Sign the anti-E15 petition!!!

[QCGoose]

http://bit.ly/1J4jGLG

Here's a bit more info from Rider Magazine which also includes the link to sign the online petition: http://www.ridermagazine.com/latest-news/american-motorcyclist-associations-anti-e15-petition-gathers-nearly-8000-signatures.htm/

Please sign it and help put the brakes on the EPA's nonsense! The goal is at least 10,000 signatures and so far there are roughly 8000.

[flip]

Done.

[RinkRat II]

 Signed,Sealed and Deeeeelivered!


     Paul

[canuguzzi]

For those leery of the URL and not that it means anything, I checked into the URL, found the company hosting the petition and back routed it to the American Motorcycle Association, so its what it says it is. I did this because some of you might hesitate seeing how it asked for personal identifying information.

The link to the AMA page with the original reference is here:

http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/News/15-06-19/American_Motorcyclist_Association_gathers_nearly_8_000_signatures_on_anti-E15_petition.aspx

Just a few things to consider. While it is a valuable effort (I did sign) do not forget that the email address you provide is then linked to your name (if you use your real name) and that a government agency then has that information. Given their very reliable information security practices, no doubt it is absolutely safe.

The third party hosting the petition also gets the information, what that means depends on what you think about it.

One last thing, if you use an anonymous email address, otherwise called a throwaway for searching the Internet and things like that, that email address is then also linked to your name.

Just a heads up.

[jbhotchkiss]

Done.  And thanks.

[kris]

Signed.

[mtwillyman]

Done, why the hell we dilute gas with ethanol makes no sense at all. I hope this E-15 crap dies a good death.

[LowRyter]

so if someone wants E15, why shouldn't they have it?

[flip]

so if someone wants E15, why shouldn't they have it?

Because that would probably become the "standard" and replace the other gasoline blends that have less alcohol added just like they replaced gasoline with no alcohol added most places. And then many of us would really be screwed.

I'm trying to avoid any political angle here. If every gas station could have 5-10 grades/blends of gasoline and gasoline/alcohol, that would be fine with me. I just want to be able to keep buy something that will run in my current bikes.

[acogoff]

      I will not sign this. The Feds have mandated E-15 on hold anyway. Blender pumps like they have had in South Dakota for some years are the answer for the tree huggers to buy what ever they want, in my opinion. Beware, This "petition" is just another fishing scam for personal info. Next they will want your bank account number so they can "deposit" a reward for signing. PT Barnum would love the internet.

[Rough Edge racing]

Because that would probably become the "standard" and replace the other gasoline blends that have less alcohol added just like they replaced gasoline with no alcohol added most places. And then many of us would really be screwed.

I'm trying to avoid any political angle here. If every gas station could have 5-10 grades/blends of gasoline and gasoline/alcohol, that would be fine with me. I just want to be able to keep buy something that will run in my current bikes.

 Yes good statement..... It's a  possibility that E15 becomes the standard rather than an option. And not to get political a change in who heads the Feds might change the EPA's ideas...On the other hand some hot rodders are adapting to E85's 105 octane rating using high compression ratios and or supercharging that would not be possible on available gasoline.
 I can hear it, A Guzzi approaching to the whine of supercharger ......

[jackson]

Ethanol enhanced gas, whether it's E10 or E15 is the scourge of engines in cars, motorcycles , lawnmowers, etc.  I hate the stuff.
That being said, I'm not signing any petition where they want my name, address, email address, etc. 
To me, this smells highly of a way to collect names for spamming about a whole lot of different things that will come down the pike.  If you give them this info, get ready for a bunch of people who will pester the hell out of you on a variety of subjects.

[Rich A]

I signed it. I don't think ethanol in gas helps anyone but the people making money from it. I'm a member of the AMA, so they already have my info and haven't bothered me in any way I'm aware of.

Rich A

[GearheadGrrrl]

With the current low crude prices, E15 is going nowhere and there is no "danger" of it becoming the standard. BTW. modern bikes don't seem to care if they're running on E10 or E20 or even E30- My F800S has been run on mostly E20 for the last 70k miles with no problems.

[Two Checks]

Yes good statement..... It's a  possibility that E15 becomes the standard rather than an option. And not to get political a change in who heads the Feds might change the EPA's ideas...On the other hand some hot rodders are adapting to E85's 105 octane rating using high compression ratios and or supercharging that would not be possible on available gasoline.
 I can hear it, A Guzzi approaching to the whine of supercharger ......

