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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2024, 12:10:11 AM »
Il change the name of the TN/GA/NC area Moto guzzi enthusiasts traveling meet n greet lunch group to…

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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2024, 06:20:29 AM »
In three decades of living in New Haven the riders have changed completely..

It used to be clubs, with colors, hanging and riding together with weekend barbecues and bands, hosted by one club and attended by all the other clubs. Each club was 10-45 riders, each with identifying leathers and club script. Sometimes with a clubhouse. Women rider’s groups would parade together, ride together, park together, display together. Amazing display of community, society and pride.

Today it’s a guy on a grom with a hoodie, with 100 of his friends on 4 wheelers doing street takeovers for a Saturday evening. On the street there are one or two 300-400cc with loud exhausts…or a 50cc moped/scooter…or a huge monster Harley….

And that’s it..zero in the 600-1200cc range. Im guessing the number of on the street riders daily has dropped by 80% over 30yrs. 
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2024, 07:23:32 AM »
When I was at Agostini in Mandello de Laurio last month, the sales person I rented the bike from told me that there was a young American Vlogger who reviews motorcycles there the day before, rented a bike for her review. He didn't know if it was Youtube or Instagram, but she was cute and blonde, and NOT itchy boots. I didn't catch the name, but they are out there.

When in DC, I regularly see people in their 30's on new Small blocks. Time was you would never see a Guzzi in the flesh, now it is far more common and is a small block, either a V7 or V85.
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2024, 07:36:50 AM »
I'm 35 and I'm on my 3rd new Guzzi ( V7, Griso, V7). I kinda fell into the brand like a lot people my age I grew up dreaming about Ducatis the only Guzzi I had seen was a Monza in my uncle's shed that hadn't run since the 80s. When I was finally able to buy a new  Ducati Monster I was patiently waiting to speak to the salesman who was busy positioning a mirror for some guy sitting on Ducati when I noticed a neglected V7 Classic hidden in the corner and for some reason I fell in love and it's been an addiction ever since.

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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2024, 08:10:02 AM »
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2024, 08:21:01 AM »
Couple of thoughts. At 42 years old, I figure I’m closer to the demographic in question than most of ya ;)

If a newer rider wants to…
  • Go fast, they get a Japanese bike, Ducati, or Triumph;
  • Look “American-made”, aka cruiser badass, they get a Harley or Honda Rebel (heh);
  • Ride ‘Classic-styled’, they get a Bonnie, Street Twin, RE, or some used, old Sportster or Japanese naked standard;
  • have community support, they go to anyone else with larger dealer networks and thus larger ownership*

Younger generations, as many of you probably were and are—are attracted to what’s thrown in front of their faces. Where’s the marketing / advertisement from Guzzi? How are they getting their brand engrained into first-time riders’ brains? They’re quirky, small production, and other brands seem to represent their particular attraction niches better. They’re not the cheapest, lightest, most powerful, most common, most ‘classic’…

Younger folks who buy Moto Guzzis today get them because they’re accessible (seat height, cheap, not too powerful) and like something that kinda stands out as different, but they’ve still got other more well-known brands to choose from. Heck, Royal Enfield is probably more well-known now because they’re so cheap out of the box and don’t suck.

*Community support—it’s my experience, having gone to a couple BMW and Guzzi rallies, that the old guard tends to be quite curmudgeonly and protective when it comes to newer riders.

Ahem—*most older farts are not bitter curmudgeons*…

BUT, there are enough to leave an impact—especially those who own bikes with such niched and special histories.

I was casually reminded by a few guys at a Guzzi national rally a couple years ago that my politics were the clear minority amongst the rest of the crowd…folks— I’m left of center. C’mon.

As a person raised solely by my grandparents and around a lot of older folks, I feel pretty comfortable saying that younger folks are often turned off by the stereotypical ‘old white guy who’s not afraid to scoff atcha.’

