2024 V7 850 vs 2026 V7 850

[msullivan]

Been a while since I been here life got in the way.. So I am trying to get back into the guzzi fold.. I had three at one point ( Cali 1400 custom , V7 Aniversario and the First year of the V85TT) I didn’t have time to ride them at the time so had to sell them 😢. Anyway I’m trying to get back into it and I’m looking at the 2024 and 2026 V7 ( still pondering the V100 and maybe even the dark side R12 base) anyways. There are a lot of options of 2024’s left over for a good price.. I guess my question which has probably been covered at nauseium ..Would you consider the 2026 3-4K better bike than the 2024?

I guess for an example 2024 Special is 7k while the new special is 10.1k w/ the sport being 10.6 of course which I do love along with the Black Emerald painting the special... I know there are electronic upgrades (ie.. cruise control and OEm heated grips and ride modes) and maybe a smidge of performance, I was just wondering what everyone thoughts are between these two.

Appreciate your input!!

[bad Chad]

If it were me, I would buy the 24.   Unless you have your heart set on the Sport, for me the difference between the 24 and 26 is not worth 3-4K.  And I find the 24 Special to look better than the 26.  I don't recall the exact spec differences from 24-26, but I think they are minimal.

[Kev m]

If it were me, I would buy the 24.   Unless you have your heart set on the Sport, for me the difference between the 24 and 26 is not worth 3-4K.  And I find the 24 Special to look better than the 26.  I don't recall the exact spec differences from 24-26, but I think they are minimal.

I couldn't disagree more.

The larger 52mm throttle body and separate ECU make, in my mind, the 26 a much more robust and serviceable EFI system in the long run.

And though I've not seen a 26 in person yet the reports are they are much improved all around.

But I'm not gonna sweat a few grand. If I were then sure I'd settle for older.

[msullivan]

If it were me, I would buy the 24.   Unless you have your heart set on the Sport, for me the difference between the 24 and 26 is not worth 3-4K.  And I find the 24 Special to look better than the 26.  I don't recall the exact spec differences from 24-26, but I think they are minimal.

As from a performance issue if I remember correctly the HP is mainly the same , but the Torque is about 10% more and lower RPM. Talking to some people who has ridden both  they say you can tell it’s a little punchier , but not by much.

[msullivan]

I couldn't disagree more.

The larger 52mm throttle body and separate ECU make, in my mind, the 26 a much more robust and serviceable EFI system in the long run.

And though I've not seen a 26 in person yet the reports are they are much improved all around.

But I'm not gonna sweat a few grand. If I were then sure I'd settle for older.

Reading earlier post I remember you saying the Throttle body is at 52 mm .. and  just did a search the 2024 was 38mm.. that’s a huge difference.. the few grand doesn’t bother me that much on the purchase as I said I’m still Pondering their  V100 at 11.5 and an R12 at 10k.. I’m just saying if I opt for the V7 .. will I lose something going with the 2024. And it might seem the 26 might a major upgrade over the 24..which changes a lot and of course if I do go with the 26 .. the sport is the best option as it’s only 500 dollars more that the Special. With more options.

[Clifton]

Reading earlier post I remember you saying the Throttle body is at 52 mm .. and  just did a search the 2024 was 38mm.. that’s a huge difference.. the few grand doesn’t bother me that much on the purchase....  I’m just saying if I opt for the V7 .. will I lose something going with the 2024....

You're saving on the front end but you'll loose a lot of that when you sell. Beyond the larger TB, more torque, cruise, and whatever else, there's future resale to consider (your true cost is purchase price minus resale). 5 years from now imagine selling a 7 year old motorcycle vs an updated model that is 5 years old.

[blu guzz]

With respect Cliff, when it comes to my hobbies, resale is never on my radar screen even the tiniest bit.  It's only about want.  When the time comes to sell or trade, you get what you get.  Just my opinion. 

[Bulldog9]

I couldn't disagree more.

