Ducati Scrambler merged threadfest

[pauldaytona]

It could take duc monster sales. And the looks are very much like the small yamaha bikes from 30 years ago.

[CND]

More pics and official vid.

http://www.motociclismo.it/ducati-scrambler-2015-piu-che-una-moto-uno-stile-di-vita-moto-59816

Can't wait to take this for a spin. Looks like a blast  ;D

[CND]

Of course you know this is deliberate, right? Ducati will be selling their "Termignoni high-mount shotgun scrambler exhaust" for a cool $2,200 (w/ECU & air filter, of course)... And will lump it into your payments - for uhhhh convenience! How nice of them...

And I bet they sound glorious $$$!

 :)

By the way those pegs look a bit slippery. Tack on new rearsets too . . . .  ;-T

[Penderic]

Someone over at ADV posted some prices for the scrambler - basically very reasonable, except in Mexico!  ???
Must be a transcription mistake or the wrong currency conversion!

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2015 Ducati Scrambler Pricing (MSRP)
Icon Red $8,495 (USA), $9,295 (Canada), $129,990 (Mexico); Icon Yellow $8,595 (USA), $9,395 (Canada), $131,490 (Mexico)
Full Throttle $9,995 (USA), $10,995 (Canada), $149,990 (Mexico)
Urban Enduro $9,995 (USA), $10,995 (Canada), $149,990 (Mexico)
Classic $9,995 (USA), $10,995 (Canada), $149,990 (Mexico)

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/201...ons-available/

[drlapo]

Ducati makes the Scrambler = +++
we get the Indian Scout = --------------

[tiger_one]

Oh my, the aircooled 796 motor and 170kg.  I just got rid of the HyperStrada!  When is this going to stop?

[Rick T.]

And I bet they sound glorious $$$!

 :)

By the way those pegs look a bit slippery. Tack on new rearsets too . . . .  ;-T

If you get one of these, I may have to call you my brothah from another mothah...

[segesta]

Trivia fact: the "dollar sign" ($) was originally the "peso sign." Way Back When, the USA took the symbol of the S with a line through it from the Mexicans. So those prices in Mexico aren't quite as ridiculous as they appear. :-)

[gooseontheloose]

I like it.

I like this more though...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX-Z4-1d0pw&feature=share

http://www.borile.it/it/moto/b450scrambler

[Penderic]

Never seen one of those. Looks right cept the reverse mounted engine looks like it was swapped in.  ;)

[TalkingGriso]

Frickin' homerun.  And in Tenni Green, too?   Ducati is really in tune with the market.  I say they sell all they can make.

[Joe A.]

.....looks like it was filmed at a typical Guzzi rally!

http://scramblerducati.com/

[jas67]

http://www.motorradonline.de/news/ducati-scrambler-neuvorstellung-auf-der-intermot-2014/604840

[jas67]

It looks like the air-cooled 2-valve motor gets a stay of execution.

The 803cc motor is a great motor (also used in the Monster 796 and Hypermotard 796).   Yes, the 821 that replaces it in the Monster and Hypermotard makes significantly more HP (mostly high-end), the torque is only about 11% more -- not worth the additional complexity and maintenance costs of twice the valves and a cooling system.    Of course, in many markets, HP numbers sell bikes, and liquid cooling helps them make emissions, so, like it or not, that is the direction things are going (as has been discussed in a lot of other threads  :beat_horse).

[drlapo]

really nice bike
really dumb video

[Kev m]

Interesting that it appears they MAY have detuned the motor somewhat from the Monster version:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/news/new.../_/R-EPI-145073

While the engine is sourced from the Monster 796, it doesn’t go unfettled into the Scrambler. The 88mm x 66mm bore and stroke remain, but the valve overlap has been reduced to 11 degrees, which helps to smooth the power curve to suit the nature of the bike.

In this guise the engine develops 75bhp at 8250rpm, and 50.2lbft of torque at 5750rpm. The engine also gets a single throttle body, which sits inside the airbox with the twin injectors; the only way the traditional teardrop-shaped fuel tank could work with the available space

[Travman]

I'll be riding one as soon as my local dealer has them available to try out. I wonder why the red model is $100 cheaper than the yellow? 

