Itialian thumpers

[John A]

https://youtu.be/IwVKV7DN5kg?si=ZD6bX4t4h67nft8K
Decent video on five Italian thumpers

[pehayes]

How about researching a bit more accurate mechanical discovery before blasting away like an expert on YouTube?!!!
No, the Guzzi Falcone does NOT have an overhead camshaft.  It is a simple pushrod and rocker arm affair. Listen at 3:50
No, the Guzzi Falcone does NOT drive this imaginary overhead camshaft with a bevel drive shaft.  That tube on the right side of the cylinder just provides passage for the two side-by-side pushrods.
While the name Falcone is pronounced correctly with three syllables, the reference to earlier Astore (AH-store-ray) fails at pronouncing only two syllables. Listen at 4:10

What a dork!

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA

[John A]

WTF????
How about researching a bit more accurate mechanical discovery before blasting away like an expert on YouTube?!!!
No, the Guzzi Falcone does NOT have an overhead camshaft.  It is a simple pushrod and rocker arm affair. Listen at 3:50
No, the Guzzi Falcone does NOT drive this imaginary overhead camshaft with a bevel drive shaft.  That tube on the right side of the cylinder just provides passage for the two side-by-side pushrods.
While the name Falcone is pronounced correctly with three syllables, the reference to earlier Astore (AH-store-ray) fails at pronouncing only two syllables. Listen at 4:10






Thanks for the info, I was just looking at the purty pictures and mostly didn’t listen close enough to catch that.

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA

[spmoto]

A bit harsh, no? P.H. What's the point?

[John A]

A bit harsh, no? P.H. What's the point?

Incorrect information is never tolerated on WildGuzzi!

[spmoto]

Sadly, intolerance rules the day.

[cliffrod]

Pointing out ignorance and bad info isn’t intolerance.  Bikerdood is wrong- Simply wrong- about things that are easily correctly known and presented.

Patrick already covered the bad Moto Guzzi content on that video.  So I’ll add my perspective-

The 250 Ducati was not introduced until 1961.  It was not the beginning of the Ducati bevel single range. The 250 was developed from the 200, which was developed from the 175.  That was the larger series of their bevel singles, with the smaller series 100 bevel becoming the 125 and then the 160.  The 100 and 175 bevel engines series began production in the 1950s.     Ducati singles- production or otherwise- NEVER came with a fiberglass fuel tank. They were all steel tanks.  They didn’t all become 450 cc in 1969 as he seems to infer.  only a very small number of very late yellow Desmo bikes came with disc brakes and not many more came with the  “excellent grimeca (4 shoe) brakes” he shows on that yellow Desmo.  Etc, etc, etc..

He also is extremely casual with presenting one model of a bike in video, like that black and white circa 1966 Aermacchi 250 while talking about the very different 350 model that wasn’t even in production yet or showing a yellow 1973-74 Ducati Desmo as he discusses their smart styling while referencing the new 350 Desmo bikes which entered production in 1968 & look look completely different than the final series yellow Desmo bikes. 

Throughout all of the Ducati segment, he repeatedly speaks from the perspective of “if you are to believe their claims…” about Ducati factory hp, top speed, etc like they’re not telling the truth but he is more knowledgeable and accurate than they are in what he presents.  He’s not, but he could have easily been 100% correct.   That’s why he has earned and deserves our criticism. 

Sloppy research.  Poorly organized content. Far too much garbage dialogue going on like he knows what he’s talking about when he doesn’t.  that video that will sadly misguide even more people who do not know better.

[pehayes]

Sloppy research.  Poorly organized content. Far too much garbage dialogue going on like he knows what he’s talking about when he doesn’t.  that video that will sadly misguide even more people who do not know better.

And meanwhile he likely pockets a bit of click-bait cash representing himself as an expert.

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA

[chuck peterson]

Mis-information? Never…

Did someone say Italian singles? Moto Demm crawled out of ww2 as destroyed ball bearing factory. They restarted by making the measuring calipers for machinists….

Made a 4 stroke 50cc MotoGP championship motor and bike mid 50’s

[spmoto]

A bit harsh, no? P.H. What's the point?

