Author Topic: Anyone using Windows 10? (Read 72546 times)

Kentktk · « **Reply #120 on:** August 19, 2015, 11:09:23 AM »

Quote from: rodekyll on August 19, 2015, 03:47:46 AM

turbine aircraft there must also be a backup device accessible on the flight deck. Pay particular attention to the last point -- the FAA has the SAME confidence in an ipad as it does any other PED -- limited.

The backup device is the other pilots iPad or PED. Both pilots had to carry paper so they must have had little limited confidence in paper also

Kentktk · « **Reply #121 on:** August 19, 2015, 11:10:40 AM »

Quote from: Chuck in Indiana on August 19, 2015, 11:04:09 AM

Nope. When this all started, there were several versions of the Android OS. The software designers focused on the Ipad at first because it was easier. It has nothing whatsoever to do with which system is "better." Now, you can get the same stuff on Android, and there is no difference to the end user in how it operates.

Easier IS better

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #122 on:** August 19, 2015, 11:27:11 AM »

I know I'm wasting my mad typing skilz, yo.. but..

Easier WAS better. :) Now, there's no difference. Really.
Know why I have an Android tablet? It was FREE (Guzzi content) with my half price phone. (More Guzzi content) I seriously shopped an Ipad Mini for a good while. An equivalent Mini is $400. Want more memory, Apple is glad to sell you another Mini..there's no memory upgrade..for 100 bux for 16 gig. The Android has a slot for a memory chip. Cheap. Want an extra 32 gig? Put a chip in it. Oh. The Mini can't use cell towers, either. It's very well built, though.

rodekyll · « **Reply #123 on:** August 19, 2015, 11:57:43 AM »

Quote from: Chuck in Indiana on August 19, 2015, 06:08:02 AM

The reason there are more ipads in the cockpit is because there are more companies that write software for them. It has nothing to do with which system is "better."

I think the reasonable people have always said a computer is a tool. If it does the job, go for it.

The platform requirements for nav software are minimal. Almost any post-y-2k machine has the horsepower. Almost any computer since 2003 has the storage. The FAA doesn't specify WHAT a PED is, only what it must feature. So my Toughbook or Sony laptop or my MacBook would qualify if it met specs.

Kent -- you've been debunked. Give it a rest.

On-topic -- just tried the W10 on my Panasonic Toughbook tablet. It flunked me on the tablet buttons, built in gps and built-in 3G.

charlie b · « **Reply #124 on:** August 19, 2015, 11:59:19 AM »

Don't fret Chuck. Those that drink from the fruit bar will never admit they are wrong.

The 1st gen iPad I had (and tossed into the trash) was harder to use and more limited in functionality than my Android tablet (which cost less than half as much).

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #125 on:** August 19, 2015, 12:44:03 PM »

I just picked out a $99 8" Winbook for my daughter. It runs all of her work TOOLS and would even make a great device for the garage to run GuzziDiag. (for the deluded, that will not run on an overpriced iPood)
Plugged my $15 USB borescope in and had a convenient borescope TOOL.
But it is Win 8.1, and only 32GB. I'm not sure there is a point in trying to upgrade it to Win 10, since the tablet friendly Win 8.1 is fine in this case. It has a microSD card slot, unlike the overpriced you know what..... so it can be expanded cheaply enough.

Tom · « **Reply #126 on:** August 19, 2015, 01:03:22 PM »

Quote from: Markcarovilli on August 19, 2015, 05:31:58 AM

All tho nothing about Windows 10 ........

Mark

Odd. The thread is marked "NGC". You have the ultimate right for censorship but you decided to read it and post a comment.

Maybe not that bad of a thread.

Markcarovilli · « **Reply #127 on:** August 19, 2015, 01:31:54 PM »

not good or bad by my thoughts - and no censorship implied....

just kinda looking for input on W10 but I could bring up sliderules now that was a good operating system

Mark

Tom · « **Reply #128 on:** August 19, 2015, 02:24:02 PM »

Frankly, a manual typewriter or pen and paper is better sometimes.....

ITSec · « **Reply #129 on:** August 19, 2015, 02:31:46 PM »

Quote from: Markcarovilli on August 19, 2015, 01:31:54 PM

not good or bad by my thoughts - and no censorship implied....

just kinda looking for input on W10 but I could bring up sliderules now that was a good operating system

Mark

I still have a bamboo slide rule (real glass in the slider!), a cheaper plastic one, and an engineer's circular slide rule - and I'm an IT guy!

Tom · « **Reply #130 on:** August 19, 2015, 02:34:21 PM »

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #131 on:** August 19, 2015, 07:22:08 PM »

Quote from: ITSec on August 19, 2015, 02:31:46 PM

I still have a bamboo slide rule (real glass in the slider!), a cheaper plastic one, and an engineer's circular slide rule - and I'm an IT guy!

Still have my circular slide rule. No, I have no idea how to operate it any longer.

Kentktk · « **Reply #132 on:** August 19, 2015, 09:21:30 PM »

Quote from: rodekyll on August 19, 2015, 11:57:43 AM

So my Toughbook or Sony laptop or my MacBook would qualify if it met specs.

