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ZERO TURN MOWER ADVICE/OPINIONS/THOUGHTS/COMMENTS/DOUBTS
« on: July 27, 2022, 08:53:13 AM »
This could be a NGC thread, although there are a lot of 90 degree v-twin engines out there....

I'm looking at picking up a zero turn, walk behind, or stander with a 36-42" mowing deck.  New or used are both possible options.

Personal opinions and annecdotes from the Wild Guzzi Think Tank members are most welcome.

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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2022, 09:24:46 AM »
As I head out the door to do the yards….

I’ve got approx 60 hrs on my John Deere 931 with 52” deck. Kohler engine.   Love it.  Bought it new last year after years of tinkering big and small riding mowers & tractors.   I looked at several brands & options and decided to go JD because the dealership has been in operation here locally in same location since at least the 70’s.  Tired of the best new XXXX brand being “better” on spec sheet and maybe even price, then being swallowed up, parts/models discontinued, nearby dealer disappears, whatever. 

It was a big price jump to go entry-level commercial model from residential 500-series (iirc) top model at Lowes, but it’s also a big difference in details.  The small ancillaries are not all plastic that are guaranteed to age and break like all do.  Gas filler opening is not massive & pointing straight up, which easily allows debris to fall into the tank during, which that’s buried under the seat & impossible to easily clean….  Had a Cub Cadet like that for a while and it was awful if trying to fuel while windy.  Debris then blocks fuel line/pick up in tank.  Real problem.   THe 930 series is heavier duty all around.  My fuel economy has also improved significantly this season once engine hours got past about 40-45 hrs.   

The time saved mowing is hard to beat.  A 60” deck would be less maneuverable and a 48” deck would mean more passes & slower mowing times.   Lots depends upon your actual property, trim work & obstacles, etc.  My only design complaint is the need to remove the seat belt receiver/latch that sticks in my butt/side while mowing.  Even if you wear the belt, it doesn’t help.

Being an actual commercial model, I figured it would be more liquid to sell later if needed after light(er) residential use than the consumer models that seem to depreciate like rocks to all except the seller…. Hoping that it will last as long as I need to mow lawns. 

Before buying, I looked at stand up/walk behind mowers as well.  Many were sold out or had long delays and cost as much if not more for comparable dimension zero turn of same size.  Glad I got this zero turn instead- think my back is happier than it would have been standing up.  Much depends upon your budget.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2022, 11:13:56 AM »
I'll look forward to the future answers on this question with great interest.

I mow about 12,000 sq.ft, divided half in the front yard, half in the back.  I've mowed this area for the last nine years with a Toro "Timemaster" 30" walk-behind.  Last year I looked at the various zero turn models and decided on a Toro 36" model, primarily because of storage space limitations/requirements.  However, after thinking about it and talking with users, I would have had to retain a second mower for the trimming operations (due to the configuration of my lawn). 

What I'd like to have is one mower that's capable of doing it all.  I have that now but it's not a rider and takes a bit longer...maybe.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2022, 11:53:05 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2022, 01:32:08 PM »
If mowing is all you're going to do with it, and have a big enough yard to need a rider, a zero turn is a good choice. As others have already stated, a commercial grade machine is going to last longer than one you buy at Home Repo or Lowes.
I have an acre to mow, but I also use my Cub Cadet to pull a trailer around the property and I mount a snowblower attachment to it in the winter. A zero turn machine for me would have to be in addition to the Cub.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2022, 03:05:13 PM »
A ZTR is hands down the best way to mow. I use one (Ferris IS2100Z 61") and it gets so close to everything that a little use of my weed eater every other mow does the rest. I would suggest looking at light commercial models, over residential, if money allows, they are nicer to operate, to work on, and last longer. I prefer models with Kawasaki motors but the main thing are the hydro pumps or transaxle. When you research different models dig a little deeper and see what pumps they use and put the ones with heavier duty ones at the top of your list.
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2022, 03:16:17 PM »
I don't know how big an area you're cutting, but 36"-42" is on the small side for that type of machine..