I stand by my original comment, above. Name calling, "what a dork", is harsh and pointless and only serves to alienate and offend. There are better ways to bring attention to misinformation for the sake of enlightenment of forum members.

[LowRyter]

Thanks Patrick.  I thought "huh"? (man those are skinny cams and how are the connected?)   But I wasn't sure either. 

So, do some basic research first or at least ask Wild Guzz?

[pressureangle]

A bit harsh, no? P.H. What's the point?

I stand by my original comment, above. Name calling, "what a dork", is harsh and pointless and only serves to alienate and offend. There are better ways to bring attention to misinformation for the sake of enlightenment of forum members.

I have become completely intolerant of tolerance. Ridicule and Shaming *WORK* to keep humanity moving forward.
To hell with 'tolerant society'. Let's return to 'Civil Society'.

[cliffrod]

My lack of patience from such know-it-all motorcycle experts grew considerably when my wife took the MSF course in 2002 in VT.  The lead instructor “expert” was vastly worse than bikerdood video guy.   he professed to know an endless amount of knowledge about every old marque, including the ones we owned.  He was pretty slick but was wrong about everything.  Absolutely everything. Even my wife was correcting him about multiple details on our R69S that she planned to ride after she got her license.  It seemed like the only source of his knowledge was every similar wannabe and every wrong thing that had ever been said or written. 

Later on that day at a supermarket when he avalanched me with his expertise,  I called him on it by correcting every “fact” he threw at me about bikes that I owned at that time.  We finally walked away because the more he said, the more he earned correction.  It was that bad.   20 min after he was gone, I said to my wife “well, that guy is a f——— dork” (may have been idiot but pretty sure it was dork, which is why Patrick’s post made me smile) and “he’s wrong about everything.” Of course, my wife kicked me because she could see that he was 10-15 ft behind us and apparently within earshot.   Coincidentally, two days later my wife failed “his” course by 1 point.  The other instructors said that simply didn’t happen, especially since she did so well on the entire course and had easily earned passing scores on their portions of the course.  One said that we must have upset him because he alone determined the final grade.

The very next MSF course that “expert” oversaw, a rider in training died after riding straight into a brick wall at the hospital where the session was being held.  Serious hit- the Hospital personnel couldn’t get outside fast enough to help her.   I can’t help but think that “expert” may have influenced others to have or keep him in a position of leadership because of his bold and overwhelming “knowledge” of motorcycles in general, especially about things they may not personally know.  I understand there may have been no direct correlation between the “expert” and that panicked rider.  I still believe he had no business being in a position where his fake expertise could serve as some manner of credential or influence.   He talked a really big show about how much he knew about bikes & riding.  I knew his expertise on bikes was a fallacy.  Imho he had no business vigorously flashing his fake expertise in front of so many aspiring but likely naive riders.

When it comes to the details of a motorcycle engine’s parts or when it entered production as covered in that video, the truth a very fair and unbiased standard.  Knowing the facts certainly isn’t hard now in the internet age.  People that are wrong have earned their criticism, especially when they present themselves as a knowledgeable expert.

[Shiny Hat]

Funny thread.

[s1120]

Totally unrelated to where this thread has drifted to, but MAN those Ducati 400's were SWEET looking bikes! A true piece of mechanical artwork.

[chuck peterson]

Totally unrelated to where this thread has drifted to, but MAN those Ducati 400's were SWEET looking bikes! A true piece of mechanical artwork.

[cliffrod]

Totally unrelated to where this thread has drifted to, but MAN those Ducati 400's were SWEET looking bikes! A true piece of mechanical artwork.

Over the years, I’ve found the 400 Ducatis to be at least as rare as the 600 Ducati singles my uncle swore he used to ride back in the day.  I’ve never been fortunate enough to own either of those models.  Maybe someday.

Still, I wasn’t particularly happy with the mods made to my prized 450 Desmo shortly after I sold it. I liked it better the way I had it.  But, his bike, his rules-





At least the engine survived to live another day-

[Bob Wegman]

In 1972 I purchased an identical orange HD ERS350 sprint exactly like the one in the video.  Sadly I sold it after 20 years before the internet arrived.  I was worried I would never be able to find parts for it.  I would really like to know its whereabouts.  They were a very limited production model.

