I've cheated and feel dirty

[kevdog3019]

That girl LOOKS too young on that ad.  I'm sorry, age aside, she LOOKS like a 14 yr. old  tops to me and that aint cool.  Does it matter what age she REALLY is?  Not really, because the point is they want a sexy looking girl right?  I'm not a pervert so 14 doesn't cut it, but I have seen a lot of sexy 21 yr. old girls that look 21. ;-T. Her teeth haven't been fixed yet and her nails are as small as a 12 yr. olds. Jeesh!

Just an aside:  I think girls are actually looking more mature (in development) these days than 30 yrs. ago, not the contrary.  Drink Milk!  ;-T

[Kev m]

Well again, I'm thinking most here have forgotten what a 21 y/o looks like.

Take this one (Arianna Grande) for example:

[kevdog3019]

Nope, I've seen 21 yr. olds that look much older than her. You can't go by age, you go by looks. I'm not saying they hired a pubescent, I'm saying they hired someone that might be 40 for all I know that looks 14. I've seen 14 yr. olds that look 30, so your point is moot. It's age reflected in looks not real age. I'm saying that chick looks 14. My opinion. If you think she looks 21 than that's yours. Fair?  I don't look my age either., so let's say you on what's behind that.  :BEER:

[Kev m]

I understand your point, but I still think perceptions of age change as we do, and that's playing a role here.

[kevdog3019]

I understand your point, but I still think perceptions of age change as we do, and that's playing a role here.

Absolutely perception!  I coach girls 13-14 every year and work with them throughout the year. I also work closely with high school girls weekly. I'm not looking backward in my assessment but rather the current state of the (female) union. Your pic looks like the average 16-17 yr. old in high school here. That ad looks like a girl I coach. Might just be the water here.  ;)  Somebody in that ad campaign thinks the average male finds very young girls sexy.  Maybe it's just the teacher in me and I find it incestual. 

[Lannis]

  Maybe it's just the teacher in me and I find it incestual. 

Just wait for a while; you'll be "on the wrong side of history" and have to be re-educated.   They'll get around to pederasty, bestiality, incest, necrophilia, and all the other things we used to thing were wrong .....

Lannis

[Tom]

You guys should see some of the young women that I coach on the wrestling team.  :o

[kevdog3019]

You guys should see some of the young women that I coach on the wrestling team.  :o

Is there mud involved??  ;D

[Penderic]

Sheesh! Bunch of old farts are not the target for a used Ducati ad! - more like they are trying to entice young males to identify with the bike - even the fan boys - the ones too young to drive yet, but have a bunch of bike posters on the wall.

Advertising works!

[youcanrunnaked]

Just wait for a while; you'll be "on the wrong side of history" and have to be re-educated.   They'll get around to pederasty, bestiality, incest, necrophilia, and all the other things we used to thing were wrong .....

Lannis

Nevermind.  Go ahead and make an ass of yourself.  The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.

[cruzziguzzi]

This one's been pestering a 20 year itch.
I like the overall understated nature of the bare-bones 750s. This one with a single front disc.
I guess I'm not to sure about the $2,500, especially considering what I could spend that money on on any one of nearly a dozen bikes and projects currently lying about.
Then, there's the generally conflicting nature of it against my tiny Harley. The differences are less likely to be apparent to me now that Palomar Mountain is no longer in my back yard.

Still, I've never gotten over the impact that the 750SS and Monsters had upon me.

Doesn't feel like "cheating" to me, though there are some of the same justification mechanisms in place... or so I've heard.



Todd.

[drums4money]

This one's been pestering a 20 year itch.
I like the overall understated nature of the bare-bones 750s. This one with a single front disc.
I guess I'm not to sure about the $2,500, especially considering what I could spend that money on on any one of nearly a dozen bikes and projects currently lying about.
Then, there's the generally conflicting nature of it against my tiny Harley. The differences are less likely to be apparent to me now that Palomar Mountain is no longer in my back yard.

Still, I've never gotten over the impact that the 750SS and Monsters had upon me.

Doesn't feel like "cheating" to me, though there are some of the same justification mechanisms in place... or so I've heard.



Todd.

