Buraucracy in action

[atavar]

Well, I walked in with my valid ND drivers license to get a new SD drivers license.  All of a sudden now I need to have my actual social security card, my actual birth certificate or passport, two proofs of permanent address and my DD-214 just to get a license.  Of course all of these documents are buried deep in a storage room so it will be weeks before i can dig them out.
With the current federal administration granting all kinds of leniency to illegal aliens and giving them ID's and licenses without all this crap what is behind discriminating against legitimate US citizens like this?

[Bill929]

I went through the exact same song and dance the last time I renewed my FL driver's license.  Even though I have been a FL resident for 45 years.  It baffles me that illegal aliens can get a driver's license easier than someone who has spent their whole life in the same location. 

[rodekyll]

I don't understand the problem.

[atavar]

That's cuz yur an alien!  lol

[sib]

With the current federal administration granting all kinds of leniency to illegal aliens and giving them ID's and licenses without all this crap what is behind discriminating against legitimate US citizens like this?

I think you're pointing your finger in the wrong direction.  It's largely local paranoia about "illegals" that's driving the obsession about your needing to document your "right" to get a license.

(I wouldn't be surprised if the moderators kill this thread.)

[atavar]

I went through the exact same song and dance the last time I renewed my FL driver's license.  Even though I have been a FL resident for 45 years.  It baffles me that illegal aliens can get a driver's license easier than someone who has spent their whole life in the same location. 

An alien with no documentation at all can get a drivers license, welfare, food stamps and heating assistance easier than I can get a library card.  It baffles me too.

[atavar]

I think you're pointing your finger in the wrong direction.  It's largely local paranoia about "illegals" that's driving the obsession about your needing to document your "right" to get a license.

(I wouldn't be surprised if the moderators kill this thread.)

It is federal regulations (not laws) driving this need for exhaustive documentation, not local administration.  I do believe that SD would love to make the process as simple as possible but are being hamstrung by the feds.
Be prepared to dig up all your paperwork when you go to renew a US DL.

[screamday]

It is federal regulations (not laws) driving this need for exhaustive documentation, not local administration.  I do believe that SD would love to make the process as simple as possible but are being hamstrung by the feds.
Be prepared to dig up all your paperwork when you go to renew a US DL.

I don't know.....I walked into an SC DMV a couple of weeks ago to renew my DL and walked out with a new DL in about 30 minutes. Filled out some paper work and took a picture. I'm pretty sure the regulations are mandated state by state.

[rodekyll]

An alien with no documentation at all can get a drivers license, welfare, food stamps and heating assistance easier than I can get a library card.  It baffles me too.

So you're saying that if two people walk up to the dmv counter, one an illegal and one a citizen -- and neither with documentation to prove one way or the other, -- the dmv hands the illegal a drivers license and hands the citizen a ration of discrimination?

Drivers licenses are states rights.  Some years back the fed had the driver license card -- the physical document -- changed to some uniform stuff like requiring pictures and some sort of 'barcode' branding to reduce fraud.  But the driver's qualifications vary by state and are administered/enforced at the state level.  So if you've got problems with the way your state administers their dmv, look no further than your state legislature -- you get the level of paranoia you elect.

[roofus]

That's cuz yur an alien!  lol

Living way up there he might as well be a Canadjun!

[Noguzznoglory]

You're experiencing the "real Id" regulations. And yes, several states are issuing a drivers license to illegals with who knows what documentation while native born  Americans must prove birth and residence.
There is a provision in the law for the homeless: if you can get someone to sign a form saying you're homeless you don't have to bring in a utility bill to prove where you live

[travelingbyguzzi]

Had my drivers license renewed in WA last month. 30 minute project. My old license was all I needed. That and 80 dollars.

Bill Lovelady     is
Eskimo Spy

Of course, WA is famous for giving DLs to any alien who comes along.

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

An alien with no documentation at all can get a drivers license, welfare, food stamps and heating assistance easier than I can get a library card.  It baffles me too.

I see why the forum is running so poorly, the computers are having a hell of a time wading through the massive piles of bullshit.

Drivers Licenses & state ID cards are the purview of state government. Doesn't have a bit of a difference what the federal government does.  Is it insane that ND and SD don't have some sort of DMN articulation agreement; being neighboring states? Of course it is, but blame your state not the feds.

[wymple]

It's never taken me an hour to renew, usually just the time it takes to give them the money and get the picture, maybe 15 minutes. Once I lost my wallet and all my ID. They told me to bring my mother in to verify who I was. No trouble. You can get a motorcycle learner's permit here at the age of 14, as well. All you can do is follow someone around that is 21 or more. Safest street experience in the world. My boys and a grandson all learned to ride safely this way. Yes, the safety course is required to get a license when they turn 16. Iowa is about as easy as it gets.

[sib]

Up here in ultra-liberal RI, you HAVE to be an illegal to get a license.  Just kidding, I got mine renewed last week with no pain.  I'm pretty sure I'm not an illegal, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of my ancestors were.  In those days, all you needed is a desire to work.

[Two Checks]

It is a FEDERAL requirement you show birth certificate, etc to renew a D/L. They are administered by the states but with FED regulations. I didn't have a B/C and  went to hell and back getting one. Ironicaly it was FEDGOV that had the info I needed. One call to the FAA and I had my entire FAA file in hand in less than a week. It had my place of birth listed.
Anyone who says it isn't a FED requirement doesn't know the particular law.

