Shinko Stinko

[HardAspie]

AT least he was only beating a dead horse and not eating a dead horse...that might have made the meal less appetizing!  :)

Better than eating a live one! 

[PJPR01]

He'd have to catch it first!  Might be tough catching a horse while riding a Shinko, I don't think it can corner as well as a horse!  Giddy up!!!

[HardAspie]

A possible problem, but I have seen dogs low side. A horse could achieve that too I think.

[Huzo]

Back to a post by Arizona Wayne, could you explain how horizontal or side forces are created by your tire ? If you viewed your bike from behind when cornering, the resultant of forces on the wheel are directly perpendicular to the axle. If you hung a pendulum in front of you in a corner you'd see the effect, if the string was in front of your nose, the weight on the end would point at the centre line of the tank, the only way in normal riding to apply side loads is on a trike or side car. If this was not so your bike would fall over.

[oldbike54]

Back to a post by Arizona Wayne, could you explain how horizontal or side forces are created by your tire ? If you viewed your bike from behind when cornering, the resultant of forces on the wheel are directly perpendicular to the axle. If you hung a pendulum in front of you in a corner you'd see the effect, if the string was in front of your nose, the weight on the end would point at the centre line of the tank, the only way in normal riding to apply side loads is on a trike or side car. If this was not so your bike would fall over.

 Wayne is referring to his use of car tires on his MP3 . He is probably onto something , as the flat profile is possibly creating some weird side loading on the bearings .

 Dusty

[Huzo]

Ok Dusty, I'll leave it there but happy to defend my argument if asked, but I don't want to be labelled a troll. Honestly though Dusty to say he might be on to something as a supporting argument might need a bit more substance. It's not a personal attack on the guy, but he's just not on the money there.

[jdelv]

I have been running  Shinko 009's on my B1100 for 40K miles w/o any problems.

First thing I want to say is that this thread has a great subject line!  Made me chuckle.

I was running Pirelli Diablos on my 1100 Griso.  I made the switch to Shinko 009 Ravens and the tires are very good.  I've ridden on these Shinko tires through NY, PA and New England twisties and at the New York Safety Track.  They have been nothing but enjoyable and provide great traction and feel in my opinion.  I even rode up Mt. Washington on wet roads with them and had full confidence.  Gosh, I think I even plugged the center tread with a cheap kit from Autozone shortly after putting them on because I picked up a nail. 

Coincidentally, I'll have a set of these 009 Ravens on my porch today probably. Just bought a set on Revzilla for $150 for the set shipped!  ($160 less a $10 credit).  Where you going with a deal like that?  Lots of places actually. 

[Huzo]

Yeah sounds like there's no losers there, how does it compare price wise to a Michelin for example ?

[oldbike54]

hly
Ok Dusty, I'll leave it there but happy to defend my argument if asked, but I don't want to be labelled a troll. Honestly though Dusty to say he might be on to something as a supporting argument might need a bit more substance. It's not a personal attack on the guy, but he's just not on the money there.

 Think of it this way . A flat profile tire is resistant to rolling over , so instead of a linear transition from upright to leaned over , there is a momentary side loading of the bearing as the tire resists what the MC is asking for . Picture a wheel barrow with a round profile tire , and then picture the same device with a flat profile tire , The round tire will transition smoothly as the wheelbarrow banks, a flat profile tire will want to hold the wheel upright as the forks or swing arm move to an angle .

 Dusty

[Guzzistajohn]

Yeah sounds like there's no losers there, how does it compare price wise to a Michelin for example ?

I just ordered a set of Michelin pilot actives from my favorite local mc shop. I like to deal with steve, he'll let you have a cigar in the shop. Anyway, the michelins were $210.00 for the pair. I ran the old ones 10200 miles. Can't really see much reason to change.

[RANDM]

Wayne is referring to his use of car tires on his MP3 . He is probably onto something , as the flat profile is possibly creating some weird side loading on the bearings .

 Dusty

Your game Huzo - I thought that was a set up and left it
alone. 
I'll back you now you've mentioned it though.

Dusty - I may be seeing things upside under with squinted
eyes - aren't those MP3's those twin front wheel thingies
upon which the front's lean with the "bike"?

Cheers Maurie.

[oldbike54]

Your game Huzo - I thought that was a set up and left it
alone. 
I'll back you now you've mentioned it though.

Dusty - I may be seeing things upside under with squinted
eyes - aren't those MP3's those twin front wheel thingies
upon which the front's lean with the "bike"?

Cheers Maurie.

 Yep .

  Dusty

[Tom]

You hit a button to lock the front end that way it doesn't fall over.  Excellent ride in twisties.

[Lesman]

Ran 712's on my Dl1000 for years. Rear tire 4000 miles max. dirt cheap easy to install.
run 705's on my Quota . Great tire fronts last 10k  rears 4500 to 5000 miles cheap easy to install.

[Scud]

I'll just throw in another experience. I have Shinko 230 Tour Masters on my K75s. I rode 400 miles yesterday with strong head and cross winds. I spent a lot of time leaning at a constant angle to go straight, as well as making the motor work really hard to overcome the headwind (well over 100MPH combined ground speed and headwind). Last time I rode in conditions like that I had Metzelers on a BMW R1100RT and I destroyed the shape of the tires (flat spots). The Shinko still looks great and handled the final mountain pass very well. The little brick is mostly a commuter and mileage muncher for me. I got the Shinko's to be budget conscious. But I am pleasantly surprised at how well the bike handles and stops.