2-up exhaust and a tail tidy.  That's a nifty little bike.  I wouldn't fuss much over $2,500. Sure there's better bikes & probably more worthwhile projects.

Every bike was just a "bike" before my monster.  9 years after I got it, i still feel it's the one I wanted the most, and I'm as pleased today as the day I brung her home.  If you've had the itch, but never been able to scratch it, then you may soon be talking about this one as "the one that got away".

[jas67]

This one's been pestering a 20 year itch.
I like the overall understated nature of the bare-bones 750s. This one with a single front disc.
I guess I'm not to sure about the $2,500, especially considering what I could spend that money on on any one of nearly a dozen bikes and projects currently lying about.
Then, there's the generally conflicting nature of it against my tiny Harley. The differences are less likely to be apparent to me now that Palomar Mountain is no longer in my back yard.

Still, I've never gotten over the impact that the 750SS and Monsters had upon me.

Doesn't feel like "cheating" to me, though there are some of the same justification mechanisms in place... or so I've heard.

Buy, it!



Todd.

[lrutt]

I have an 01 900 Chromo. It is a fantastic bike.

Valve adjust, it's the cheap ass wire split rings that wear in and change valve clearance. Dump  those and go with MBP collets that fit proper and you won't have issues. The split rings are a round section ring in a square section notch, thus the wearing in problem. The MBP collets are machines to fit properly in the square section notch. Thus little to no wear.

You will find that you just check the valves when you do a belt change. Which is uber easy in itself. Mine is coming up on a belt change this summer.

[kevdog3019]

Fellas , almost every sitcom employs a girl in her mid 20s portraying a 15 year old . If you can prove to me that the little cutie in the ad is in fact underage , then please do so , otherwise it is all just opinion . I still say it is the trick age plays on us .

  Dusty

You didn't read carefully or you're  just kicking up "dust". It is opinion that I say she's 14. She can do a full spread at 18 if she wishes (forget the 20 something). I'm not debating the ethics of a company using under-aged chicks nor do I want proof. I said she might be 30 for all I know. I find fault in the ad only because they are trying to sell using a sexy chick that "to me" appears very very pubescent. I just don't find that attractive. A girl that "looks" to be 18 or older is different. I can show them an attractive 18 yr. old that looks 18. I could find them a 14 yr. old that looks closer to 18 than her. I'm not certain my perception is off. I'm not that old.

[oldbike54]

You didn't read carefully or you're  just kicking up "dust". It is opinion that I say she's 14. She can do a full spread at 18 if she wishes (forget the 20 something). I'm not debating the ethics of a company using under-aged chicks nor do I want proof. I said she might be 30 for all I know. I find fault in the ad only because they are trying to sell using a sexy chick that "to me" appears very very pubescent. I just don't find that attractive. A girl that "looks" to be 18 or older is different. I can show them an attractive 18 yr. old that looks 18. I could find them a 14 yr. old that looks closer to 18 than her. I'm not certain my perception is off. I'm not that old.

 So your objection is to the fact that she looks young , OK , and yes we should protect underage girls ,and boys, from exploitation . However , what if she is 20 and a pro model ? Oh , and yes you are entering that tricky age where perception gets all weird  ;D

  Dusty

[Kev m]

OK, I WAS done with this, but let me explain what I THINK I understand about both sides of this discussion.

All of our perceptions change as we age and our experiences change.

We look in the mirror, and don't see how old we really are, and often think of ourselves as young still.

Then again, at some point in our lives MILFs probably started to look good, when they likely were not on our radar in our teens and twenties (yeah, I know, there are exceptions).

But I venture to say most of us (teachers excluded and parents with teenagers at home) aren't probably hanging around teenage girls anymore.

As such when we see a college age girl MANY of us will often go "holy crap, she LOOKS young." We've probably all done it, been out at a bar, noticed a girl with a drink in her hand and thought or said "WTF, they're letting in high school girls" or "Shyte, when did 21 start to look so young."

So Dusty and Me are thinking, well, we've seen chicks like Ariana Grande, and accept that at a glance we may think she is very young, but we KNOW that she is 21 and we don't think she's purposely trying to look underage, so we accept that's what 21 year olds look like these days.