[sib]

It is a FEDERAL requirement you show birth certificate, etc to renew a D/L. They are administered by the states but with FED regulations. I didn't have a B/C and  went to hell and back getting one. Ironicaly it was FEDGOV that had the info I needed. One call to the FAA and I had my entire FAA file in hand in less than a week. It had my place of birth listed.
Anyone who says it isn't a FED requirement doesn't know the particular law.

Well, I guess my state doesn't know about the federal regulations, because when I renewed my D/L last week, I didn't have to show my B/C.  I know it's trendy in some circles to blame the FEDGOV for everything, but I suspect this is more B/S than B/C.  Let's blame the FEDGOV for the rain in Texas instead.

[rodekyll]

I renew mine on-line.

[dilligaf]

It is a FEDERAL requirement you show birth certificate, etc to renew a D/L. They are administered by the states but with FED regulations. I didn't have a B/C and  went to hell and back getting one. Ironicaly it was FEDGOV that had the info I needed. One call to the FAA and I had my entire FAA file in hand in less than a week. It had my place of birth listed.
Anyone who says it isn't a FED requirement doesn't know the particular law.

SssssssssDon't tell SC.   Lost my wallet, went to DMV gave them a $ or two and walked out with a new drivers D/L.  So ssssssssssssssssdon t't tell.  :BEER:
Matt

[fotoguzzi]

  you get the level of paranoia you elect.

Nailed it!

[Luap McKeever]

Must be slowly becoming a federal thing.  I renewed my CDL in February.  They wouldn't take my expiring CDL as proper identification.  I had to give them 2 bills with my address on it, my veteran id and my non driver (CCW) Id before they'd take it.  It really upset me because I had to go home, find 2 bills and then go back....about 60 miles round trip.  It sucks because I pay all of my bills online, so had to print them out on pdf, email the pdf to my work and have them fax them to the DMV.

Ironically, it's way easier to get a CCW ???

[Two Checks]

SssssssssDon't tell SC.   Lost my wallet, went to DMV gave them a $ or two and walked out with a new drivers D/L.  So ssssssssssssssssdon t't tell.  :BEER:
Matt

You didn't renew, you replaced a current, valid license.
I went amost 2 years without a D/L due to the requirement.
And it IS Federal. Look up the Real ID Act.

[Lannis]

Ironically, it's way easier to get a CCW ???

Well, it should be.   A person with driver's license is FAR more likely to hurt someone with his car than a CCW holder is likely to hurt someone with a gun .....

Lannis

[rodekyll]

*sigh*

At the risk of upsetting up a deeply held belief with facts . . .  .

https://online.dmv.alaska.gov/DMVWebCams/online_services/renew_ol_online.htm


Luap -- is your state CDL administered by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration?  In Alaska you are issued the CDL by the state, but the license is subject to the FMCSA rules and regulations.

A CCW is easier to get in some states than others.  In some states it's not required at all, and in others it cannot be had.  There is no uniform foundation for eligibility or CCW rules.  No state automatically recognizes an out-of-state CCW unless they have entered into a reciprocity agreement with that state.  So I don't think CCW and DMV make good comparisons.

[Luap McKeever]

Luap -- is your state CDL administered by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration?  In Alaska you are issued the CDL by the state, but the license is subject to the FMCSA rules and regulations.

I have no idea.  I got it 20+ years ago, and only renew it every 6 years. This is the first renewal that was so much trouble.

[Two Checks]

Luap, you and I are both in MO and they are following the FEDGOV guidelines for renewing ID. If a state doesn't follow the guidelines set forth by the Feds, it is not recognized by the Feds.

[rodekyll]

A few years back I got caught with an expired license because I did not get the renewal notice.  The reason given by our DMV was that the fed had set down a standard for some stuff a valid ID needed to contain.  In Alaska we all had to physically report to the dmv and have our bona-fides reviewed.  You may have been caught in that 'reboot'. 

Two Checks -- you're talking ID, not drivers license now.  Yes, as I pointed out above, the fed has made post-911 requirements for what is a valid ID.  It has nothing to do with your state driver's license other than to mandate certain features be included on it.  I can use my passport, driver's license or CCW interchangeably for valid ID.  I can no longer use my student ID because the little card lacks some of the validating features.

[Luap McKeever]

Luap, you and I are both in MO and they are following the FEDGOV guidelines for renewing ID. If a state doesn't follow the guidelines set forth by the Feds, it is not recognized by the Feds.

Yeah, I understand them following the guidelines.  What stinks...I've known the guy that runs the local DMV for years, by name, wifes name, kids, etc.  His hands were tied too.  If he wasn't training a new person, he would have just renewed it.  I'm over it.  Don't have to deal with it for a while again.

[screamday]

You didn't renew, you replaced a current, valid license.
I went amost 2 years without a D/L due to the requirement.
And it IS Federal. Look up the Real ID Act.

I "Renewed" mine....and it was three days from expiring. Did not need anything by my current DL and $25.00.

[Two Checks]

Rodekyll, it is BOTH D/Ls and state issued ID cards. I had to have a birth certificate to get a new D/l. And isn't your D/L your ID?
And guess who I had to get a birth certificate from? THE STATE! My birth was not on record any longer and the hospital got rid of those records long ago. I was furn.ished a form to be filled out by myself and someone I knew that knew my birthdate and state how they knew. That had to be notarized and then all the accompanying documents (including one which had my place of birth) went to the state and they put their okee dokee on it. That form became my b/c. I had to use a b/c because I don't have a passport which meets the FED requirements. If I had wanted to get a passport I couldn't.

Screamday, when was thelast time you renewed? If you had to provide the b/c or passport then that license met the guideines under the Real ID Act.