1200 Sport Q & A

[AH Fan]

Hey all............ thought I might throw this one out there.
Does anyone have a pristine  / low mileage  /08 1200 Sport out there and if so what would be a fair price for said machine? ....... I know... what ever the market will bare, however one must first find one right?
I had one years ago and may be considering another.......... if a Black one should present itself!!

Chime in one and all............ Oh and what are the options for correcting the cracking collector pipe on these monsters?

Ciao             

[boatdetective]

Hmmm- I think i saw a black one come up on CL recently. Maybe it was at a dealer.  The going price for a decent bike with reasonably low mileage is $6,200. Options, of course, and vary. I think if you find one with Mana bars, bags, new can, and some other desirable options(that you most likely would have added yourself), that should change your outlook. There aren't many out there and they make a great all rounder when set up properly. I've always been of the mind that it is not in our best interest, as a group, to chisel each other on the price of these bikes. If you like it- pay the man and buy it. My experience is that you never regret paying a little bit more for a nice bike that you like. On the other hand, you'll regret missing something you really like if it's just a matter of $500-1000 here or there.

[menzies]

What the BoatDetective says, I recently bought an 06 Breva from a dealer in northern Virginia and paid just a shade more than I could have gotten another one but it had bags, shield, metal fuel filter, startus mod done, new tires, tune up all fluids changed and runs just great, what a good feeling to be able to get on the bike and ride cross country if I wanted. When I attended the New Triumph Bonneville Rally in MV, NC last month the guys could not believe it was a 9 year old bike, bought new in fall of 07.

Good luck in your search, they are out there.

[toma nova]

 what would be a fair price for said machine?

As a data point, I bought my 12S with Renthal fat bar, matching Norge bags, and 2500 miles on it for $7200 in September 2012.

I sold it in September 2014 with 10,000 miles, added heated grips, fuse block, EBC brake pads front and rear, new fork springs and oil, lower Gold Wing pegs, Startus Interruptus fix, current valves / TB sync, fresh fluids, and newish Pilot Road 3s for $6500.

In neither case was there any haggling over price.  When I bought, it was after an eBay auction had ended (not much interest from buyers) and when I sold, I had it posted on 3 or 4 different forums for 3+ weeks, got lots of interest and great comments, but only one serious inquiry that ended up buying it.

Really a great machine, I just needed more leg room.

Tom

[AH Fan]

Thx for all that ................. Norge or 1200 sport Hmmmm?
Thoughts from those that have or had both.

Ciao         

[Doppelgaenger]

Thx for all that ................. Norge or 1200 sport Hmmmm?
Thoughts from those that have or had both.

Ciao         

The only real difference will be the fairing... If you can pick up a Norge with the 8v engine then you will have the advantage of the bike not baking your family jewels into rocky mountain oysters. Because damn these things can put out heat (I have a breva 1100) But there are some issues with the 8v engines as well. The guys at moto international always sing the praises of the 4 valve engine in the Breva/Norge (total, not per cylinder) as being one of the best engines that Guzzi has ever made.

It really comes down to: do you want a naked bike or a faired bike? The Norge will be better value since it already comes with bags and farkles and will be less tiring over a long distance. I personally think that the naked Brevas are better looking so that did influence my thinking. The Breva 1200's fairing is actually very good

careful with ANY breva that has a bad dash, that is going to cost you the better part of $1000 to fix with a new part or $500 to get it fixed, and should be reflected on the price.

Breva 1200s are rare and as was said, pay what is due and don't haggle. Eventually these will be classics because of their rarity if you hang on to them.

[boatdetective]

Here's one:

http://worcester.craigslist.org/mcy/5059246716.html

[Bisbonian]

The only real difference will be the fairing... If you can pick up a Norge with the 8v engine then you will have the advantage of the bike not baking your family jewels into rocky mountain oysters. Because damn these things can put out heat (I have a breva 1100) But there are some issues with the 8v engines as well. The guys at moto international always sing the praises of the 4 valve engine in the Breva/Norge (total, not per cylinder) as being one of the best engines that Guzzi has ever made

1200 Sports did not have the same heat issues as the 1100 Breva.

[bradjarv]

I have a red one for sale. 10k, Norge bags, Mana bars, Denalli driving lights. Couple of small scratches, otherwise like new. $ 6,000.

[ohiorider]

1200 Sports did not have the same heat issues as the 1100 Breva.

As I recall, the difference is in where the cat converter is located.  I believe the cat is located under the engine/tranny on the B11, whereas the cat is in the slip-on can on the 12S.  I notice very little heat when riding my 1200 Sport.