[Bulldog9]

Hmmm,

And here I was thinking of my Italian Grandmother who was an 'expert' at thumping with her rolling pin.

*pic for emphasis.......... Carry on..........

[Bulldog9]

In 1972 I purchased an identical orange HD ERS350 sprint exactly like the one in the video.  Sadly I sold it after 20 years before the internet arrived.  I was worried I would never be able to find parts for it.  I would really like to know its whereabouts.  They were a very limited production model.

Funny you say this. It's the reason why I sold my Puch 125, and almost sold my XS1100. The internet changed everything. So wish I would have kept it would have been great for my grandson.

[Canuck750]

Typical of much online content, poorly researched and presented as absolute fact.

[SIR REAL ED]

Incorrect information is never tolerated on WildGuzzi!

   

Yes!  Incorrect information may be wildly promoted and disseminated here, but never tolerated.   

WG (pronounced "weeg") have standards!!!!!   

[SIR REAL ED]

My lack of patience from such know-it-all motorcycle experts grew considerably when my wife took the MSF course in 2002 in VT.  The lead instructor “expert” was vastly worse than bikerdood video guy.   he professed to know an endless amount of knowledge about every old marque, including the ones we owned.  He was pretty slick but was wrong about everything.  Absolutely everything. Even my wife was correcting him about multiple details on our R69S that she planned to ride after she got her license.  It seemed like the only source of his knowledge was every similar wannabe and every wrong thing that had ever been said or written. 

Later on that day at a supermarket when he avalanched me with his expertise,  I called him on it by correcting every “fact” he threw at me about bikes that I owned at that time.  We finally walked away because the more he said, the more he earned correction.  It was that bad.   20 min after he was gone, I said to my wife “well, that guy is a f——— dork” (may have been idiot but pretty sure it was dork, which is why Patrick’s post made me smile) and “he’s wrong about everything.” Of course, my wife kicked me because she could see that he was 10-15 ft behind us and apparently within earshot.   Coincidentally, two days later my wife failed “his” course by 1 point.  The other instructors said that simply didn’t happen, especially since she did so well on the entire course and had easily earned passing scores on their portions of the course.  One said that we must have upset him because he alone determined the final grade.

The very next MSF course that “expert” oversaw, a rider in training died after riding straight into a brick wall at the hospital where the session was being held.  Serious hit- the Hospital personnel couldn’t get outside fast enough to help her.   I can’t help but think that “expert” may have influenced others to have or keep him in a position of leadership because of his bold and overwhelming “knowledge” of motorcycles in general, especially about things they may not personally know.  I understand there may have been no direct correlation between the “expert” and that panicked rider.  I still believe he had no business being in a position where his fake expertise could serve as some manner of credential or influence.   He talked a really big show about how much he knew about bikes & riding.  I knew his expertise on bikes was a fallacy.  Imho he had no business vigorously flashing his fake expertise in front of so many aspiring but likely naive riders.

When it comes to the details of a motorcycle engine’s parts or when it entered production as covered in that video, the truth a very fair and unbiased standard.  Knowing the facts certainly isn’t hard now in the internet age.  People that are wrong have earned their criticism, especially when they present themselves as a knowledgeable expert.

yep.  Back in the good ole days, the best description of this behavioral trait I ever heard was: "He often said more than he knew!"

One of my favorite quotations is "If you can tell good advice from bad advice, then you don't need advice!"

[SIR REAL ED]

Hmmm,

And here I was thinking of my Italian Grandmother who was an 'expert' at thumping with her rolling pin.

*pic for emphasis.......... Carry on..........

There's tuners and than there's TUNERS! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j0SuY4n6Ic

Stangely enough, the professional thumpers never asked you your opinion on spark plug heat ranges or pilot jet sizes.....

Tough love back in the day resulted in much shorter Oil threads......

"Tolerance" was synonymous with "low standards!"  Timeless wisdom!