2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest

[rathlindri]

The V7's are Guzzi's best selling 'bikes. Evolution not revolution seems to be working

[fotoguzzi]

where can I find info on the "angle of the engine in the frame" change?
lower center of gravity? really?

Oil cooled alternator?  please inform me, I can't find any info on Moto Guzzi's website.

also would like to learn more about the traction control and ABS..

[Kev m]

Jebus Foto, all have been discussed here, in the last week... There was another thread with a photo that changed to show the V7II overlaid with a V7 that shows changes to the engine mounting angle and chassis pitch.

Though some of that was covered in the initial press release.

The wet alternator was LAST YEAR'S news, so much so that Pete has already worked on them (had one in his shop last week).

[Xlratr]

Well, that was interesting. My dealer already has the full set of V7 II in stock. Stone, Special, Racer, all are present. Yesterday when I were there to buy a set of hand protectors (it IS cold in Northern Germany) I of course took a look on these bikes.

Hi Fossil, where did you check out the new V7?
(Gruss aus Seevetal! :-)


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[sib]

I wonder whether one of our European contributors would be able to find out what the gear ratios are for the new 6-speed V7 transmissions are, and post them here. They're probably listed in the owner's manual, which isn't available on line .   I've downloaded the parts books for the new bikes, in several languages, but they don't specify the number of teeth on any of the driven (secondary shaft) gears, so I can't calculate the ratios.  I do know the number of teeth on the input shaft gear from the clutch (18), the gear on primary shaft that it meshes with (23), secondary shaft gears for speeds 2-6  (32, 28, 26, 24, 24) and the ring and pinion gears (8/33, unchanged from the earlier bikes).  Thanks.

[Kev m]

Foto, here's the latest thread with a link to the pic I was talking about:

http://www.wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=73803.0

[fotoguzzi]

Foto, here's the latest thread with a link to the pic I was talking about:

http://www.wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=73803.0

Thanks, Me bad> I don't read all the SB threads.

[Vasco DG]

Amusingly I was talking to someone at the importer last week about the supposed map updates that I couldn't find any info on and mentioned the new wet alternator bikes the bloke I was talking to said "Oh no, the wet alternator won't be on bikes until the V7-II arrives." It took a fair bit of convincing to get him to accept they were already here!  :D

Pete

[sib]

Amusingly, and also frustratingly, there's misinformation everywhere about these bikes.  On the source Motorcycle Specifications (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/), the V7 II models are shown as having 5-speed instead of 6-speed gearboxes.  Moreover, the gear ratio listed for 5th speed is incorrect, even for the previous 5-speed models.

[rocker59]

Thanks, Me bad> I don't read all the SB threads.

V7 II was also the main topic of the EICMA thread. I don't know how you could've missed all the V7 II talk!

[fossil]

Modifying my V7 Stone to my taste is the way on which I will proceed, and be it only because my engine is so well run in that I do not want to repeat this procedure. With 10 000 km on the clock the engine has loosened up significantly. But imagine a new customer: he will have the choice between a lot of very nice bikes. And there are more in the next future like the Ducati Scrambler, which will be in the same price-range as the Guzzi. So letting the evolution proceed is the right decision. And I just could read in one of our motorcycle magazines: normally a model is sold well when it is brand-new. Then the sales figures drop. The V7 series sees an opposite trend. The sales figures are increasing. But my dealer told me yesterday that up to now a lot of people buy another bike because the V7 lacks anti-slip and anti-blocking.

At Xlratr: Die Guzzi V7 due steht bei Martynow in Embsen bei Lüneburg, also wirklich nicht weit von Seevetal. Er hat Guzzi, Ducati (deshalb hatte ich auch eine Monster 1200 während der Inspektion), Aprilia, Suzuki, Kymco und Vespa. Und eine ausgezeichnete, gut geschulte Werkstatt.

The Guzzi V7 due can be seen at Martynow in Embsen near Lüneburg, really not far from Seevetal. He deals with Guzzi, Ducati (that´s why I had a Monster 1200 during an inspection), Aprilia, Suzuki, Kymco and Vespa. And an extraordinary, well-schooled workshop.

[Kev m]

Thanks, Me bad> I don't read all the SB threads.

BTDT :)

V7 II was also the main topic of the EICMA thread. I don't know how you could've missed all the V7 II talk!