[biking sailor]

As I recall, the difference is in where the cat converter is located.  I believe the cat is located under the engine/tranny on the B11, whereas the cat is in the slip-on can on the 12S.  I notice very little heat when riding my 1200 Sport.

 :1:  And as was stated earlier, the 2V engine in the 1200 Sport just works very well in real world riding situations.  I've had both a 2V and a 8V, and always thought the 2V better for 95% of my riding.  Seemed to have a flatter torque curve and better mpg.

[willowstreetguzziguy]

 Just rode my 08 Black 1200 Sport from south central PA up through PA NY and Vermont (on Rt 100) and down to the rally. First long sport tour on it since getting it in late 2013. Packed it with tent and camping gear (no saddlebags). The bike is amazing! I had a blast riding the back roads and interstates!!! I put the Stelvio hand guards on last fall and they kept my hands dry in light to moderate rain but not in heavy rain, Definitely recommend them for ~$80. They fit right on w/o modifications)

    As far as the engine heat...  I like the feel of the heat on my knees and shins up to 75 degrees. And above that I don't mind it. I just stick my legs out if I get hot.  The tank wings do a great job of protecting my knees from the wind blast in temps below 60 degrees.  Total mileage was 1,150 round trip. The stock seat is comfortable and has room to move forward and back. I'm probably the only 1200S rider that actually likes the stock handlebars. They are great for interstate cruising and put me in a great position for carving back roads. I ride with a tank bag that I can lean against. Very comfortable riding position.

    4,000 rpm = 75mph & 5,000 rpm = 90mph.  The small fairing works well and doesn't create any buffeting.  The engine pulls like a freight train, especially from 4,000 and up. It's very solid and smooth on the open road and isn't affected by crosswinds. After installing 1.5" lowered foot pegs and adding 1" of extra foam under the seat, it fits my legs just right. It's also very manageable in the city and traffic jams as I found out, even with all the extra gear.  I love the bike!!!

[esmurrell]

I have a '12 Norge GT and have had an '07 Breva.  I prefer the Norge because I like fairings and the 8V is more powerful everywhere than the Breva engine.  I realize the Breva has a slightly smaller engine than the 1200 Sport in question but that is my position.  As others have already said, there is no heat issue on the 1200 Sport, my Breva roasted my 'boys' until I put a crossover on and removed the cat.  Other than that, the Breva rode well and felt fine.  I just like the fairing to get the wind off of me.  Decisions decisions.....

[ohiorider]

Just rode my 08 Black 1200 Sport from south central PA up through PA NY and Vermont (on Rt 100) and down to the rally. First long sport tour on it since getting it in late 2013. Packed it with tent and camping gear (no saddlebags). The bike is amazing! I had a blast riding the back roads and interstates!!! I put the Stelvio hand guards on last fall and they kept my hands dry in light to moderate rain but not in heavy rain, Definitely recommend them for ~$80. They fit right on w/o modifications)

    As far as the engine heat...  I like the feel of the heat on my knees and shins up to 75 degrees. And above that I don't mind it. I just stick my legs out if I get hot.  The tank wings do a great job of protecting my knees from the wind blast in temps below 60 degrees.  Total mileage was 1,150 round trip. The stock seat is comfortable and has room to move forward and back. I'm probably the only 1200S rider that actually likes the stock handlebars. They are great for interstate cruising and put me in a great position for carving back roads. I ride with a tank bag that I can lean against. Very comfortable riding position.

    4,000 rpm = 75mph & 5,000 rpm = 90mph.  The small fairing works well and doesn't create any buffeting.  The engine pulls like a freight train, especially from 4,000 and up. It's very solid and smooth on the open road and isn't affected by crosswinds. After installing 1.5" lowered foot pegs and adding 1" of extra foam under the seat, it fits my legs just right. It's also very manageable in the city and traffic jams as I found out, even with all the extra gear.  I love the bike!!!

The 1200 Sport has proven to be one of the best motorcycles I've owned.  There is that certain 'something' about the 1151cc two valve engine that is pure pleasure, whether humming down the highway at 4000rpm, or hitting the red line light (wherever you've set it.)  Yes, the 8v engine has more pure punch, but ..... how to explain it (?)  I just like the feel of the older pushrod engine.  To each his own on this topic, but I think Guzzi got it right with the two valve 1200 Sport .... from the engine, to the suspension.  And the stock can sounds pretty nice, to me.  56,000 miles and loving it (except for the weight!)

Bob

[Dean Rose]

If I had the funds, I would consider buying a new 8V Norge and turning it into a Sport. I just like the looks of the Sport better.
Probably use the Givi fairing I have on my Breva 1100 if it would work.


Dean