Older men are just as guilty of creating cliques as anyone else. Therefore, when you have this existing old guard protecting a brand—a brand that’s smaller in representation than so many other brands out there—it can be hard to feel welcome. This is why I really advocate for and heavily support women and younger riders when it comes to choosing bikes and being part of healthy cultures that make them feel included. Make ‘em feel welcome, and they’ll stick around…and invite their friends…and draw others whose demographics are more aligned with theirs. I hang around older riders because I know there are often many lessons to learn from stories and anecdotes. I seek that knowledge in hopes to turn it one day into wisdom. Many other ‘younger’ riders don’t necessarily have the connection that I do with older people, and so they focus on seeking out their own kin for comfort and fun.

And if the older dudes are the ones at the rallies, those who don’t want to be surrounded by that maybe just hang out with the couple friends they have or lurk on Facebook.
 
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2024, 09:53:58 AM »
Couple of thoughts. At 42 years old, I figure I’m closer to the demographic in question than most of ya ;)

If a newer rider wants to…
  • Go fast, they get a Japanese bike, Ducati, or Triumph;
  • Look “American-made”, aka cruiser badass, they get a Harley or Honda Rebel (heh);
  • Ride ‘Classic-styled’, they get a Bonnie, Street Twin, RE, or some used, old Sportster or Japanese naked standard;
  • have community support, they go to anyone else with larger dealer networks and thus larger ownership*

Younger generations, as many of you probably were and are—are attracted to what’s thrown in front of their faces. Where’s the marketing / advertisement from Guzzi? How are they getting their brand engrained into first-time riders’ brains? They’re quirky, small production, and other brands seem to represent their particular attraction niches better. They’re not the cheapest, lightest, most powerful, most common, most ‘classic’…

Younger folks who buy Moto Guzzis today get them because they’re accessible (seat height, cheap, not too powerful) and like something that kinda stands out as different, but they’ve still got other more well-known brands to choose from. Heck, Royal Enfield is probably more well-known now because they’re so cheap out of the box and don’t suck.

*Community support—it’s my experience, having gone to a couple BMW and Guzzi rallies, that the old guard tends to be quite curmudgeonly and protective when it comes to newer riders.

Ahem—*most older farts are not bitter curmudgeons*…

BUT, there are enough to leave an impact—especially those who own bikes with such niched and special histories.

I was casually reminded by a few guys at a Guzzi national rally a couple years ago that my politics were the clear minority amongst the rest of the crowd…folks— I’m left of center. C’mon.

As a person raised solely by my grandparents and around a lot of older folks, I feel pretty comfortable saying that younger folks are often turned off by the stereotypical ‘old white guy who’s not afraid to scoff atcha.’

Older men are just as guilty of creating cliques as anyone else. Therefore, when you have this existing old guard protecting a brand—a brand that’s smaller in representation than so many other brands out there—it can be hard to feel welcome. This is why I really advocate for and heavily support women and younger riders when it comes to choosing bikes and being part of healthy cultures that make them feel included. Make ‘em feel welcome, and they’ll stick around…and invite their friends…and draw others whose demographics are more aligned with theirs. I hang around older riders because I know there are often many lessons to learn from stories and anecdotes. I seek that knowledge in hopes to turn it one day into wisdom. Many other ‘younger’ riders don’t necessarily have the connection that I do with older people, and so they focus on seeking out their own kin for comfort and fun.

And if the older dudes are the ones at the rallies, those who don’t want to be surrounded by that maybe just hang out with the couple friends they have or lurk on Facebook.

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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2024, 11:13:13 AM »
44 now, but I've been riding Guzzi's since 18...

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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2024, 11:34:44 AM »
I just "liked" a 35 YO who's "left of center" Maybe I'm not the curmudgeon I'm supposed to be  :cool: :boozing:
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2024, 12:12:06 PM »
For me, a community, like Harley owner, have is keeping me from buying one. I judge a bike solely on what I expect/know it to be for me, not the brand name or how they are perceived or "respected". Unless it is a Harley :rolleyes:

I have never bought a bike because it had a specific name on the tank. I have owned Hondas, Kawasakis, Suzukis, Yamahas, Triumphs, Guzzis and a BMW. None were perfect, but only the Virago I built and the Roamer have continued to grow on me, despite their flaws. Or because of them :huh:

The Guzzi, while not the most common brand, is not THAT unusual. Out of 103 different brands for sale at the moment in Norway, Guzzi sit in 13th spot with 45 listed, behind the 10 brands below plus Indian and Vespa.