The larger 52mm throttle body and separate ECU make, in my mind, the 26 a much more robust and serviceable EFI system in the long run.

And though I've not seen a 26 in person yet the reports are they are much improved all around.

But I'm not gonna sweat a few grand. If I were then sure I'd settle for older.

+1

[faffi]

I’m still Pondering their  V100 at 11.5 and an R12 at 10k.. I’m just saying if I opt for the V7 .. will I lose something going with the 2024. And it might seem the 26 might a major upgrade over the 24..which changes a lot and of course if I do go with the 26 .. the sport is the best option as it’s only 500 dollars more that the Special. With more options.

Surely, the BMW R12 Cruiser must be more than 10k? But if Icould choose between an R12 and a V7 at the same price? Not sure what I would pick, I would have to ride them. If you want performance, the V100 is a notch above the rest. In the end, though, only you can tell what you really want

[MikeP996]

"and  just did a search the 2024 was 38mm.. that’s a huge difference.."

But there is no difference worth talking about in the engine performance specs. 

I would buy whichever model I preferred based on appearance/color and/or any changes in electronics, etc if there was something I wanted that was present on the newer model but not on the older one.  I would not pay the money for the newer one solely based on the engine power.  If there was a 10HP increase, that would be different but the power increase stated by MG is more about marketing than a functional performance increase.

[msullivan]

Surely, the BMW R12 Cruiser must be more than 10k? But if Icould choose between an R12 and a V7 at the same price? Not sure what I would pick, I would have to ride them. If you want performance, the V100 is a notch above the rest. In the end, though, only you can tell what you really want

Faffi

fyi..As of now you can purchase a new 2024 R12 base for 9995 (that 7 k off msrp) with the719 package the two other colors are a little less… It’s a very tough decision right now.

[Kev m]

"and  just did a search the 2024 was 38mm.. that’s a huge difference.."

But there is no difference worth talking about in the engine performance specs. 

I would buy whichever model I preferred based on appearance/color and/or any changes in electronics, etc if there was something I wanted that was present on the newer model but not on the older one.  I would not pay the money for the newer one solely based on the engine power.  If there was a 10HP increase, that would be different but the power increase stated by MG is more about marketing than a functional performance increase.

To be clear my comments on the throttle body and NOW SEPARATE ECU have nothing to do with HP and everything to do with serviceability.

Though I'll add the ride by wire and cruise control are also benefits of the change.

[MikeP996]

Good point re serviceability!  My biggest issue with the current V7s is that there doesn't appear to be a model available with the twin gauges.  As far as the other add-ons, I have cruise control on my BMW R1200RS and doubt that I've used it five times since I bought the bike new in '17! But, of course it depends on how/where you are using the bike and the roads/traffic.

[Moparnut72]

I haven't ridden a '24 or '25 but the difference between a V7lll and a '26 is substantial in power and suspension. On my '26 low speed fueling in the two bottom gears is not good, surging is quite strong but I trying different riding styles to see if it gets better. I still have only 500 miles on it though so we shall see if it gets better. It behaves just like my 1400 did, just needs to live above 3k rpm.
kk

[Kev m]

Good point re serviceability!  My biggest issue with the current V7s is that there doesn't appear to be a model available with the twin gauges.  As far as the other add-ons, I have cruise control on my BMW R1200RS and doubt that I've used it five times since I bought the bike new in '17! But, of course it depends on how/where you are using the bike and the roads/traffic.

The twin gauges are gone (and if member serves the same can be said on all or most of the new BMW R9T and R12 and R12 Nine T).

But I believe all the 850's at least include tach as an selectable display setting on the single cluster. At least I thought I read that, might want to double check me in that one.

I don't have a tach on my V7III and it bugs me to this day. Not enough to install an aftermarket unit yet, but it bugs me. I could live with a tach display on the odo LCD.

[faffi]

I can live sans rev counter, but the I find the current instrument on the v7 to be rather ugly. Not nearly as ugly as the current trend of TFT-screens, though. Give me analogue clocks every day of the week, please.