FWIW - I had heard the Yokohama back story. I also happen to think the Korean manufacturing is generally excellent - and frequently under-rated.

[kirby1923]

Think of it this way . A flat profile tire is resistant to rolling over , so instead of a linear transition from upright to leaned over , there is a momentary side loading of the bearing as the tire resists what the MC is asking for . Picture a wheel barrow with a round profile tire , and then picture the same device with a flat profile tire , The round tire will transition smoothly as the wheelbarrow banks, a flat profile tire will want to hold the wheel upright as the forks or swing arm move to an angle .

 Dusty

Wow you must of used up allot of brain cells on that bit of logic! You almost have me believing.

:-)

BTW Have you heard that the earth is flat?

Fits right in.

[oldbike54]

Wow you must of used up allot of brain cells on that bit of logic! You almost have me believing.

:-)

BTW Have you heard that the earth is flat?

Fits right in.

 What ever do you mean , what ever do you mean , whatever do you mean...

 Uh , doesn't UT still teach a flat earth class ?

 Dusty

[Stormtruck2]

I have a set of Shinko Raven 009 on my 07 Norge.  I am quite pleased.  They handle well, especially when warmed up.  The first few miles, just don't get playful.  I am a vigorous rider that prefers to not see chicken strips on my tires.  Would I put them on my Billy Bob?  No.  Different tools, different tire. For a sport tourer looking for good grip and life, they fit the bill very well. I endorse them.  Now, you want my Presidential endorsement?? :evilgrin:

[kirby1923]

I agree and second that Matt!

I have even done a track day with the Raven (009) and with just about 75 hp to the rear, they never missed a beat.

Excellent bang for the buck.

[HardAspie]

Shinko stinko, you're a pinko! Think I had better have a drinko! Bingo!

[Huzo]

I haven't learned how to do that thing where you put a quote above your post but now would have been a good time. Sorry to you Old Bike for arguing the point about side loads on the rear tire of an MP3 or whatever it's called (again my apologies if I got it wrong). Clearly I have a lack of knowledge in a critical area here, I did not know or failed to pay attention ,but the bike you were talking about has 3 wheels and is unable to lean like a conventional bike, ( which is actually an abbreviation for bicycle,so a bit of a contradiction in terms, but I'm just clutching at straws,) and will indeed "feel" a large sideways force in a corner, which if I'm not mistaken (again), was your point all along, I still stand by my point for a 2 wheeled bike, but that's not the point you were making. Thanks for your tolerance. Huzo.

[Chuck in Indiana]

I haven't learned how to do that thing where you put a quote above your post

Ok, assuming Windows operation, highlight the text you want to quote, and hit control and C at the same time. This copies what you've highlighted to the clipboard. Then, hit reply. That will (of course) open a new window to type in. See those buttons above the emoticons? The sixth from the right looks like a cartoon balloon? Punch that with your mouse, and it will put quotes in your message. Hit Control P (paste), and Bob's your uncle. 
Apple's gotta be different. Instead of control, just push the weird apple thingy button close to control on the keyboard.

[RANDM]

Hang on, I'm a puzzled little Ringtail Possum - I thought on
the MP3 the WHOLE THING leant over like a normal bike
AND both front wheels. Didn't realise the back stayed at
90 degs too the road?!

Maurie.

[oldbike54]

  Huzo , the trike in question is a Piaggio MP3 , and does in fact lean . I was simply trying to explain why Wayne may be experiencing wheel bearing problems .

 Dusty

[Huzo]

Yeah ok Dusty, thank you for your help and for putting me straight, it's good medicine for me but tastes lousy ! Understood now, but does the rear wheel lean or remain "square" to the road as the earlier post asked?

[Huzo]

Thanks Chuck in Indiana. I use my phone or i phone to post, am I able to insert a quote using these devices ? It's an i phone 3. Thank you, Huzo.

[oldbike54]

Yeah ok Dusty, thank you for your help and for putting me straight, it's good medicine for me but tastes lousy ! Understood now, but does the rear wheel lean or remain "square" to the road as the earlier post asked?

 Yes Huzo , the rear tire also leans . As for putting you straight , were you bent before ? Was simply theorizing based on Arizona Wayne stating the belief that running flat profile car tires had ruined his wheel bearings prematurely .

 Dusty

[RANDM]

Huzo - I'm on a iPhone mostly too. Look to the right hand
end of the title line of each post in the thread. You'll see a
little "quote" button - pretty small on a phone screen but
it's there. Hit that and you'll get the reply screen come up
with the quote already inserted.

Now to address the efelant in the room who everyone seems
to know as no-ones mentioned it, and taking a chance on
looking like a classic Sunstruck Gala of Olympic proportions
just because I bloody well am ................... ................... ..
Please sir - why would you put a f***ing car tire with a flat
arse on something that needs to lean like a bike??????????

Go ahead start laffing, no that's okay, really, oh come on -
Tell me.

Maurie.

[oldbike54]

 Maurie , there is a small group of folks attempting to save money by running car tires on their motorbikes . It's referred to as "going to the darkside" We won't go into the merits of doing this , belief is a powerful thing .

 Dusty

[Chuck in Indiana]

Cheap er Frugal Guzista have been known to do it to get longer tire life, plus the tire itself is cheaper more frugal than a motorcycle tire.
Fearless Leader Frank Wedge had one on his 1400 at the National this year.