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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2024, 12:38:21 PM »
When I was at Agostini in Mandello de Laurio last month, the sales person I rented the bike from told me that there was a young American Vlogger who reviews motorcycles there the day before, rented a bike for her review. He didn't know if it was Youtube or Instagram, but she was cute and blonde, and NOT itchy boots. I didn't catch the name, but they are out there.


If some of those details (blogger vs vlogger, and not blonde) were different then I'd say it could be my friend who got me into Guzzis. She just rented a V7 from Agostini after touring the Moto Guzzi factory. She's written for Revzilla and Motorcycle.com. Might be more than a few young ladies from America out there renting motorcycles who also do some journalism, blogging, vlogging, "influencing", etc. though.

Here's an older piece she has on her experiences touring solo, which have mostly been on V7s
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/setting-out-solo
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2024, 01:12:17 PM »
I have never met a more welcoming group than Guzzi people.That has been one big reason I keep buying them,talking politics with folks you don’t know is sure to make someone feel unwelcome.Im not sure you are in the minority anyway.Most of the Guzzi folks I have known for years have never asked about my politics and I have never asked them and we get along great.

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« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2024, 02:46:50 PM »
There are a few of us! At the NH rally a few weeks ago I think there were maybe 2 people in our 20s and probably another handful between 30-45.

I think marketing is part of it, cost is a part of it, and performance figures are another. For example, I have a V85TT. On paper the V-Strom 650 is pretty similar in power, weight, also a V-Twin, and it's well known to be reliable. Younger people are not going to be familiar with Guzzis and assume Italian = unreliable and expensive to maintain, like a Ducati or Aprilia.

IMO, Guzzi would need to make a Halo bike that can compete with the V4S, Superduke, S1000RR, etc to gain sport credentials, a naked variant that people would actually buy, a more aggressive Adv bike to compete with the DesertX, F900GS, etc. and then trickle those down to bike that are more accessible. A V100 Naked bike would be pretty cool, or a V100 Stelvio with a 21" front, 18" rear, and an extra inch or two of suspension travel, or a V85 with another 20hp and 21/18 wheels plus 2" of travel.

Even if the V85/V100s are enough for 99% of riders, people will look at online reviews and spec sheets and get in their head that they need more power, more suspension travel, etc. so offering those options to keep people happy is worth it IMO.

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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2024, 03:12:41 PM »
If some of those details (blogger vs vlogger, and not blonde) were different then I'd say it could be my friend who got me into Guzzis. She just rented a V7 from Agostini after touring the Moto Guzzi factory. She's written for Revzilla and Motorcycle.com. Might be more than a few young ladies from America out there renting motorcycles who also do some journalism, blogging, vlogging, "influencing", etc. though.

Here's an older piece she has on her experiences touring solo, which have mostly been on V7s
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/setting-out-solo

This sounds like it was the person.

 I didn't see any pictures or anything Luca at Agostini just told me about it, that there was just a young American female there to do a review.
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2024, 06:36:48 PM »
Personal experience here. I bought the T-3 in 1989 when I was 35. A couple of years earlier I was exposed to an Ambo. My thoughts at the time were what an old fashion styled bike. Looks like an old person's ride, not impressed. Was only impressed with the sound. Saw the T-3 and thought now that is a motorcycle! The only reason I got into Motoguzzi was due to a friend that hired on as a tech at a dealership and was praising the bikes. Glad I jumped.
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2024, 06:51:27 PM »
I hopped on at 25 and haven't hopped off yet, purest though, that's all I ride.
I'm not a fat American though, 155# and the bikes fly like the wind.