There's a big thread here on this topic from last year?

OEM quality on this type of equipment has really gone down, especially in the engines. What used to be good quality residential is now considered top quality commercial.

If you're the tinkerer type, older commercial grade is usually far more durable than anything available, unless you pay big bucks for a higher end commercial machine.

I cut a rough 2 acres with an older 38" JD, that I've literally beat to death, cowling long gone, hard wire external ground for my electric PTO clutch, I tried to replace that mower last year with a zero turn and it turned into a fiasco.

After much research and dicking around I got a major deal on a new residential quality Husqvarna 52" zero turn, but with the short wheel base, no suspension, sitting right over the rear wheels, with my rough lawn it killed my back instantly, I managed to return it and the old JD is still ticking.

There are a few good brands of decent commercial grade mowers, but if you don't have a decent local dealer for parts & support, you can be investing in a world of heartache & frustration. I know from experience, if your mower breaks down and you're waiting for parts; the grass grows 10 times as fast  :laugh:

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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2022, 05:08:14 PM »
Lots of good advice so far.

From my researches so Ferris, Ex-Mark, and Bad Boy commercial models are built like tanks!

The small deck is desired since I am not mowing a lot, and the walk behind is preferred for "roughish" terrain and exercise.

I recall the quote "America is the land of riding lawn mowers and stationary bicycles!"

I've had a Simplicity belt drive (WAW34) and want the dual hydros for side hilling.  Currently have a DR Field Brush mower with both finish mower and brush mower.  Standard transmission is not very efficient on varying terrain, and steering is a bit of muscling.

In terms of residential mowers the Ariens, Bad Boy, Gravely, Cub Cadet, and John Deere all look pretty good.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2022, 05:11:15 PM »
As I head out the door to do the yards….

I’ve got approx 60 hrs on my John Deere 931 with 52” deck. Kohler engine.   Love it.  Bought it new last year after years of tinkering big and small riding mowers & tractors.   I looked at several brands & options and decided to go JD because the dealership has been in operation here locally in same location since at least the 70’s.  Tired of the best new XXXX brand being “better” on spec sheet and maybe even price, then being swallowed up, parts/models discontinued, nearby dealer disappears, whatever. 

It was a big price jump to go entry-level commercial model from residential 500-series (iirc) top model at Lowes, but it’s also a big difference in details.  The small ancillaries are not all plastic that are guaranteed to age and break like all do.  Gas filler opening is not massive & pointing straight up, which easily allows debris to fall into the tank during, which that’s buried under the seat & impossible to easily clean….  Had a Cub Cadet like that for a while and it was awful if trying to fuel while windy.  Debris then blocks fuel line/pick up in tank.  Real problem.   THe 930 series is heavier duty all around.  My fuel economy has also improved significantly this season once engine hours got past about 40-45 hrs.   

The time saved mowing is hard to beat.  A 60” deck would be less maneuverable and a 48” deck would mean more passes & slower mowing times.   Lots depends upon your actual property, trim work & obstacles, etc.  My only design complaint is the need to remove the seat belt receiver/latch that sticks in my butt/side while mowing.  Even if you wear the belt, it doesn’t help.

Being an actual commercial model, I figured it would be more liquid to sell later if needed after light(er) residential use than the consumer models that seem to depreciate like rocks to all except the seller…. Hoping that it will last as long as I need to mow lawns. 

Before buying, I looked at stand up/walk behind mowers as well.  Many were sold out or had long delays and cost as much if not more for comparable dimension zero turn of same size.  Glad I got this zero turn instead- think my back is happier than it would have been standing up.  Much depends upon your budget.

