Author Topic: California 1400 Merged Threadfest (Read 855272 times)

tjfdesmo · « **Reply #270 on:** November 06, 2009, 09:01:17 PM »

Quote from: Greg Field on November 05, 2009, 08:48:30 AM

Quote from: Seagondollar on November 04, 2009, 10:36:17 PM
So Greg - They should call it the Texas? ::)

I was thinking New Jersey.

Cool, what exit? ;D Land area aside, California is very much like New Jersey, but with nicer weather...

motoguzzler · « **Reply #271 on:** November 08, 2009, 02:47:30 AM »

Hi iv just read roomers about the new California 1400cc/1600cc that MotoGuzzi may be sending a prototype to the Milan motorcycle show I think in november or December, as I'm in the market for a new Cali for Xmas any suggestions as to when it may be released if ever Mind you I still fancy the current model cali classic, any suggestions Buy the current Cali or what for the new Cali this is the BIG problem I face :Currently very happy owner of a Nevada <divclass="msgbox">Nofilesuploaded!</div>

rocker59 · « **Reply #272 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:10:25 AM »

Quote from: motoguzzler on November 08, 2009, 02:47:30 AM

Hi iv just read roomers about the new California 1400cc/1600cc that MotoGuzzi may be sending a prototype to the Milan motorcycle show I think in november or December, as I'm in the market for a new Cali for Xmas any suggestions as to when it may be released if ever Mind you I still fancy the current model cali classic, any suggestions Buy the current Cali or what for the new Cali this is the BIG problem I face :Currently very happy owner of a Nevada <divclass="msgbox">Nofilesuploaded!</div>

Coming up this week. EICMA - Milan. We should be getting pics by the 11th, I'd imagine.

Atlanta Guzzi · « **Reply #273 on:** November 10, 2009, 04:50:49 PM »

I searched the web off and on today for photos of the new 1400 California which was rumored to be at EICMA. Unfortunately...no luck. :(

To be honest, if I was running the marketing plan for the EICMA show for Moto Guzzi I wouldn't display the new California on the first day if I had the prototype for the new V12 to unveil. Let the V12 get all the buzz for a day or two, then show the 1400 California later in the week.

Hopefully that's what Moto Guzzi is thinking, and we'll see the new Cali soon.

If someone finds a photo please post it!

bad Chad · « **Reply #274 on:** November 10, 2009, 04:59:38 PM »

That's exactly what I was thinking, make the fun last!

ptrkbeam · « **Reply #275 on:** November 10, 2009, 11:01:31 PM »

Yeah, make all of us old-fashioned, living-in-the-past folks wait! ;)
The new white bike is growing on me but I'm really more interested in a "modern" traditional looking bike from Guzzi.
Surely there's a market for one, isn't there? Is piag paying attention to the marketing and support side, too?

ronjon · « **Reply #276 on:** November 11, 2009, 08:15:29 AM »

Quote from: Atlanta Guzzi on November 10, 2009, 04:50:49 PM

I searched the web off and on today for photos of the new 1400 California which was rumored to be at EICMA. Unfortunately...no luck. :(

To be honest, if I was running the marketing plan for the EICMA show for Moto Guzzi I wouldn't display the new California on the first day if I had the prototype for the new V12 to unveil. Let the V12 get all the buzz for a day or two, then show the 1400 California later in the week.

Hopefully that's what Moto Guzzi is thinking, and we'll see the new Cali soon.

If someone finds a photo please post it!

If I read this correctly they will show it on Thursday......

These teaser images of design sketches of the machine have just been posted on the Moto Guzzi website (www.motoguzzi.it) and announce that “A revolutionary new machine designed by ex-Ducati designer Pierre Terrblanche will be unveiled at the Milan Show this Thursday”. The images clearly show an aggressive, sports orientated machine in traditional Moto Guzzi livery and using the Mandello marque’s trademark, across-the-frame V-twin.

jsh1120 · « **Reply #277 on:** November 11, 2009, 08:21:16 AM »

Quote from: ronjon on November 11, 2009, 08:15:29 AM

Quote from: Atlanta Guzzi on November 10, 2009, 04:50:49 PM

I searched the web off and on today for photos of the new 1400 California which was rumored to be at EICMA. Unfortunately...no luck. :(

To be honest, if I was running the marketing plan for the EICMA show for Moto Guzzi I wouldn't display the new California on the first day if I had the prototype for the new V12 to unveil. Let the V12 get all the buzz for a day or two, then show the 1400 California later in the week.

Hopefully that's what Moto Guzzi is thinking, and we'll see the new Cali soon.