[Bisbonian]

Someone over at ADV posted some prices for the scrambler - basically very reasonable, except in Mexico!  ???
Must be a transcription mistake or the wrong currency conversion!

While the exchange rate differs, the peso (symbol is $) is normally about 12 to 1 US dollar. So $149,000 in pesos is about $12,416.

Mexico has some steep tariffs for goods that are not made in Mexico, it is normally much cheaper to purchase cars in the US and take them across the border except that if the vehicles are imported legally then the duty would still need to be paid. The last person I spoke with who legally imported a motorcycle from the US into Mexico ended up paying something like $3k (that's in US dollars) for the privilege. This was on a used BMW F650GS.

So in Mexico this is going to be more expensive than the US, but if you're familiar with Mexico then this is to be expected.

[tonUPRacer]

I'll be riding one as soon as my local dealer has them available to try out. I wonder why the red model is $100 cheaper than the yellow? 

Yellow is faster ;-T

[steven c]

 Now if someone would give me 10K for my Eldo I'll take one in yellow. ;D

[jas67]

Interesting that it appears they MAY have detuned the motor somewhat from the Monster version:

"In this guise the engine develops 75bhp at 8250rpm, and 50.2lbft of torque at 5750rpm."

Definitely.  In the Monster, it is rated at 87bhp @ 8250 RPM, and 58 lbft @ 6250.

[Kev m]

Definitely.  In the Monster, it is rated at 87bhp @ 8250 RPM, and 58 lbft @ 6250.

The only reason I hesitated and said "may have" is because the numbers they quote are almost EXACTLY the rear wheel 796 hp and torque figures.

Though it seems unlikely that they gave RWHP in the press release.

[CND]

If you get one of these, I may have to call you my brothah from another mothah...

Ha! I got dibs on the red Icon w/Termi's  :)

Nice website with the breakdown of each rendition available

http://scramblerducati.com/en

[Rick T.]

Ha! I got dibs on the red Icon w/Termi's  :)

Nice website with the breakdown of each rendition available

http://scramblerducati.com/en

I'm diggin the "Wild Green" (Olive Drab) Urban Enduro trim...  Seems the perfect "adventure-light" for exploring anything around NorCal.  Does that mean my V7 goes into cafe mode (clip-ons, Stucci fairing)?? Fun, this motorcycle thing...

[jas67]

The only reason I hesitated and said "may have" is because the numbers they quote are almost EXACTLY the rear wheel 796 hp and torque figures.

Though it seems unlikely that they gave RWHP in the press release.

The torque peak RPM is 500 RPM lower than the spec numbers for the Monster 796.    RWHP and Crank HP numbers are both crank RPM figures, so, if that was the case, then the torque peak RPM should be 6,250.

This leads me to believe that these are crank figures, and that the engine was tuned for better lower RPM torque (which, usually brings lower high end HP).

[rocker59]

For exploring, I hope the bike returns good fuel economy.  3.5 gallons won't get you too far down that lonely road.

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

With those fenders, that "lonely road" better be clean and dry as well.

[Penderic]

One thing I did notice on the video was the fishtailing of the bike in the slippery stuff under acceleration. It looks a difficult to control the bike, the rear end wants to pass the front wheel.

Would that be due to a front weight bias?

[rocker59]

One thing I did notice on the video was the fishtailing of the bike in the slippery stuff under acceleration. It looks a difficult to control the bike, the rear end wants to pass the front wheel.

Would that be due to a front weight bias?

Probably just trying to get slideways for the camera

[Kev m]

The torque peak RPM is 500 RPM lower than the spec numbers for the Monster 796.    RWHP and Crank HP numbers are both crank RPM figures, so, if that was the case, then the torque peak RPM should be 6,250.

WHAT?

I'm told by dyno operators that the RWHP figure is the "real" one in the conversation and the torque figures are derived from it.

I know that they are related, but I don't think that two different motors who make peak hp at the same rpm must necessarily make peak torque at the same rpm right? I mean, torque curves can have funny shapes.

The difference in valve overlap and the single throttle body should be enough to give different shapes, no?

This leads me to believe that these are crank figures, and that the engine was tuned for better lower RPM torque (which, usually brings lower high end HP).

OK, that part made sense to me.