On the flip side KevD being a teacher is surrounded by actual underage girls every day. He's not only used to seeing them he's also used to rightfully thinking of them as too young. Now HIS perception is opposite ours. Because he sees them everyday he's used to young girls probably trying to look older than they are, but either way that LOOK has become to him a norm of "TOO YOUNG". When he sees a 21 year old that looks the same he thinks she's trying to look young instead of that underage girl trying to look old.

I dunno, personally I know my taste in women has changed over the years and where a decade ago those college age girls looked pretty good (so I married one) I now think (as I said before) they look young FOR ME... not TOO YOUNG as in prepubescent, just not my taste.

And I've never been one to fawn over an overly made up woman anyway, so ironically I'm not all about the Ducati ad anymore than I am Ariana Grande...

<shrugs>

[oldbike54]

 Well said Kev m . Really , most of the time this stuff slips past me , no idea who Ariana Grande is , and was ignorant of the Ducati ad . If that ad had used a middle aged female would it have been less controversial , or gasp , even humorous ? One of our local restaurants dresses their waitresses in T-shirts that say,

                                                               You can't be first
                                                             But you might be next

 Most find this amusing , and see it for what it is , advising patrons to be patient when the place is busy .
 Just who posted this controversial ad anyway ? ;D 

  Dusty

[kevdog3019]

We're over thinking this.  Fact is some look older than their age, some younger.  Has happened since the beginning of time.  I remember girls when I was in HS that looked like they belonged in JH.  I also remember girls that looked like college age  :o  Very developed.  So nothing has changed, this chick has the nails and teeth of that same girl in JH I remember back then and see today.  I accept she is whatever age you say she is.  I'm CERTAIN she's at least 18 from a legal status if that's what's legal.  SOmething that DOES change through the years is marketing.  Models are thinner than your average person (some starve themselves) for the catwalk. We know that's not what we'd consider "normal", though you will find the occasional chick that is naturally that thin.  It's what sells!  So...  the marketers may be wanting a REALLY young look because it sells not because it's normal to look this way at her age.  She aint "normal" I guarantee at whatever age she is (yes... LEGAL). They can have a beauty queen represent any age they'd like and they chose 14 in my opinion. :P

[Lannis]

I dunno, personally I know my taste in women has changed over the years and where a decade ago those college age girls looked pretty good (so I married one) I now think (as I said before) they look young FOR ME... not TOO YOUNG as in prepubescent, just not my taste.


<shrugs>

You're going to like the next James Bond movie; the "Bond Girl" is going to be 50 + years old ... .!

Lannis

[Kev m]

KevD, of course some look older, some younger. But I'm talking about an observable trend that the older we get the younger 21 (or name any age) looks. It's a natural result of changing perspective as we age.

Lanni's, I said my taste has changed, but not THAT MUCH... It's keeping pace with Jenn... Mid 30's....

;)

[oldbike54]

 Hey , I have always liked women in the 35 to 45 age bracket , still do  :D Just that now an attractive 70 year old catches my eye , Helen Mirren is hot  :o

  Dusty

[Penderic]

Thats really interesting, Lannis! It is nice to see mature women that look half their age - Ann Margret and Sophia Loren in the movie "Grumpy Old Men" are two fine examples.  :-*


Sex appeal can depend on other factors too besides youth like looks.

For example, visual style, hygiene and social business political connections are much more important to many of us!

One of the richest women in the world, 80+ years old, worth over 8 billion, on her wedding day! Whoo hoo!

 **C

 

[kevdog3019]

So your objection is to the fact that she looks young , OK , and yes we should protect underage girls ,and boys, from exploitation . However , what if she is 20 and a pro model ? Oh , and yes you are entering that tricky age where perception gets all weird  ;D

  Dusty

Dusty, don't get hung up on the exploitation thing. They're exploiting nothing, she may be 30, and models generally "never" look older than they are. Girls these days look more endowed than I ever remember, so I think girls look older today than they did back in the day. Sorry, I don't go for the "I'm getting older perception thing". Many of my friends think development of women has increased through the years. Hormones in milk/food??  Have you ever heard that tossed out there?  I sure have. That's what they're talking about.., development of young girls. 16 is the new 18.