I totally know how, it would be like if I suddenly asked a Stelvio question I'm sure it all would have been already answered. If a thread is mostly about one, I'd probably skim it or skip it.

[Xlratr]

At Xlratr: Die Guzzi V7 due steht bei Martynow in Embsen bei Lüneburg, also wirklich nicht weit von Seevetal. Er hat Guzzi, Ducati (deshalb hatte ich auch eine Monster 1200 während der Inspektion), Aprilia, Suzuki, Kymco und Vespa. Und eine ausgezeichnete, gut geschulte Werkstatt.

OK. That's good to know. Sounds like a destination ride as soon as spring comes. :-)


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[mickr69]

The Euro Moto Guzzi website has loads on the updated V7 and info on all the new accessories.

http://uk.motoguzzi.it

[sib]

The Euro Moto Guzzi website has loads on the updated V7 and info on all the new accessories.

http://uk.motoguzzi.it

Except that is out of date and contains nothing about the V7 II series except for a September news blurb.

[Vagrant]

the real thing on the site is the 1200 sport (gorgeous) and the naked Stelvio that I would buy today if here.

[fossil]

"Except that is out of date and contains nothing about the V7 II series except for a September news blurb."

Except that on the Guzzi website there are really exciting news about the new V 7 due: http://www.garagemotoguzzi.com/en/ .
And it contains good news for the owners of older STB´s also (but not for their wallets...).

[fossil]

"OK. That's good to know. Sounds like a destination ride as soon as spring comes. :-)"

Sunday, 26 April 2015. Then there is the Motor Bike StartUp Day at the Fahrsicherheitszent rum of ADAC Lüneburg. And this is in Embsen, about 2 km from my dealer. Who will also attend. And there is the opportunity to test drive nearly all of the bikes (not only these of my dealer) on an interesting test track.

http://fsz-lueneburg.de/adac/motorrad-mehr-startup-day.htm

[Xlratr]

Cool! Thanks for that link. It's now in my calender. Looks like a good opportunity to try my first SB☺


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[blackcat]

the real thing on the site is the 1200 sport (gorgeous) and the naked Stelvio that I would buy today if here.

Nice in blue and without the outriggers.

[sib]

Except that on the Guzzi website there are really exciting news about the new V 7 due: http://www.garagemotoguzzi.com/en/ .

Well, I suppose one person's excitement can be another's boredom.  I'm not interested in these "customizing" kits, they're only eye candy.  I'd be a lot more interested if somewhere on the site there was more technical information abut the new V7 II bikes.  MG has been very coy about releasing details, even now that they're actually selling the bikes.  For example, as I mentioned previously, there's nothing about the gear ratios of the new 6-speed gearboxes.  There's also no information about the power output of the wet alternators, even though they've been on the bikes for over a year now.

Perhaps if MG were to release electronic versions of the owner's manuals, some of this information would be available.  But perhaps not, as there are plenty of technical errors in both the printed and electronic versions of the owner's and workshop manuals for my '13 V7 Stone.

[blackcat]

.....there are plenty of technical errors in both the printed and electronic versions of the owner's and workshop manuals.....

Traditions are hard to break.

[Kev m]

Perhaps if MG were to release electronic versions of the owner's manuals, some of this information would be available.  But perhaps not, as there are plenty of technical errors in both the printed and electronic versions of the owner's and workshop manuals for my '13 V7 Stone.

Errors in any tech manual are not uncommon.

But, if you would, expand on "plenty"?

[tiger_one]

The raw Stelvio is nice, I have never liked the trax boxes.  Came close to buying a Stelvio a year ago, but couldn't stand the loss on trying to sell the trax.  Also my argument of selling the Super Tenere to get a lighter bike didn't wash either.  :-)

[fossil]

We are talking about a series of bikes that has less than 50 hp from a 750 ccm engine. Whose state-of-the-art is late VW Beetle (mexican, with fuel injection). We are talking about the looks, the way it feels and so on. Of course errors in technical manuals are not nice (I know that, I write some).

We know from several reports at least here in Germany that the first gear is shorter and the sixth is longer than before, which I regard a good think. But I am really not interested in the exact ratios. But that I can now mod my Stone into a scrambler with official parts is important to me. And you are right - it is eye-candy. That´s why I ride such a bike and not a BMW or so.