I could not agree more.  Looked at the 300 series John Deere models today.  Primarily because the dealer has been there for at least 30 years.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2022, 05:19:24 PM »
I prefer one with a wheel instead of the arms.  With the arms, you must always use both hands so you don't have a free hand to hold your beer and cigar.  With a wheel, you don't have to stop motion to drink and puff.
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2022, 05:23:25 PM »
We have a 1-1/2acre lot and a Toro ZTR 36” Time Saver. Love it. It also has a cup holder for your beer. The handles are close enough you can temporarily hold both with one hand to take a swig when necessary.
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2022, 06:42:43 PM »
A Public Safety Announcement should be coming up soon.

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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2022, 06:48:27 PM »
I thought a nice feature on the Ferris and Bad Boy walk behind units were the 1/4" thick skid plates to protect the hydros.  ZT-3100's IIRC.

For the record, I prefer to cut my grass at approximately 5.5+" tall.  Definitely high enough to clear a 4x4 on the ground, and preferably a 6x6.

I mow once for every 3-5 times my neighbors mow, and they all wonder why my lawn stays green while their's dries up and turns brown.......

They never believe what I tell them, and they are not willing to try doing the same, so the conversation is pretty short.
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2022, 06:53:49 PM »
Here in S. Fla, the go-to for the commercial teams is Dixie Chopper or Toro. You'll see everything under the sun to some extent, but they seem to meet the price/profit/maintenance ratio most often.
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2022, 07:13:46 PM »
Also interesting is the ExMark engine on some of their mowers.

The local dealer explained that it is Chinese clone of a Kawasaki engine.

He said they have been very pleased with them since they started production 7 years ago (IIRC).
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2022, 08:04:17 PM »

Can't remember if I responded to the earlier thread on this, but here goes ...

You are lucky that I am in the throes of my usual panicked packing for a ride to Erie or this would be even longer than my normal "too many words."   :wink:

So, I had a 2550 Cub Cadet garden tractor that I (mostly) used for mowing.

That started to have all sorts of $urpri$e$, so, because I live to make Greta smile  :rolleyes:, I bought, somewhat to my astonishment, an Ego Z6 42" zero-turn.  There is a 52" model, too.  Both cost too much.

Have had it a year.

Have 7 1/2 acres, of which have is woods; the rest in dandelions.

The bottom line is that I like it comma but. 

One charge of the four batteries that come with it will mow half of my property at any setting of blade sppeed or height, assuming, of course, you are not need a bush hog over a mower.  Then, it's recharge time; which takes about 2 hours to 100%.

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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2022, 10:59:24 PM »
Last fall we bought a Huskvarna zero turn, 48” or so. Good mower at a good price from a small dealer. He even gave me 2 hundred trade in on a twenty two year old Dixon ZTR that I had gotten nearly new. Perfect timing, end of season and a decent mower to boot.
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2022, 05:11:26 AM »
Last fall we bought a Huskvarna zero turn, 48” or so. Good mower at a good price from a small dealer. He even gave me 2 hundred trade in on a twenty two year old Dixon stroke that I had gotten nearly new. Perfect timing, end of season and a decent mower to boot.

My research says that Huskys are rated very well as residential mowers.
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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2022, 05:29:59 PM »
This could be a NGC thread, although there are a lot of 90 degree v-twin engines out there....

I'm looking at picking up a zero turn, walk behind, or stander with a 36-42" mowing deck.  New or used are both possible options.

Personal opinions and annecdotes from the Wild Guzzi Think Tank members are most welcome.

thanks in advance!

I loved using my friends zero turn at his farm, what fun they are. Makes mowing an event. I keep telling my wife we need to buy a place with a few acres of land and she always reply's "thats just because you want a zero turn" Probably true. The only thing I can offer is this. Talking to the same friend who was a brilliant engineer and into engineering details about different zero turns he commented that another friends one that he used to mow her lawns occasionally of a different brand had a "sealed" transmission unit unlike his 2 zero turns the brand of which escapes me. Anything goes wrong on the transmission of the friends zero turn and you can't disassemble the trans and replace parts, it will be a complete transmission assembly. That's all I got.