[Kev m]

Sorry, I don't go for the "I'm getting older perception thing". Many of my friends think development of women has increased through the years. Hormones in milk/food??  Have you ever heard that tossed out there?  I sure have. That's what they're talking about.., development of young girls. 16 is the new 18.

Jenn shares my perception and as a pediatrician and neonatologist she's quite aware of developmental milestones and trends...


Just sayin....

[kevdog3019]

Jenn shares my perception and as a pediatrician and neonatologist she's quite aware of developmental milestones and trends...


Just sayin....

How can she have your perception; she's a woman.  :D  She doesn't think development of girls has increased in general the past 30 years?  How old is she?  I honestly can't tell you the age of young women because after puberty they seem to quickly mature physically.  Am I the only guy here that thinks young ladies in HS can look pretty (ahem) far along in years?

[Kev m]

How can she have your perception; she's a woman.  

 ::)

It is possible for people to share a perception even if they have different perspectives.  :P

She doesn't think development of girls has increased in general the past 30 years?  

No, I said she shares the opinion that as we age what once seemed old or a peer seems to become younger and younger in our perception.

I.E. that 21 starts to look like 14...

And no, I said she is well aware of trends in development/pubescence and still feels despite that the relative appearance makes it harder for us to judge as we age.

How old is she?  

34

I honestly can't tell you the age of young women because after puberty they seem to quickly mature physically.

There are a bunch of jokes there I'm not touching... but I will say it's funny you draw the line at puberty (meaning you seem confident before then) but you can't tell after when my point of view is the further removed you become from that point the harder it is.

Then again, I did concede that your greater exposure than most of us would change that perspective from ours.

Am I the only guy here that thinks young ladies in HS can look pretty (ahem) far along in years?

Again, I never disputed that they CAN, but despite physical development I still think they look young, much moreso than I thought they did a decade or two ago. And I'm not talking about dress or affectations, just perception of physical age.

Anyway, it's ok that we disagree on this, as I said it will and should vary with perspective and age, and experiences.

I just think more people our age and older are surprised how young looking the average 21 year old is compared to how we thought they looked when we were 21.

Ohh, here's another example, it's similar to people looking at pictures of themselves 10 or 20 years ago and thinking or saying "I was never that young".

When we're young we think we're old and wise, and as we age, we often forget that we're not as young as we are not, but never were.

[Kev m]

We had 2 particular young ladies in Junior High , 1967 , that were , ... well ... fully developed . How old was Judy Garland when The Wizard of Oz was filmed , and Geez , look at the "National Velvet" posters featuring a 12 year old Liz Taylor  :o

  Dusty

TRIVIA TIME - Judy Garland was so uhhh, excited to be in front of the camera her nipples just poked through the outfit when they first started rehearsals and filming. So the director had makeup tape them down each day before filming. (I took a cult film class in college).

KD - this might explain part of it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21895379

Abstract

Perceptions of age influence how we evaluate, approach, and interact with other people. Based on a paramorphic human judgment model, the present study investigates possible determinants of accuracy and bias in age estimation across the adult life span. For this purpose, 154 young, middle-aged, and older participants of both genders estimated the age of 171 faces of young, middle-aged, and older men and women, portrayed on a total of 2,052 photographs. Each face displayed either an angry, fearful, disgusted, happy, sad, or neutral expression (FACES database; Ebner, Riediger, & Lindenberger, 2010). We found that age estimation ability decreased with age. Older and young adults, however, were more accurate and less biased in estimating the age of members of their own as compared with those of the other age group.

[cruzziguzzi]

2-up exhaust and a tail tidy.  That's a nifty little bike.  I wouldn't fuss much over $2,500. Sure there's better bikes & probably more worthwhile projects.

Every bike was just a "bike" before my monster.  9 years after I got it, i still feel it's the one I wanted the most, and I'm as pleased today as the day I brung her home.  If you've had the itch, but never been able to scratch it, then you may soon be talking about this one as "the one that got away".

Contact has been initiated. He has some interesting trade parameters as well.

What Iv'e really wanted for some time is a half fairing 750SS. Maybe without particularly rewarding roads nearby, I should forget that and concentrate on one of these?
As the 750's of limited fairing are what really trips my trigger - letting this one be "the one that..." is probably silly.

[Tom]

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