Motus merged threadfest

[blackcat]

 What info , price , warranty , delivery time ? Like I said , not really available .

  Dusty

Bring your checkbook and take it home today:

http://www.adventuremotorsportsofnwf.com/default.asp?page=xNewInventoryDetail&id=1354821&p=2&s=Year&d=D&t=new&fr=xNewInventory

[oldbike54]

Bring your checkbook and take it home today:

http://www.adventuremotorsportsofnwf.com/default.asp?page=xNewInventoryDetail&id=1354821&p=2&s=Year&d=D&t=new&fr=xNewInventory

 Will they take a hot check ? 

  Dusty

[blackcat]

Will they take a hot check ? 

  Dusty

You can trade something in(not a Guzzi) and they can finance the balance.

[Lannis]

Even if you can't pay for it ?

  Dusty

ESPECIALLY if you can't pay for it.      That's the very definition of "finance it".   

"I don't have the money and don't have any way of paying for it but I want it anyway so can I make a promise and take it with me?"

Lannis

[bpreynolds]

Even if you can't pay for it ?

  Dusty

M - Mister
O - Oldbike54
T - Totally
U - Underfunded
S - Senior

[oldbike54]

M - Mister
O - Oldbike54
T - Totally
U - Underfunded
S - Senior

 Hey , SENIOR ? Come on now 

  Dusty

[canuguzzi]

The newer ADV bikes are more ST or what would be an evolution of them than anything going off road. Take that BMW R1000XR with the inverted forks. Not something to take where anything harder than moss might fly up and hit something.

Seems ADV bikes are just ST bikes with a different genre designation and some very slight cosmetic changes. They sure aren't lighter, more agile and given the way they are designwd , for the most part not really off road capable anymore than the typical SUV could be called an off road vehicle.

[rocker59]

The newer ADV bikes are more ST or what would be an evolution of them than anything going off road. Take that BMW S1000XR with the inverted forks. Not something to take where anything harder than moss might fly up and hit something.

Seems ADV bikes are just ST bikes with a different genre designation and some very slight cosmetic changes. They sure aren't lighter, more agile and given the way they are designwd , for the most part not really off road capable anymore than the typical SUV could be called an off road vehicle.

There have definitely become two types of ADVbike.

The ADVstyled sport-touring bikes with short travel suspensions and cast wheels are really coming on.  Seems this was started by Triumph with their 1050 Tigers, and then came the V-stroms.  Kawasaki's Versys.  The current Multistrada 1200 and BMW S1000XR are definitely high performance sport-touring bikes with Adventure bike styling.

The traditional ADVbike still exists.  These bikes have six-inches, or more, of suspension travel and narrower wheels/tires with more off-pavement orientation.  Some of these bikes have 8-inches of suspension travel.  Starting with the KLR and working up through the BMW and Triumph 800s, then the Super Tenere and KTMS.  Finally, the big boys, the BMW R-GS and Guzzi Stelvio.

It's amazing that the Adventure Touring segment, as small as it is, has such a wide variety of machines occupying the space.  I think a big contributor is that "sport-touring" is being absorbed by "Adventure Touring".  A lot of sport-touring riders went to ADVbikes for the more comfortable seating, but were disappointment with the on-road manners/capabilities of the existing bikes. The OEMS have responded by putting more street-oriented suspension and wheels/tires on the bikes to give these riders the seating they want with the on-road manners they want.

I guess there's room for both, but I hate that the line has blurred like it has. 

[kirby1923]

Yes and there are one hell of allot of "dirt roads" that offer a whole new appreciation for the single tracker!!
And no LEOs'
Try it if you dare and you will like it!


mike

[Dean Rose]

If any of you haven't suffered from longterm memory loss. You will remember that when they showed the first one of the Stelvios I said it would make a great touring bike.


Dean

[davevv]

Contrary to Dusty's claim that these bikes aren't really available, this one came home to my garage today.

[rboe]

Well, it ain't real until you can take 'em to a rally! 

[Lannis]

Contrary to Dusty's claim that these bikes aren't really available, this one came home to my garage today.

Wow!

That's one nice looking bike ... let us know how it gets on ....

Lannis

[oldbike54]

Contrary to Dusty's claim that these bikes aren't really available, this one came home to my garage today.

 OK OK , so they are available now  Congratulations  looks like a nice bike 

  Dusty

[rocker59]

Dave needs to brang that thang up to Talihina and show y'all somethin'

[oldbike54]

Dave needs to brang that thang up to Talihina and show y'all somethin'

 

 Yup , we will give that purdy thang a good ol Okie mountain work out 

  Dusty

[blackcat]

Congrats, I really enjoyed my test ride. Very nice bike, good luck.

[Chuck in Indiana]

Congrats, Dave!  I'd look good on that. Do they make em in green? 

[davevv]

Talihina is a possibility, but I have other things in the works for that weekend as well.  Just have to see how everything works out.

And sorry Chuck, but they don't come in green.  Red, blue, or silver for the MST.  Black, white, or bronze for the MST/R.

[jas67]

Yeah.  The sport-touring segment is being diminished by the road-oriented ADVbike category.

More upright ergos for the old farts who still like to sport-tour.

BMW's new R1000XR being the latest shot across the bow of "traditional" sport-touring motorcycles.

Even Ducati killed the ST line in favor of the more road-going version of the Multistrada with Testastretta engine.