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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2022, 05:46:51 AM »
I loved using my friends zero turn at his farm, what fun they are. Makes mowing an event. I keep telling my wife we need to buy a place with a few acres of land and she always reply's "thats just because you want a zero turn" Probably true. The only thing I can offer is this. Talking to the same friend who was a brilliant engineer and into engineering details about different zero turns he commented that another friends one that he used to mow her lawns occasionally of a different brand had a "sealed" transmission unit unlike his 2 zero turns the brand of which escapes me. Anything goes wrong on the transmission of the friends zero turn and you can't disassemble the trans and replace parts, it will be a complete transmission assembly. That's all I got.

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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2022, 05:51:45 AM »
Your choice will depend on how much you have to maintain.  I have about 4 acres to mow.  I have owned this property 20+ years and bought a ZTR Ferris 60 inch cut 18 years ago.  Rear suspension.  Built like a tank. Kawasaki engine/28 hp I think.  If you have a big enough piece of property a ZTR is your best option.  Really cuts down on time spent to get the job done, substantially.  I much prefer the handles over a wheel. Faster, easier.   I don't drink much beer. :), I drink a glass of wine when I am done.  The Ferris has been bullet proof, one of the best life changing pieces of equipment I have ever owned.  For what it's worth my chain saws, blower, trimmer all all Stihl.









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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2022, 05:55:27 AM »
After owning a number of cheap riding mowers I bought a 48" zero turn snapper. What a pleasure to mow around my 12 crepe myrtles, well house, fruit trees etc. (No, I do not have cars on blocks in the front yard!)
The only disadvantage I've found after owning the Snapper for 20 years is it does not do well on inclines as it want to go downhill. The Snapper has a joy stick so you have one hand free for whatever.

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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2022, 06:20:50 AM »
more good advice!

The Ferris really is top of the line, and at least in the past, some of the Snapper Pro's were a Ferris with different stickers.  Ex-Mark, Big Dog, Spartan, and Gravely seem comparable to the Ferris.

The Big Dog walk behind really impresses with it's tank like build.  I love the skid plates protecting the hydros!

The areas I have to mow are small (1/3 - 3/4 acre) but the terrain is either a bit rough or actually wooded (shaded running mazes for dogs!), so 36-42" fits better and high quality "idiot proof" will be appreciated.  The mower will be used to chop up some small branches and 1/4" diameter saplings.  Sharpening blades often is an acceptable price to pay.

Other factor is, if the standard design does not allow a mowing height of over 5", it needs to be such that is can it be modified via bigger tires, adding extensions to the caster forks, and modifying the lift mechanisms.
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2022, 07:18:17 AM »
I can talk about zero turns.  :smiley: They will go down hill whether you want them to or not.  :shocked: I mow about 3 1/2 acres with some 20 degree slopes down to a pond. See where this is going? 27 trees, so a zero turn saves more than 50% of the time involved. Gotta have one.
The other Chuck in Indiana says he would like to have a mower that does it all. I have had one for 850 hours now.
I called my first zero turn the Blue Beaver because it was always headed for the pond.  :grin: It didn't swim well, though.
The second was a used Ferris commercial with a dolly it pulled that you rode on. Good mower, but have you noticed commercial mower operators running these are in their 20s and 30s and built like football players? There is a reason for that.
The third and final is/was built in Indiana, called a "convertible."  A rider that converts into a walk behind. Outrageously expensive (not Guzzi content) but I just have one machine to maintain. When I first looked at it I thought, there is no reason I couldn't maintain it indefinitely. Built out of square tubing. No plastic. Two independent hydraulic pumps connected to the motor at each wheel. Poorly manufactured suspension seat, made in Italy of course,  :smiley: that I've had to make parts for and weld when the dealer wanted over $400 for a new one.
It will see me out.. don't know if they are still manufactured somewhere. They aren't in Indiana any more.
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2022, 08:40:19 AM »
I can talk about zero turns.  :smiley: They will go down hill whether you want them to or not.  :shocked: I mow about 3 1/2 acres with some 20 degree slopes down to a pond. See where this is going? 27 trees, so a zero turn saves more than 50% of the time involved. Gotta have one.
The other Chuck in Indiana says he would like to have a mower that does it all. I have had one for 850 hours now.
I called my first zero turn the Blue Beaver because it was always headed for the pond.  :grin: It didn't swim well, though.
The second was a used Ferris commercial with a dolly it pulled that you rode on. Good mower, but have you noticed commercial mower operators running these are in their 20s and 30s and built like football players? There is a reason for that.
The third and final is/was built in Indiana, called a "convertible."  A rider that converts into a walk behind. Outrageously expensive (not Guzzi content) but I just have one machine to maintain. When I first looked at it I thought, there is no reason I couldn't maintain it indefinitely. Built out of square tubing. No plastic. Two independent hydraulic pumps connected to the motor at each wheel. Poorly manufactured suspension seat, made in Italy of course,  :smiley: that I've had to make parts for and weld when the dealer wanted over $400 for a new one.
It will see me out.. don't know if they are still manufactured somewhere. They aren't in Indiana any more.
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THERE IS NO REASON TO SHOUT, SRE. It shirley isn't that important. :)