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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2024, 08:07:26 PM »
I got my V7 Sport in pieces with a stuck engine for $200 in 92 when I was 25,  had it on the road when I was 26.  I was lucky to get it then and to still have it now.   I have and ride other bikes but nothing is better imho than my hammered old V7 Sport.  It is the end of my ruler, not because it is a Guzzi but because it is my favorite & point of reference for all things motorcycle.

My btdt two cents about being a younger Guzzi rider over the years?  Far too many older Guzzi riders are hung up on how nice your bike is or isn’t instead of simply being supportive that you are actually riding one.  This isn’t a fashion or status play for me like it seems to be for them.   If I actually cared what people like them think, I would have moved on to something else long ago. 
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2024, 08:19:23 PM »
My btdt two cents about being a younger Guzzi rider over the years?  Far too many older Guzzi riders are hung up on how nice your bike is or isn’t instead of simply being supportive that you are actually riding one.  This isn’t a fashion or status play for me like it seems to be for them.   If I actually cared what people like them think, I would have moved on to something else long ago.

You are describing BMW riders, NO Guzzi rider or group I have ever met with cared about how 'nice' your ride was. But what do I know? I didn't get into Guzzi till 9 years ago when I was 51.
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2024, 08:36:39 PM »
You are describing BMW riders, NO Guzzi rider or group I have ever met with cared about how 'nice' your ride was. But what do I know? I didn't get into Guzzi till 9 years ago when I was 51.

Maybe that’s not been your experience, but it’s been mine.  No reason to make it up. 

Being a relatively broke young guy riding an unpretty but special bike apparently makes people think they that I need or want their advice.  Ever since I started riding my cosmetically imperfect V7 Sport, I have consistently had and heard people say “when are you going to fix it?” and “that would be a nice bike if you…”.  It’s happened in multiple states and even at the IMOC.  It gets old, just like the endless Big Twin vs Sportster bias.  My bike is 100% mechanically spot-on and that’s what it’s all  about to me.

So, I get lucky again a couple of years ago and end up with a much nicer but still not perfect CX100 to park next to my old V7 Sport.  At one of the first events I take it to, an older rider parks his blinged-out Loop next to me.  Then he says - not kidding- “that would be a nice bike if you fixed…”. I walked away.  Later, when he was leaving, he shifted his bike into neutral to start it before spending 15+ min trying to get it back into gear so he could actually ride home.  I thought about saying to him “that would be a nice bike if you..” but I didn’t.

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« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2024, 08:47:22 PM »
Maybe that’s not been your experience, but it’s been mine.  No reason to make it up. 

Being a relatively broke young guy riding an unpretty but special bike apparently makes people think they that I need or want their advice.  Ever since I started riding my cosmetically imperfect V7 Sport, I have consistently had and heard people say “when are you going to fix it?” and “that would be a nice bike if you…”.  It’s happened in multiple states and even at the IMOC.  It gets old, just like the endless Big Twin vs Sportster bias.  My bike is 100% mechanically spot-on and that’s what it’s all  about to me.

So, I get lucky again a couple of years ago and end up with a much nicer but still not perfect CX100 to park next to my old V7 Sport.  At one of the first events I take it to, an older rider parks his blinged-out Loop next to me.  Then he says - not kidding- “that would be a nice bike if you fixed…”. I walked away.  Later, when he was leaving, he shifted his bike into neutral to start it before spending 15+ min trying to get it back into gear so he could actually ride home.  I thought about saying to him “that would be a nice bike if you..” but I didn’t.

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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2024, 08:48:49 PM »


I think we need picture of your V7

Except for me painting the frame argent in 1999-2000 because the red on the frame didn’t match the bodywork, this is how the bike was customized (intentionally and unintentionally) in 1978-79 when it was part of the Clemson Cafe Racers scene- Busted gauges & fins, scratched valve covers, nicked Borranis and all.  Here’s a couple of pics and a link to video







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« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2024, 10:10:56 PM »
Maybe that’s not been your experience, but it’s been mine.  No reason to make it up. 