There are still quite a few bikes in the Sport Touring sector, to name a few:
Moto Guzzi Norge
BMW has the R1200RT (more tour than sport), R1200RS and the F800GT
Honda ST1300 and VFR800 Interceptor (If it had shaft or belt drive, I'd be interested)
Yamaha FJR
Kawasaki Concours 1400, Ninja 1000

[oldbike54]

There are still quite a few bikes in the Sport Touring sector, to name a few:
Moto Guzzi Norge
BMW has the R1200RT (more tour than sport), R1200RS and the F800GT
Honda ST1300 and VFR800 Interceptor (If it had shaft or belt drive, I'd be interested)
Yamaha FJR
Kawasaki Concours 1400, Ninja 1000

 Also the K1300 GT

 Still , that is a tough segment to crack , as Honda learned with the VFR 1200 .
 
  Dusty

[Lannis]

There are still quite a few bikes in the Sport Touring sector, to name a few:
Moto Guzzi Norge
BMW has the R1200RT (more tour than sport), R1200RS and the F800GT
Honda ST1300 and VFR800 Interceptor (If it had shaft or belt drive, I'd be interested)
Yamaha FJR
Kawasaki Concours 1400, Ninja 1000

And possibly the most capable bike of this group, the Triumph Trophy ....

[rocker59]

There are still quite a few bikes in the Sport Touring sector, to name a few:
 

I know that a lot of people consider the sport-touring segment to be a lot broader than I do.  Especially the guys with 600-700 touring bikes that are kind of nimble.

Once a bike gets past 600 lbs, I don't really consider it sport-touring.  Just touring. 

The essence of sport-touring is a "sport bike with bags".  The Ducati ST line exemplified that essence. 

This MOTUS is its rightful successor.  But the market for sport bikes with bags is diminishing as the riders migrate to street-oriented ADVtouring bikes.  Some are beginning to call them "Adventure Sport Touring" bikes.

FJR is right at that 600-lbs figure, and is real popular with the LD crowd.  But, the number of them that have been "dark sided" tells the tale.  They're a touring bike first.

Just like the ADVbike market is getting muddied up with both traditional long-travel suspensions and DS tires, and short-travel suspensions and street tires, the "sport-touring" market was muddied years ago by  600+ lbs touring bikes which were called "sport touring" to make them sound sexier and sell better.

There are two definite ADVbike segments:  Bikes with narrow tires and 6"+ suspension, and bikes with wide tires and < 6"  suspensions.

There have, for years, been two definite sport-touring segments:  400-550 lbs sport bikes with bags, and 550-750 touring bikes that handle pretty good.

To bad they can't be differentiated better.  A Ducati ST4S and a MOTUS MST aren't really related very closely to Yamaha's FJR1300 and Honda's ST1300. 

SPORT-touring is dying.  The hard-charging riders who rode sportbikes, and transitioned to SPORT-touring bikes to extend their range, are now transitioning to the "Adventure Sport Touring" bikes for the more upright seating.

sport-TOURING bikes seem to be soldiering on.  The light-heavyweights of the touring class.  Touring riders who want a bike with all the comforts of their Lincoln Towncar, but in a slightly smaller and slightly sportier package than a Goldwing. 

[rboe]

Perhaps, because as a group, we're aging and either can't put with uncompromising seating and riding position or won't put up with it anymore. As we age there are many things were we say "been there done that, don't need to prove anything anymore". Or we get soft.

I've seen too many friends get larger too. Unwilling or unable to keep the weight off (some of us are blessed with more willing genes than others, luck of the draw) need a bike capable of handling the extra mass. sigh.

My Griso can carry soft bags (I have two flavors) so once tarted up for a rally or trip I consider her a sport tourer - wth the rider being less sporty than the bike. My idea of hard charging is pretty tame compared to others (comparing chicken strips, my hard charging is more some others - at least at slow speed  ).

Or do you want to just include hardbags?

[Lannis]

Perhaps, because as a group, we're aging and either can't put with uncompromising seating and riding position or won't put up with it anymore.

That's me for sure.   At some point, I figured out "Why should I try to make myself fit in the space that some tiny test rider said 'Yeah, this'll work' for mile after mile of discomfort.  This is MY bike, not his!"

Lannis

[Chuck in Indiana]

There have, for years, been two definite sport-touring segments:  400-550 lbs sport bikes with bags,

That's what the Aero Lario is all about, Rocker..
BTW, this is the currently being restored Old Taylor distillery near Frankfort, Ky.. an unusual piece of architecture. I have several pix if you're interested.

[rocker59]

do you want to just include hardbags?

No. I was introduced to SPORT-touring by guys on Ducati Supersports with soft bags thrown over their solo tails.

[blackcat]

No. I was introduced to SPORT-touring by guys on Ducati Supersports with soft bags thrown over their solo tails.

I did a long (somewhat complicated) trip on the CX to the National. Mixed freeway and secondary roads and those soft bags didn't leak a bit in some driving rains. Kind of amazing how that little Lemans I fairing works.

[kirb]

Also the K1300 GT
 Still , that is a tough segment to crack , as Honda learned with the VFR 1200 .
  Dusty

Honda blew it with that bike. Tiny tank, acc only luggage that was $$$, horrible ergos, long for a sport bike...decent tech with the optional DCT, but the bike was too expensive. You can still buy them new if you look. That same drive train in a better ST bike would help replace the ST1300.

[rocker59]

That's what the Aero Lario is all about, Rocker..
BTW, this is the currently being restored Old Taylor distillery near Frankfort, Ky.. an unusual piece of architecture. I have several pix if you're interested.

 

My paternal family came from Kentucky to Arkansas about 100 years ago.  They'd been there forever, so I'm probably related to all the Taylors in Kentucky.  Need to do more genealogy, but that's what it's looking like.  In the early 1800s, it wasn't too crowded.  Got the heck out of Virginia, when it got too crowded, and moved to new land...  LOL!