Got any links?

You should have researched the convertible model that is amphibious......

No need to shout?  Do you know how old and deaf a lot of the Wild Guzzi frequenters are?   :wink:
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Re: ZERO TURN MOWER ADVICE/OPINIONS/THOUGHTS/COMMENTS/DOUBTS
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2022, 09:12:47 AM »
When My time was worth a lot working, I paid someone to cut My 2 acres.  It was well worth the cost.  With mowers getting into the $10,000.00 range, paying someone $60 a week to do what took me a couple of hours to do was well worth it.  No trimming, maintenance, trimming, gas, blowing, time. I came home to a nice yard. Plus I gave a young guy and His wife a job. 

Now I am cutting 4 yards a week, it sucks, I am older.  Two with a Cub Cadet Commercial 42 inch cut, v-twin 750cc Kohler, two with self propelled push.  I am ready to turn one of the rider jobs back over to a guy that will do it for $40.00 a week since he is doing two other yards next to mine.  No more hooking up the trailer, loading, unloading, cutting, driving 30 miles a week.  Giving me 4 hours of time back a week to ride the Guzzi.

I would look at the Your cost to buy, maintain and lost time to cut as part of the buying process.  For maybe a few more dollar a week, You can have some free time and a less abused body.  I suppose to be retired, now I am doing maintenance on investment properties.  That is in the process of ending, soon. 

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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2022, 05:42:08 PM »
When My time was worth a lot working, I paid someone to cut My 2 acres.  It was well worth the cost.  With mowers getting into the $10,000.00 range, paying someone $60 a week to do what took me a couple of hours to do was well worth it.  No trimming, maintenance, trimming, gas, blowing, time. I came home to a nice yard. Plus I gave a young guy and His wife a job. 

Now I am cutting 4 yards a week, it sucks, I am older.  Two with a Cub Cadet Commercial 42 inch cut, v-twin 750cc Kohler, two with self propelled push.  I am ready to turn one of the rider jobs back over to a guy that will do it for $40.00 a week since he is doing two other yards next to mine.  No more hooking up the trailer, loading, unloading, cutting, driving 30 miles a week.  Giving me 4 hours of time back a week to ride the Guzzi.

I would look at the Your cost to buy, maintain and lost time to cut as part of the buying process.  For maybe a few more dollar a week, You can have some free time and a less abused body.  I suppose to be retired, now I am doing maintenance on investment properties.  That is in the process of ending, soon.

good advice John.  In this area, lawn mowing services are incredibly inexpensive.  People getting less than $30 an hour to mow is common.

In my case with the specialized terrain, and the dogs present, I prefer to do it myself.  not only is it exercise, but it is also recreation.

and as we all know, if you can work the right kind of vehicle into your recreational activities, the fun factor increases.
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