Being a relatively broke young guy riding an unpretty but special bike apparently makes people think they that I need or want their advice.  Ever since I started riding my cosmetically imperfect V7 Sport, I have consistently had and heard people say “when are you going to fix it?” and “that would be a nice bike if you…”.  It’s happened in multiple states and even at the IMOC.  It gets old, just like the endless Big Twin vs Sportster bias.  My bike is 100% mechanically spot-on and that’s what it’s all  about to me.

So, I get lucky again a couple of years ago and end up with a much nicer but still not perfect CX100 to park next to my old V7 Sport.  At one of the first events I take it to, an older rider parks his blinged-out Loop next to me.  Then he says - not kidding- “that would be a nice bike if you fixed…”. I walked away.  Later, when he was leaving, he shifted his bike into neutral to start it before spending 15+ min trying to get it back into gear so he could actually ride home.  I thought about saying to him “that would be a nice bike if you..” but I didn’t.

Not diminishing your experiences.

I've only been in the Guzzi community since 2015, and being in the Army have been in Washington, Virginia, New York, Carolinas, and Kentucky, and pull in riders from all the surrounding states, and found the Guzzi community very cool, diverse, and 'MY" kind of people who love to ride, respect all. No snobbery at all.

But to be fair, my bikes are newer, and generally pristine, though NOT a classic like a V7 sport. I can imagine having a very desirable bike in ratty condition and seeing enthusiasts wanting to see it cared for and in best condition. My oldest is a 76 Convert, and would love an original V7 Sport, Ambo or Eldo. All my other bikes are CARC or modern small block (V7ii).

My only point is that the Guzzi community is the best I have been in, and are largely helpful and encouraging and willing to help. Perhaps you are being a bit sensitive. Then again, the red suspender snapping codgers can be pretty snotty............. .  They sure are sensitive, at least on this board. In fact I am sure these comments will cause the moderators a ton of headache. :cool: :cool: :cool:



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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #52 on: August 12, 2024, 10:40:53 PM »
Well...When I get to a Guzzi get together and see a nice bike and the owner next to it. I do say nice bike! If I see a ratty old Guzzi, old and worn but not molested, I say nice old bike, glad it's on the road! I don't care about faded paint and chips, I'm just glad it's out there.

Back in '80 I got my Eldo. Very ratty, basically a sorta together bike that need LOTTS of love, not literally a basket case but close. Cost me alot back then. 2 Miller Lite beers and some leg work for the paperwork and it was mine. I had been hanging out with a small group of mainly HD riders that most were at the age they could have been my dad. Not a single one ever said anything like what a crappy bike. All were supportive, even when I couldn't figure out an issue. Heck they were even able to help since if you know a bit about VW bug, you can likely fix a Guzzi.

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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #53 on: August 12, 2024, 10:47:49 PM »
Not diminishing your experiences.

I've only been in the Guzzi community since 2015, and being in the Army have been in Washington, Virginia, New York, Carolinas, and Kentucky, and pull in riders from all the surrounding states, and found the Guzzi community very cool, diverse, and 'MY" kind of people who love to ride, respect all. No snobbery at all.

But to be fair, my bikes are newer, and generally pristine, though NOT a classic like a V7 sport. I can imagine having a very desirable bike in ratty condition and seeing enthusiasts wanting to see it cared for and in best condition. My oldest is a 76 Convert, and would love an original V7 Sport, Ambo or Eldo. All my other bikes are CARC or modern small block (V7ii).

My only point is that the Guzzi community is the best I have been in, and are largely helpful and encouraging and willing to help. Perhaps you are being a bit sensitive. Then again, the red suspender snapping codgers can be pretty snotty............. .  They sure are sensitive, at least on this board. In fact I am sure these comments will cause the moderators a ton of headache. :cool: :cool: :cool:





Dont get me wrong.  I’ve met some great guys who have been my friends, whether contemporary or over long gaps in time. But I’ve also met a lot of people I’m glad to not cross paths with again.   I’ve never had a new bike. That’s a world I don’t know.

