07 Norge Dash Errors

[blackcat]

I have this odd problem with the dash errors on the Norge, they can't be erased and I've disconnected the battery and left it overnight.  And the dash errors are as follows:

01-Imobiliser fault
03-Imobiliser fault antenna broken
04-Imobiliser fault internal control fault
06-Air temperature sensor fault
07-Oil Sensor fault

The bike starts, runs and has no Service or Oil Can warnings.  The oil sensor switch is brand new but I'm going to revisit the wire as I reused the original wire with the nail head fitting and want to change it to a new female fitting for the spade terminal on the switch. 

But the weird part is why the errors can't be erased. If they could be erased and reappear after starting the bike then I'd know they were valid but that is not the case.

This is with the new/used dash which works fine though the rev counter and gas gauge needles are a bit jangly but that is probably my fault from when I reattached the needles to the mounts. 

[SemperVee]

I have this odd problem with the dash errors on the Norge, they can't be erased and I've disconnected the battery and left it overnight.  And the dash errors are as follows:

01-Imobiliser fault
03-Imobiliser fault antenna broken
04-Imobiliser fault internal control fault
06-Air temperature sensor fault
07-Oil Sensor fault

The bike starts, runs and has no Service or Oil Can warnings.  The oil sensor switch is brand new but I'm going to revisit the wire as I reused the original wire with the nail head fitting and want to change it to a new female fitting for the spade terminal on the switch. 

But the weird part is why the errors can't be erased. If they could be erased and reappear after starting the bike then I'd know they were valid but that is not the case.

This is with the new/used dash which works fine though the rev counter and gas gauge needles are a bit jangly but that is probably my fault from when I reattached the needles to the mounts.

I have the same issue exactly - I cannot delete DSB in memory.  No errors showing and even after I replaced the Oil Sensor i unit t still shows up in past memory.  Apparently there is no fix for this. I have stumped Ai with this query only to find no answer to a known oft asked question.  using both dashboard to delete and disconnecting battery failed to re set.

[blackcat]

Thanks SV, I have no memory if these faults were there before I installed the new/used dash so that doesn't help but it's good to know that someone else has this problem.  I'm guessing Guzzidiag cannot erase these codes? I no longer have a PC or Apple laptop to hook up to the bike or I'd give that look.

[PJPR01]

I was about to suggest trying to clear with Guzzidiag…that’s the only other remedy I can think of other than disconnecting the ECU at the back with the two large pin connectors and cleaning the pins with Deoxit but being very careful not to get Deoxit on the rubber seals as they will swell and then not be usable or resealable.

[SemperVee]

Thanks SV, I have no memory if these faults were there before I installed the new/used dash so that doesn't help but it's good to know that someone else has this problem.  I'm guessing Guzzidiag cannot erase these codes? I no longer have a PC or Apple laptop to hook up to the bike or I'd give that look.

  Won't work either.  I have tried Guzzidiag both new and older versions without success. AND I am on a MAC

[blackcat]

Turned on the switch and got a service warning, went to the dash errors and the 07 error was the only thing wrong and successfully erased it! Weird but I have no idea what happened. Maybe just some mating issue with the new dash?

Now I just have to figure out why it’s throwing a warning with a brand new oil switch unless I just got a bad switch.

[blackcat]

The 07 warning came back and now I can't erase the dash error again. Disconnected the battery and will see if that helps, in the meantime I changed the connector to the oil switch but still no good with the warning so I ordered a Duralast PS158 switch. And if that doesn't work, I can either plumb in an oil pressure gauge to make sure the oil pump is working or just open up the front of the engine and see if the pump is broken which I really don't want to do unless I'm sure that it's broken.

[Tom H]

IIRR, if your getting the pressure switch error and NOT the low oil pressure warning, the switch could be stuck in the grounded position. Again, IIRR, the ECU checks to see if the switch is working. If it finds it showing pressure when the engine is not running, it will cause the error. It will also have an error if it stays showing no pressure when running, but then I think it throws the no oil pressure code and warning message as well.

Just some thoughts,
Tom

[blackcat]

IIRR, if your getting the pressure switch error and NOT the low oil pressure warning, the switch could be stuck in the grounded position. Again, IIRR, the ECU checks to see if the switch is working. If it finds it showing pressure when the engine is not running, it will cause the error. It will also have an error if it stays showing no pressure when running, but then I think it throws the no oil pressure code as well.

Just some thoughts,
Tom

Its just showing 07(oil sensor fault) and not the 08-(oil pressure fault) code.   How do I unstick the switch?

[Tom H]

I believe you said it was a new switch/sending unit. IIRR the connector on the top for the wire should not show continuity to the engine block with the engine off and no pressure, then it would when there is pressure. That is how the Loop switches work, I believe the Norge as well.