Funny, Sunoco and P66 both make 116 octane fuel and you use less of it than E85 or straight alk.
The thing is our cars and bikes will run worse on E15 than E10 and willuse more fuel.

[Rough Edge racing]

Funny, Sunoco and P66 both make 116 octane fuel and you use less of it than E85 or straight alk.
The thing is our cars and bikes will run worse on E15 than E10 and willuse more fuel.

 I use 112 octane leaded race fuel in my LSR Triumph....Funny??? The funny is it's 12-14 bucks a gallon,leaded or unleaded race fuel.  Twice the cost of E85 if you figure in fuel mileage.

[Two Checks]

With E85 you will use twice as much as gas and with straight alk right at 3x.

[GearheadGrrrl]

E100 has .7 of the energy per volume of gas. Local Co-Op has E10 for $2.69 and E85 for $1.68/gallon= E85 gives the most BTUs/$ if your vehicle can run on it. I went for E20 at $2.50/gallon.

[LowRyter]

With the current low crude prices, E15 is going nowhere and there is no "danger" of it becoming the standard. BTW. modern bikes don't seem to care if they're running on E10 or E20 or even E30- My F800S has been run on mostly E20 for the last 70k miles with no problems.

Sane and rational thought will not be tolerated here. 

Consider yourself on notice.   

[Lannis]

Funny, Sunoco and P66 both make 116 octane fuel and you use less of it than E85 or straight alk.
The thing is our cars and bikes will run worse on E15 than E10 and willuse more fuel.

My Stelvio gets a steady 42 MPG on E10.    It gets a steady 46 MPG on straight gasoline.

That means that the ethanol is exactly equivalent to an inert, unburnable substance in the fuel, meant to just fill out the volume.

It is and always has been a feel-good scam to say "We're Doing Something".   And someone is making some real money off it.

Lannis

[rodekyll]

You folks are arguing the wrong part of the issue.  E-gas was never intended to give more miles per gallon or be cheaper than straight gas.  It was intended to be cleaner burning per gallon.  The economy is secondary.  To argue it from an mpg or $pg position is missing the point.

$0.02

[oldbike54]

You folks are arguing the wrong part of the issue.  E-gas was never intended to give more miles per gallon or be cheaper than straight gas.  It was intended to be cleaner burning per gallon.  The economy is secondary.  To argue it from an mpg or $pg position is missing the point.

$0.02

 Hmm , well we will disagree on this one , that's OK .

  Dusty

[stmike]

I signed it because I believe it was the right thing to do.  However, I really don't expect the AMA lobby to be able to battle the corn lobby successfully, and I would guess that we're in for E15 down the road no matter how many motorcyclists' signatures they get.

[rodekyll]

Hmm , well we will disagree on this one , that's OK .

  Dusty

Dusty, I can find all sorts of statements from the powers that be concerning the emissions advantages of E-gas, which seems to be factual, unless someone has different data.  But I can't find where anyone is claiming it's more economical, and in fact, as all are pointing out, it is not.  So what's to disagree with?

[oldbike54]

Dusty, I can find all sorts of statements from the powers that be concerning the emissions advantages of E-gas, which seems to be factual, unless someone has different data.  But I can't find where anyone is claiming it's more economical, and in fact, as all are pointing out, it is not.  So what's to disagree with?

 Not disagreeing with the side effects of ethanol as an oxygenator , my point is that I don't think that was the primary driving force behind the adoption of corn based ethanol in our fuel . Unfortunately the debate requires delving into politics , and I promised Rocker I would be a good boy 

  Dusty

[rodekyll]

Your unspoken argument is that it was the corn-ho's driving the effort.  I don't disagree with that.  But I can't find where they argued it would be more economical than normal gas.  I see where the 'what ifs' extended gasoline to $5/gal and suggested there might be an economy argument at that price, but the real world argument was emissions.

[Haze]

Done and this is timely for me. My '01 triumph ingested the interior of its fuel line before the carb floats stuck open spilling gas everywhere then coughing to a stop on the side of the road. I am looking at over a thousand bucks in repairs because ethanol melted my line.

[rodekyll]

Let us know what mfgr and part# fuel hose that is so we don't put it on our bikes.

[Rough Edge racing]

Uh Rough , how many street bikes need 112 race fuel ?

 Exactly zero...My reply was too the comment of why use E85 for modified engines when you can use high octane race fuel........However race fuel can be used with none or minimal A/F adjustments  unlike E85. And the added bonus of civil disobedience by using leaded fuel in a street engine...
 It's a brave new world so we all need to drop the fear of the paranoia of new fuels and resort to Yankee ingenuity to make what's available fit our purposes.