[Kev m]

We are talking about a series of bikes that has less than 50 hp from a 750 ccm engine. Whose state-of-the-art is late VW Beetle (mexican, with fuel injection). We are talking about the looks, the way it feels and so on. Of course errors in technical manuals are not nice (I know that, I write some).

We know from several reports at least here in Germany that the first gear is shorter and the sixth is longer than before, which I regard a good think. But I am really not interested in the exact ratios. But that I can now mod my Stone into a scrambler with official parts is important to me. And you are right - it is eye-candy. That´s why I ride such a bike and not a BMW or so.

 ;-T


Though I'm still interested in the specs, cause I'm geeky like that.  :BEER:

[sib]

Errors in any tech manual are not uncommon.

But, if you would, expand on "plenty"?

I didn't write them down as I came across them, but here are some of the ones that I remember:

The owner's manual, p. 99, and the workshop manual. p. CHAR-12, the final drive ratio is shown as 4.825, it should be 4.125 for 8/33 gearing (do the math).  Also, the 5th gear ratio is shown as 22/25, it should be 25/22.

Even though the owner's manual is supposed to include USA models, there is no mention of the USA license plate illumination light, and the turn indicator lights are incorrectly specified as orange bulbs.

The owner's and workshop manuals state that the tires are Pirelli Sport Demons, whereas my bike came from the factory with Lasertec tires.

The rear shock absorber adjustment procedure in the owner's manual is for the Sachs models, but my bike came from the factory with Olle rear shocks, which are adjusted differently.

The workshop manual contains obsolete photographs of the ECU electrical plug (pp. MAIN-47 and -49).  The electrical wiring diagram on p. ELE SYS-76 is incorrect, and shows the one for previous 2TB models with the previous ECU with a 26-pin connector.  The older 26-pin connector is also shown, and the pin numbering is incorrect, on pp. ELE SYS-107-8.

Those are just some of the errors I've encountered so far.  I haven't done any chassis, engine, gearbox, or transmission work yet, so there may be other errors lurking.

[Xlratr]

And you are right - it is eye-candy. That´s why I ride such a bike and not a BMW or so.

Absolutely! If it doesn't look good, it's only half the fun! :-)


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[Kev m]

I didn't write them down as I came across them, but here are some of the ones that I remember:

The owner's manual, p. 99, and the workshop manual. p. CHAR-12, the final drive ratio is shown as 4.825, it should be 4.125 for 8/33 gearing (do the math).  Also, the 5th gear ratio is shown as 22/25, it should be 25/22.

Even though the owner's manual is supposed to include USA models, there is no mention of the USA license plate illumination light, and the turn indicator lights are incorrectly specified as orange bulbs.

The owner's and workshop manuals state that the tires are Pirelli Sport Demons, whereas my bike came from the factory with Lasertec tires.

The rear shock absorber adjustment procedure in the owner's manual is for the Sachs models, but my bike came from the factory with Olle rear shocks, which are adjusted differently.

The workshop manual contains obsolete photographs of the ECU electrical plug (pp. MAIN-47 and -49).  The electrical wiring diagram on p. ELE SYS-76 is incorrect, and shows the one for previous 2TB models with the previous ECU with a 26-pin connector.  The older 26-pin connector is also shown, and the pin numbering is incorrect, on pp. ELE SYS-107-8.

Those are just some of the errors I've encountered so far.  I haven't done any chassis, engine, gearbox, or transmission work yet, so there may be other errors lurking.

Well, some of those are legit for sure.

I wonder about your tires and whether or not that changed at the dealer.

The obsolete photos, are they just informational or is the wrong photo misleading? Like is it labeled for pins or something?

The shock thing is just silly on Piaggio's part for sure.

The missing US data, meh, there was a time when some EU manufacturers provided NO US data.

But yeah, that's a higher percentage than I'd generally expect.

[sib]

I wonder about your tires and whether or not that changed at the dealer.

Actually, my dealer told me that all of the black '13 Stones came in with Lasertec tires and Olle shocks, whereas the all white ones had Pirellis and Sachs.  Go figure.  Another curious detail:  my Stone came in with the 90-degree tire valve stems pointing to the left, whereas the stems on all the other tubeless tired bikes the dealer and I have seen are pointed to the right, which makes for easier access when the bike is leaning left on the side stand.  I plan to get mine pointed the other way when I get new tires.  I guess creativity reigns on the assembly line at MG.