Unfortunately you have to remove the switch to do this. The only way I think to test it (works with Loop ones) is to check continuity from the wire connector on top to the body of the switch. Then use a small punch or the like and push it in the hole where the oil goes in to activate the switch. Then, at least with an old dirty one, spray it with a parts or carb cleaner and work the switch and test again.

Just some thoughts,
Tom

[Tom H]

Let me make sure I have this clearly stated.

With all Active error codes cleared. You turn on the key but do not start the bike. If you get the sending unit warning the sender is stuck in the position that would say it has oil pressure. If it comes on when you start the bike and get the no oil pressure warning, then it's stuck in the NO pressure mode.

I had to deal with this a number of months ago. It was on a Norge that was built after the oil pump issue bikes. IIRR it was showing the no oil pressure warning when running and it was proved it had oil pressure. Also it had the both oil codes when you read the errors. It was the sender stuck in no pressure mode.

Tom

[blackcat]

Let me make sure I have this clearly stated.

With all Active error codes cleared. You turn on the key but do not start the bike. If you get the sending unit warning the sender is stuck in the position that would say it has oil pressure. If it comes on when you start the bike and get the no oil pressure warning, then it's stuck in the NO pressure mode.

I had to deal with this a number of months ago. It was on a Norge that was built after the oil pump issue bikes. IIRR it was showing the no oil pressure warning when running and it was proved it had oil pressure. Also it had the both oil codes when you read the errors. It was the sender stuck in no pressure mode.

Tom

The code won't clear now for some reason, but the warning light comes on as soon as I turn on the ignition. First thing this morning it started and flipped no warning but after multiple starts it shows the warning so I'm wondering if it's either heat related or something is clogging the switch? I'm going to wait till morning and see what happens, then when I get the new sender I'll test it to make sure everything is OK then remove the old/new one and test it and if doesn't work I'll clean it out and try again. If this doesn't work then I'll plumb in an oil pressure gauge to make sure the oil pump is working which I suspect it is but why take the gamble? While the bike is an 07, it has almost 60K miles and I would assume that if it was one of the bad bunch of oil pumps it would have shown up way before now.

Just to back a minute on the history of the codes on this bike, it was showing an oil can on the dash prior to this current issue but since I purchased the bike new in 07 I've never dropped the pan or the spacer but was told that the gaskets could be compromised and when I removed both of them, the gaskets were broken up. Since installing the new gaskets there is no longer an oil can warning. Now there is just that oil sender code, and the bike has not been ridden since this started. 

[PJPR01]

I'll have to check, but back in 2016 when ITSEC was around he had a bunch of the better connectors at the John Day rally.  I think I still have mine in the plastic ziploc bag...that reminds me that I should probably install it now that I have the tank off and easy access to the oil pressure sending unit.

Hope you find the source of the problem...seems like the Norge brotherhood is dealing with a bunch of electrical issues all at the same time now!

[blackcat]

"....ITSEC was around he had a bunch of the better connectors...."

I've looked at the photo's of those wires but don't quite understand what makes them better than the stock wire? What am I missing?

[PJPR01]

"....ITSEC was around he had a bunch of the better connectors...."

I've looked at the photo's of those wires but don't quite understand what makes them better than the stock wire? What am I missing?

I'll have to dig it out and look, I think it was the way the wire connected to the sensor,  let me take a look tonight when I get home and see if I can decipher it vs. the stock configuration.

[Tom H]

On the code...I'm assuming that your toggling the dash to the Service or the like name and entering the secret Service code to clear the error codes.

Is the "07" error Active code showing cleared when you clear it?

If the Active code is clearing, then you shut down the bike, then you turn on the bike again, the ECU will make the code active again if there is an issue with the sender. I would think that MAY be why it doesn't seem to clear.

Tom

[blackcat]

On the code...I'm assuming that your toggling the dash to the Service or the like name and entering the secret Service code to clear the error codes.

Yes

[/quote]Is the "07" error Active code showing cleared when you clear it?[/quote]

No, under A & M it’s still there

[/quote]If the Active code is clearing, then you shut down the bike, then you turn on the bike again, the ECU will make the code active again if there is an issue with the sender. I would think that MAY be why it doesn't seem to clear.

Tom
[/quote]

Yes, that is what I was assuming. But it did clear the first time this morning and then multiple starts it stopped clearing the code when it showed up again. Obviously I have to solve the sender issue first.

[Tom H]

Hmmm...Hopefully the sender fixes it.

Tom

[Kiwi_Roy]

IIRR, if your getting the pressure switch error and NOT the low oil pressure warning, the switch could be stuck in the grounded position. Again, IIRR, the ECU checks to see if the switch is working. If it finds it showing pressure when the engine is not running, it will cause the error. It will also have an error if it stays showing no pressure when running, but then I think it throws the no oil pressure code and warning message as well.

Just some thoughts,
Tom

You might try removing the wire from the switch and then wipe the insulator with a cloth
I have seen these sensors leaking across the insulator when dirty or with salt spray.