[Clifton]

With respect Cliff, when it comes to my hobbies, resale is never on my radar screen even the tiniest bit.  It's only about want.  When the time comes to sell or trade, you get what you get.  Just my opinion.

My post was directed to the OP.

But if cost isn't any consideration for you that's great.

[Tkelly]

I am always leery about new and improved features on Guzzis and would not buy one until folks have been riding them for a couple years.

[blu guzz]

"My post was directed to the OP.

But if cost isn't any consideration for you that's great"

Does make me sound like an arrogant asshole doesn't it. 
Let me expound.  Cost is definitely a factor for me when making any purchase.  If I think something is too much money for the value it gives or if I don't have the money at the time, I let it pass.  But, when I make the commitment to purchase, I leave resale out of the calculus.  I hope that further information repairs my reputation. I think that original post was first thing in the morning, I sound not post then.

[Clifton]

Let me expound.  Cost is definitely a factor for me when making any purchase.  If I think something is too much money for the value it gives or if I don't have the money at the time, I let it pass.  But, when I make the commitment to purchase, I leave resale out of the calculus.  I hope that further information repairs my reputation. I think that original post was first thing in the morning, I sound not post then.

Blu, I'm just trying to understand how resale on something like *most* motorcycle, car, home, purchases isn't an important component of cost?

I guess I look at it as cost to own vs cost of initial outlay . Obviously disregard if buying your forever motorcycle.

 Anyway back to 2024 vs 2026. 

[buck]

If resale value is a concern I don’t know why anyone would buy a new Guzzi, at least in North America.
Even worse, right now the bike market is very soft. But still, most brands fare better on the used market than Guzzis do.

[Kev m]

Blu, I'm just trying to understand how resale on something like *most* motorcycle, car, home, purchases isn't an important component of cost?

Woah, it's hard enough to compare the purchase price of an automobile in the us today (~$50k) to that of a motorcycle (~$13k), but comparing either to a house seems ridiculous.

If there's one of those three I can completely ignore the resale on, it's clearly the bike.

But let's be honest, car or bike, they are depreciating assets and a completely different thing than real estate.

I've been lucky with some high resale value bikes and autos on my life, but I've also given away a Harley. Count me in on not even considering resale value on toys.

[kingoffleece]

I may buy another new Guzzi-don't really know-but I know for SURE if I do it'll be a leftover.  Every year there are great deals to be had.
Twice I paid for a new Guzzi during the current model year.  Never again.  LOVE the bikes , and, well, you got it from here..............


I will say that I just cannot imagine getting rid of my 2001 Jackal-it's simply perfect.  And the 2022 V85 is a great multi day or long day ride bike.  Everything is covered for me.  I'd LIKE a few more-at one time not too long ago it was 5 in the stable, but downsizing means only room for two.  And, they work so well I'm really set up so no REAL need to change.  SURE DO miss my 2015 Heron Head though.

[Clifton]

I may buy another new Guzzi-don't really know-but I know for SURE if I do it'll be a leftover.  Every year there are great deals to be had.
Twice I paid for a new Guzzi during the current model year.  Never again......

Yep year old leftovers at substantial savings are attractive. Especially when there're hardly any change other than color. Demos as well, they generally only have the mileage that you'd put on a new one in a day or two.

[Moparnut72]

I have a '26 Special. The tach is on the display at all times. Unfortunately it doesn't come with the gas gauge. I am guessing it might be able to be added as the Sport has one. At one time my dash lit up showing one briefly but I haven't seen it since. It would probably require the mechanism in the tank and a flash. Probably quite expensive so it most likely won't happen in my case as much as I would like one. Another question do the '24's and '25's have the catalytic converters in the mufflers or a separate one under the bike. The mufflers on the '26's have a different look and sound. Also do the 24's and 25's have ride by wire or not with cruise control. I have been getting conflicting information.
kk

[Rons]

I have a '26 Special. The tach is on the display at all times. Unfortunately it doesn't come with the gas gauge. I am guessing it might be able to be added as the Sport has one. At one time my dash lit up showing one briefly but I haven't seen it since. It would probably require the mechanism in the tank and a flash. Probably quite expensive so it most likely won't happen in my case as much as I would like one. Another question do the '24's and '25's have the catalytic converters in the mufflers or a separate one under the bike. The mufflers on the '26's have a different look and sound. Also do the 24's and 25's have ride by wire or not with cruise control. I have been getting conflicting information.
kk

does the 2026 exhaust sound better or worse than the 24/25?