Given the scarcity of Guzzis in general, I’ve spent much more time around the HD crowd at my best friends shop and the events &  rallies we produced over 20+ yrs.  The big twin crowd is typically more about the lifestyle and being seen on a Harley.  The mechanics and more serious gear heads (or at least the ones I know) are more into Sportster/XR platform and actual organized racing.  I have both.  Neither one is the other. If I had to choose between big twin or sportster, I would dump both without hesitation to have my V7 Sport-  No contest, no regrets.

It just bums me out to experience the consistent similar elitist “sportsters suck” type of bias among the significantly smaller numbers of Guzzi people I have encountered.  And just when I think I’ve become old enough and established enough to have moved beyond such trivial crap with an even nicer bike, it happens again.

This all goes to the original query of “where are all the young riders?”  My Guzzi was consistently at the top of my budget when I was young, broke going through divorces and still keeping my bike.  If their opinion really mattered, my bike would be long gone.  It makes me wonder if others were discouraged by similar treatment.  Even now, I post the truth and then have to reiterate what I have experienced. 

But if doing so keeps one person here from being negative to the next person they meet on two wheels, regardless of what marque or how big of a turd that machine is, it will be worth it because maybe they’ll come away with a better perspective of what a Guzzi rider might be.    Lots of people out there can’t afford what they wish they could have or ride or simply weren’t lucky & fortunate enough to have their stars align like some of us have been.  My hope is that me being supportive of what they’re riding at all will keep them on two wheels.  That’s really what matters to me.
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2024, 02:31:22 AM »
I do not think Guzzi owners and riders are much different to those of other brands. There are people you like, dislike and feel indifferent towards regardless of brand. Same with non-riders, for that matter. Also, each of us differ, meaning one person's friend will be the other person's enemy. Personally, I find most people to be OK for a passing chat, regardless of the situation, although there is the odd person that is impossible to gel with in any way. That person will most likely think the same thing about me.
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2024, 06:19:50 AM »
I think that most of us here have an interest in any kind of motorcycle.  It doesn't take much looking to find some interesting aspect of literally any bike and ask the other rider about it.  For me, Sportsters don't suck, my first Harley was a sportster and at the time, there was no way for me to afford a big twin anyway at that time.  Now, that bike had character.
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2024, 09:02:19 AM »
"....the 21-to-24 set, the top reason (to own a motorcycle) was “ease of transportation.”

These younger consumers are much more likely to be attracted to “a lower-priced, lighter weight and lower margin bike”

Most of the people (male) who I'd regularly see riding small blocks in NYC were in the above group.  Talked to a couple of guys who were also selling their SB's because they couldn't keep up with their friends with equal cc bikes and lots more HP.

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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #57 on: August 13, 2024, 12:46:12 PM »
They are working,going to school, getting married, raising families, and taking care of cranky old Guzzi rider relatives  :grin:
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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #58 on: August 13, 2024, 12:59:20 PM »
I think lack of dealership/service is a HUGE factor. You can't expect young riders, especially new riders, to buy a bike that they have to do all of the maintenance on themselves.

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Re: Where are all the young guzzi riders?
« Reply #59 on: August 13, 2024, 04:35:36 PM »
I live in a pretty prospers area, with plenty of good paying jobs for those with a high School diploma.  It gets cold here in the mid west, so ridding season is limited.  I don't see a lot of younger riders, but I suspect I may see more than in many other communities, it's also a college town.   It appears to me that most of the younger riders are riding late model "standards" from the Asian big four.  Most of them look like insects, but they are still what I would call "standards".  Mostly 300 to 800cc from what I can tell.  There is a good scattering of Triumph Bonnie's and Indians for the guys that want to spend a little more, although most of the time the guys have their helmets on so I can't tell the age group for sure, but the way they dress says 20 something.   I have lately also seen a few CF Moto bikes around town.   As for the Guzzi riders in my metro area of 170,000, I know of less than 10, and I'm the second youngest at 57.   There are undoubtedly more that I don't know of, but I bet it's less than 20. 

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