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I expect a well-designed hybrid water/air cooling design from Guzzi.Harley-Davidson has shown that this can be done while preserving the characteristics of an air-cooled engine. In fact, the size of the water-cooling radiator may be no more than the size of the accepted oil-cooling radiators on many bikes, including the Guzzi.
....Ugh, give me bevelhead Ducks, Guzzis, Britbikes and for four wheels, Alfas, Jaguars, and old Ferraris and Maseratis.cr
Guzzi was thinking of alternates to cooling with water. Looks like Mother Goose tried to find an alternative to the plumbing and big radiator look of a water cooled bike. Dont know if the looks are any better.
Moto Guzzi is already able to adequately cool the engine. Some water cooled bikes' engines run very hot and when you look at the temperature ranges they encounter there are some wild swings. Few motorcycles engines maintain a stable engine temp, including the water cooled ones. The uber tourers are better at it but then have so much mass they are more car line in the engine department anyway.Your car engine sits in the middle of the temp gauge mostly, even in heavy stop and go traffic. I have yet to see a motorcycle that can do the same outside of the 6 cyl gold Wing. Harley's can't and neither can any of the sport tourers. You can idle a car engine for hours, a diesel for days and the temp needle sits there. Idle a water cooled bike for more than a few minutes and watch the temps. They aren't even close to being stable.That doesn't mean it isn't good but it isn't a panacea either.
Interesting that many accept the full blown electronics suite on a current Goose but balk at water cooling because it isn't 'traditional'?
Are there any water-cooled bikes out there in which the manufacturer placed the radiator somewhere other than directly behind the front fork? I guess that would give the greatest air flow, but could you get enough cooling mounting a radiator in a more hidden area? Or hiding the radiator somewhere (under the seat? in front of the rear tire?), and using a small fan to blow air across it? Can you make a water-cooled bike without a gigantic square thing sticking out?I'd be interested in seeing photos of any alternatives, or photos of what folks think is the best stylistic solution to ugly-radiator problem on a "naked" bike.
I'd be interested in seeing photos of any alternatives, or photos of what folks think is the best stylistic solution to ugly-radiator problem on a "naked" bike.
Are there any water-cooled bikes out there in which the manufacturer placed the radiator somewhere other than directly behind the front fork? I'd be interested in seeing photos of any alternatives, or photos of what folks think is the best stylistic solution to ugly-radiator problem on a "naked" bike.
For ME, it's NOT about tradition.It's about:1. Aesthetics - cleaner more simplistic lines.2. Maintenance - no coolant to change periodically or to drain when doing valve adjustments, no pump, thermostat, or radiator, and fewer hoses to worry about replacing.3. Need - my bikes all make enough power and run amazingly clean compared to bike of a barely a decade ago. I just don't personally have the NEED for any perceived benefit of water-cooling. So I prefer to stick to air-cooled bikes, and will, as long as I can. That's not to say that I completely dismiss the possibility of owning another water-cooled bike in the future... the Scout is probably the only current contender for that spot in the garage though.
My dumb little NT700V (Deauville) would idle for at least 20 min with needle staying put. Fan motor kicked in when you slow down to a stop. Must have been a big enough fan for the job.
I agree somewhat on the looks and need. But, maintenance? There just isn't any to speak of. I am one who does not believe in flushing the systems on a regular basis so only maintenance was maybe a hose every 50-100k miles.Yes, there are more parts and that means more possiblities of failure, but, it's no more likely to fail than the bevel drive on your Stone.Unless of course, MG does a poor job of designing the system. :D