If someone finds a photo please post it!

If I read this correctly they will show it on Thursday......

These teaser images of design sketches of the machine have just been posted on the Moto Guzzi website (www.motoguzzi.it) and announce that “A revolutionary new machine designed by ex-Ducati designer Pierre Terrblanche will be unveiled at the Milan Show this Thursday”. The images clearly show an aggressive, sports orientated machine in traditional Moto Guzzi livery and using the Mandello marque’s trademark, across-the-frame V-twin.

I'm skeptical, but remain hopeful. I think we've seen Terrblanche's contributions already. And frankly, I'm somewhat terrified at the prospect of what he would consider to be a good cruiser design. (I actually like the guy's designs, but turning him loose on a redesign of the California line strikes me as heresy.)

I do think that given the pre-show speculation about a 1400cc MG, unless it's either introduced or a firm date for its introduction is announced, MG risks some very bad press.

mikebui · « **Reply #278 on:** November 11, 2009, 09:17:12 AM »

I would buy Guzzi cruiser with tubeless wheels (must have), outside oil filter and 200+ miles tank. If not I’ll keep riding my EV.

Greg Field · « **Reply #279 on:** November 11, 2009, 09:57:53 AM »

Quote from: jsh1120 on November 11, 2009, 08:21:16 AM

I'm skeptical, but remain hopeful. I think we've seen Terrblanche's contributions already. And frankly, I'm somewhat terrified at the prospect of what he would consider to be a good cruiser design. (I actually like the guy's designs, but turning him loose on a redesign of the California line strikes me as heresy.)

I do think that given the pre-show speculation about a 1400cc MG, unless it's either introduced or a firm date for its introduction is announced, MG risks some very bad press.

There's no need for terror. From what I saw, anyway.

jsh1120 · « **Reply #280 on:** November 11, 2009, 10:21:22 AM »

Quote from: Greg Field on November 11, 2009, 09:57:53 AM

Quote from: jsh1120 on November 11, 2009, 08:21:16 AM
I'm skeptical, but remain hopeful. I think we've seen Terrblanche's contributions already. And frankly, I'm somewhat terrified at the prospect of what he would consider to be a good cruiser design. (I actually like the guy's designs, but turning him loose on a redesign of the California line strikes me as heresy.)

I do think that given the pre-show speculation about a 1400cc MG, unless it's either introduced or a firm date for its introduction is announced, MG risks some very bad press.

There's no need for terror. From what I saw, anyway.

Best news I've heard today, Greg. ;D Despite my comment above, I have to say that Terreblanche bashing (which is apparently endemic among some Ducatistas as well as others) ignores the fact that a good designer (and he certainly is one) takes a fresh eye to each new project. Assuming that a designer imposes a personal viewpoint on a design regardless of the objective of that design is simply silly. I wasn't a fan of the Ducati 999 but I found the ST4 to be a beautiful bike.

So if Terreblanche comes up with (or contributes to) the design for the (still rumored) 1400 cc cruiser, I'll approach it without preconceptions.

Atlanta Guzzi · « **Reply #281 on:** March 18, 2010, 10:22:52 AM »

Prior to the show in Milan several folks on this board were hoping to see the rumored 1400 California, which may also include an upgraded charging system, better gearbox, and various other goodies strapped onto a new frame (some thought MG might might use the Griso frame but only time will tell).

I did a quick search of recent threads and couldn't find any new info, but you just never know. Thread drift is practically an art form on this board! :D

So, does anyone have something new to share? Greg? Dealers? Industry Spies? ;)

Thanks!

Greg Field · « **Reply #282 on:** March 18, 2010, 01:55:11 PM »

Nothing new for me to report. I only got to see drawings, last fall.

HDGoose · « **Reply #283 on:** March 18, 2010, 02:32:19 PM »

Don't worry. The USA will get it about 2 years after Europe does.

Seagondollar · « **Reply #284 on:** March 18, 2010, 02:53:41 PM »

Found it on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNgM_uzzj74

Seagondollar · « **Reply #285 on:** January 27, 2011, 03:13:43 PM »

Just got my March Motorcyclist magazine. And on page 20 is an article by Alan Cathcart about a new liquid cooled Guzzi engine expected to debut in 2013. Key elements? LC, the longitudinal V twin we expect, but DOHC, Euro 4 compliant, 3 valve per cylinder (2 in, 1 out) cylinders canted forward 20 degrees for weight bias and leg room. To be in a new Le Mans, a streetfighter, and an adventure tourer.

Hell of a time to be forced to stop riding bikes!

