you needed to know. Having owned a 2015 I and a 2017 III I can promise you will be happy with either or. Both need front and rear suspension work if you want full enjoyment. The 2015 or 16 will need a Beattle map. Simple, cheap cures. The 5 speed is a lot nicer in tight, twisty NC. mountains. Less shifting, etc. Then of course the V85 is even better. The stator on the 2017+ sucks and just might fail. Even if it doesn't it has pathetic output. The 15 might need a new regulator because some put out too much juice. Buy one, enjoy!
Or if the Stornello was unique?
Interesting thread. I'm confused (happens frequently...). I'm still trying to sort out/understand the distinctions between the I, II, and III offerings of the V7. I found this link very useful for comparing the various iterations (but, don't know if it's accurate):https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/bikes/Moto_Guzzi4.htmlFrom the above link, it looks like the I had the highest seat height of all, but the footpegs were lowered on the II and they specifically mention the advantage to taller riders. But what really confuses me is when exactly did Guzzi make the switch to the hemi heads and also to the single throttle body? I have a 2012 V7 Classic and following the link above it says it is a single throttle body and, I think, implies it has a new head design (but doesn't explicitly call it a "hemi"). Also, I have seen some mention here (on WildGuzzi) of the offerings in the USA being slightly out of sycn (calendar year wise) with the rest of the world but can't remember which models/years this pertained to. Help!
Looking at the photo below, given the info above, noting the heads, valve covers, piston style, single throttle body on the bottom left, and throttle body air manifold, you can see this belongs to a V7 Special, Stone, Racer, or V7 II Stone, Special, Racer, or Stornello:
Apropos the several comments about foot peg position, etc. ... FWIW, with recognition that it's hardly ... erm ... scientific. I notice little difference in ergos when I'm riding.Bill
BrandX -yeah, I know the valve adjust part... the roller insert in my lift makes it easier for such things. But I still prefer spinning the crank directly with a socket on my MkI - I've also got timing marks on the rotor that I made with a sharpie years ago that speeds up the process too.
And none of V7 variants ever had a sub400# wet weight.
I'm pretty sure BrandX only mentions this because it's pretty much the only method for the wet bath alternators, as removing the front cover would to oil getting out (that's only an assumption--I've never removed the alternator cover because of this assumption).Dirk
My 2015 V7 Racer was listed at 394.5 lbs. I never actually weighed it..
Of course, though sort of off-topic to the question I was asking.That was DRY (also known to many as "lie weight"), not wet.
Sure, but as long as we're talking about relative weight (I compared with II or III) it doesn't matter so long as all are either dry or wet. A 37 lb difference sounds about right with regard to feel, which is to say, a difference you can feel on these small blocks.With regard to my experience with the mark II Racer vs the mark III Anniversario, I test rode them back to back at a dealer, and it was the first time I had ever ridden any Guzzi, and I had not seen any performance or weight numbers. All I can say is that after riding the Racer I turned to the salesperson and said, "man, that's a fun bike." After the Anniversario I said, "well, not bad." I suppose it was a combination of slightly lower weight (15 lbs or so in this case), riding position, and lower end torque with different gearing.I am a more or less happy owner of a V7III Stone S now, so I've got no interest in badmouthing the mark III, but that was my clear experience at the time.