[MikeP996]

I found that the MG DEALER doesn't know what's available!  I am thinking of buying another Guzzi to keep/ride in the US - my '21 V7 Special "lives" in the UK.  I contacted an MG dealer in the town where we live in the USA and he couldn't tell me what options were available.  Several things he said were at odds with the current on-line info from MG.  Best example was that he said the current Special had the option of dual gauges.  So it seems that if I want a more current V7 I'm stuck with that digital gauge :(  Further, I don't like the colors of the current Sport, HATE the flat finish of the Stone, and the Special no longer looks "special" to me without the chrome (looking) wheel rims and the dual gauges.  The Mondello is intriguing but I have a BMW R1200RS and the Mondello - from all the utube stuff Ive reviewed - seems pretty much the same bike - though a bit heavier and less power than the BMW.  The dealer has a "new" Navale Mondello at a good price but, I don't care for that trim/color...and the weight.  Might have to just find another used '21 (blue) Special though I'd prefer NOT having two identical bikes, even if they are 4918.24 miles apart (thanks, Google Earth). :)

[DaGootz]

Been a while since I been here life got in the way.. So I am trying to get back into the guzzi fold.. I had three at one point ( Cali 1400 custom , V7 Aniversario and the First year of the V85TT) I didn’t have time to ride them at the time so had to sell them 😢. Anyway I’m trying to get back into it and I’m looking at the 2024 and 2026 V7 ( still pondering the V100 and maybe even the dark side R12 base) anyways. There are a lot of options of 2024’s left over for a good price.. I guess my question which has probably been covered at nauseium ..Would you consider the 2026 3-4K better bike than the 2024?

I guess for an example 2024 Special is 7k while the new special is 10.1k w/ the sport being 10.6 of course which I do love along with the Black Emerald painting the special... I know there are electronic upgrades (ie.. cruise control and OEm heated grips and ride modes) and maybe a smidge of performance, I was just wondering what everyone thoughts are between these two.

Appreciate your input!!

For me, I always choose cruise control....hands down.

[Moparnut72]

does the 2026 exhaust sound better or worse than the 24/25?

I can't say as I haven't heard a '24 or '25 I don't believe. The '26 has a very unique sound. It sounds like it has a really lumpy cam at idle. Going down the road it sounds very nice, not real loud but a very pleasant sound. How do you describe sound? I don't live in a rich motorcycle environment so I can't compare it to anything else. I think the exhaust system is totally new from the headers back but I just don't know.
kk

[Kev m]

I have a '26 Special. The tach is on the display at all times.

 

Another question do the '24's and '25's have the catalytic converters in the mufflers or a separate one under the bike. The mufflers on the '26's have a different look and sound.

I can't say with absolute certainty but the parts books and the images I've seen of the earlier 850s all LOOK like the cats are in the mufflers and NOT the crossover. I've read that's changed with the new exhaust on your bike.

Also do the 24's and 25's have ride by wire or not with cruise control. I have been getting conflicting information.
kk

The 24 and 25's in the US and probably all of NA (maybe even worldwide) still used the cable driven Marelli MIU G4 combination ECU/Throttle body.

https://www.af1racing.com/v7-e5-850cc-oem-parts-catalogs

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The change to the V85 11 MP throttle body didn't occur until the new 26 models. And that brought the RBW, and the cruise, and the different exhaust systems and a whole bunch of other changes.