Kev m · « **Reply #286 on:** January 27, 2011, 03:18:03 PM »

So the characteristic longitudinal crank / transvese cylinders, but the cylinders are canted FORWARD ???

Wouldn't that point the crankshaft upward putting an awkward bend in the driveline?

Seagondollar · « **Reply #287 on:** January 27, 2011, 03:20:41 PM »

Rumor morphing into reality?

Seagondollar · « **Reply #288 on:** January 27, 2011, 03:50:45 PM »

Why not put the intakes in the V and the exhaust outside?

FASTFREDDY · « **Reply #289 on:** January 27, 2011, 05:05:41 PM »

Exactly. ???

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #290 on:** January 27, 2011, 05:13:54 PM »

Translated from a Greek site, cross posted from GT..

- V2 90 degrees, 1200cc, shaftie
- Designed from scratch
- Euro 4 compliant (implemented in 2014, difficult for air cooled engines to conform)
- DOHC,4 valves, cams driven by mixed chain-gear system
- Tilted 8 degrees towards front end to provide legroom and more weight to the front wheel (were hopping for 15 degrees but the shaft drive had problems)
- To be presented at EICMA in November 2012
- Chief engineer Federico Martini
- To be manufactured at Pontedera and freighted to Mandello del Lario assembly line
- Originally conceived as a 3 valve but performance not good enough

Skeeve · « **Reply #291 on:** January 27, 2011, 06:07:43 PM »

Still makes no sense whatsoever to build a LC V-twin & mount it transversely so the cylinders are out in the wind... ::)

Pescara · « **Reply #292 on:** January 27, 2011, 06:08:50 PM »

Quote from: Skeeve on January 27, 2011, 06:07:43 PM

Still makes no sense whatsoever to build a LC V-twin & mount it transversely so the cylinders are out in the wind... ::)

The whole thing sounds stupid to me. Top heavy, complicated, and built by the scooter guys.

Big Block Jon · « **Reply #293 on:** January 27, 2011, 06:20:57 PM »

Quote

makes no sense whatsoever to build a LC V-twin & mount it transversely

(a) it doesn't hurt anything.

(b) assuming shaft-drive, it avoids the necessity for a right-angle gear transfer from the crank-shaft.

cruzziguzzi · « **Reply #294 on:** January 27, 2011, 07:10:53 PM »

Cool, I at last have a reason to put a trailer hitch on my bubble car! ;-T Wait, scratch that as my future car hasn't been built yet either.

I'll just be happy that Guzzi's still selling bikes in 2013.

gentlemanjim · « **Reply #295 on:** January 28, 2011, 02:45:29 AM »

Sounds good to me, building for the future. It illustrates that Guzzi will go on and the mark needs a bit of freshening. Liquid cooling is inevitable for noise and emission compliance. I love old bikes and new cars, but Guzzi can't servive on supporting the used bike market. Now just get us a dealer network.

Terry Reedy · « **Reply #296 on:** January 28, 2011, 05:41:21 AM »

Quote from: Kev m on January 27, 2011, 03:18:03 PM

So the characteristic longitudinal crank / transvese cylinders, but the cylinders are canted FORWARD ???

Wouldn't that point the crankshaft upward putting an awkward bend in the driveline?

I caught that too, sounds like BS / maybe both rod ends will have CV joints ~; ~; ~;

gentlemanjim · « **Reply #297 on:** January 28, 2011, 06:01:54 AM »

As Chuck in Indiania reported: "Tilted 8 degrees towards front end to provide legroom and more weight to the front wheel (were hoping for 15 degrees but the shaft drive had problems)"

CV joints would be a great idea, but how many degrees does a swing arm rotate through with out problems to "U" joints? So I doubt the tilted engine is an issue.

Let's not take pop shots and re-engineer what the boys at Guzzi are attemping to do make this bike more marketable and competitive.

Kev m · « **Reply #298 on:** January 28, 2011, 06:36:19 AM »

No pot shots here, just trying to understand, not that it matters since I won't buy a watercooled bike as long as there is an air cooled alternative...

leafman60 · « **Reply #299 on:** January 28, 2011, 07:06:10 AM »

Yeah, I read that magazine tidbit. Who knows what they're gonna do. I don't wanna see water cooling either. Big ugly radiator, plumbing, all that.

Apparently, BMW isn't yet drinking from that cup. The little info we get out of the germans is that they plan to continue development of the air/oil-cooled boxer for several years. Yes, there has been talk about BMW going wet but nothing official.

I don't buy the "air-cooling can't meet specs" argument. I can remember hearing that about Harleys for 25 years.

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