Well there`s an issue right there. I think like all Old guys, you need your nap.

rodekyll · « **Reply #133 on:** August 20, 2015, 04:08:03 PM »

Quote from: Kentktk on August 19, 2015, 09:21:30 PM

Well there`s an issue right there. I think like all Old guys, you need your nap.

You mean a non, issue, but I understand with the nap comment that you’re asking for it, so here goes:

I’ll break this into two posts because it’s long. First part is background.

My flight was delayed on account of someone plugged the toilet and it took a team of college boys an hour to sort it out. While we were waiting, the crew invited folks to tour the flight deck. I had a long conversation with the flight crew, explaining only that I'm a private pilot interested in the technology. I asked my questions neutrally, without leading the answers. Although I had initially engaged the First Officer, the rest of the crew joined in on account of they are very enthusiastic about the benefits of the technology. I assured them I wouldn’t mention any names if I repeated anything, so I’m not really assigning any comments to any person. I’m paraphrasing the comments of course, but I’ve diligently kept the content and context. Here's what I learned.

Kent's airline was maybe the first to go to EFB (electronic flight bag) technology some 5-ish years ago (one thought 4 years, another 6). Since then they figure all commercial carriers have adopted some form of EFB.

So what is EFB?

EFB is a device that replaces the pilots' 'flight bag'. The bag would typically contain company documents, aircraft specific documents like performance data, weight and balance charts, checklists, etc. It would also carry the runway and taxiway paper maps for the airports on the route, printouts of weather information, nav charts, etc. Before EFB the pilot or first officer had to stop by the office and pick up the latest copies of these documents. Once the cabin door was closed no more updates were possible. So as much as I am aghast at them retiring paper, the EFB has a lot of advantages.

With an electronic flight bag all that stuff is stored on a computer and updates to weather and traffic information can be accessed as they occur, route info and maps can be downloaded instead of printed out. So data is more up-to-date and accessible, and the flight deck clutter is reduced. Kent's airline is essentially paperless on the flight deck. They use ipad air tablets and the devices are replaced every couple of years.

Stay tuned as I copy over the next portion.

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #134 on:** August 20, 2015, 05:39:05 PM »

Quote

In fact the consensus was that with the software used, there was no differences in devices other than size.

That's what I said.
Your personal attacks are totally uncalled for, Kent..

Kentktk · « **Reply #135 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:05:52 PM »

Quote from: Chuck in Indiana on August 20, 2015, 05:39:05 PM

That's what I said.
Your personal attacks are totally uncalled for, Kent..

"In conclusion, the only thing that sucks in this debate is Kent"

What would you call this? A love letter?

rodekyll · « **Reply #136 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:14:20 PM »

Quote from: Kentktk on August 20, 2015, 06:05:52 PM

"In conclusion, the only thing that sucks in this debate is Kent"

What would you call this? A love letter?

You opened that door, Skippy. You don't get to complain about it now.

If this constant disruption and interference of topics is your idea of fun, perhaps we need to have you gone. These threads aren't posted as springboards for your verbal vomit. Here, as always, you've once again been proven a liar. Maybe it's time for you to move on. You're no asset to the WG community.

Kentktk · « **Reply #137 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:26:51 PM »

Quote from: rodekyll on August 20, 2015, 06:14:20 PM

You opened that door, Skippy. You don't get to complain about it now.

If this constant disruption and interference of topics is your idea of fun, perhaps we need to have you gone. These threads aren't posted as springboards for your verbal vomit. Here, as always, you've once again been proven a liar. Maybe it's time for you to move on. You're no asset to the WG community.

Oh my,you woke up rather grumpy from your nap. There are no lies just opinions and without me you wouldn`t have anything useful to do, like defend a great big crap of a company like MicroSh-t. I suggest continuing on with your nap and dream of things old bones can`t do anymore.

The moderator should pull the thread soon and all your crying will be for not.

rodekyll · « **Reply #138 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:59:43 PM »

The facts speak for themselves.

. . . . and threaten me with the moderator?

I'd offer you a ride to the door myself, but I can't find a bus short enough.

StuCorpe · « **Reply #139 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:03:55 PM »

Personally I am getting a little bit tired of the anti Microsoft (or any other company) rants. At least we get constructive comments from some people.

:Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu

canuguzzi · « **Reply #140 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:39:51 PM »

Quote from: rodekyll on August 20, 2015, 06:14:20 PM

You opened that door, Skippy. You don't get to complain about it now.

If this constant disruption and interference of topics is your idea of fun, perhaps we need to have you gone. These threads aren't posted as springboards for your verbal vomit. Here, as always, you've once again been proven a liar. Maybe it's time for you to move on. You're no asset to the WG community.

:1:

I have an extra liter of 10w60 to donate to help lube the skids.

Luap McKeever · « **Reply #141 on:** August 20, 2015, 08:18:35 PM »

Simple topic. Turned bad. Not sure why, but I have received more complaints about this thread than I have anything else in a long time. So, I did a little pruning. Let's all play nicely....shall we?

Kentktk · « **Reply #142 on:** August 20, 2015, 08:47:43 PM »

Quote from: rodekyll on August 20, 2015, 06:59:43 PM

The facts speak for themselves.

. . . . and threaten me with the moderator? I'd offer you a ride to the door myself, but I can't find a bus short enough.

Grandpa, Just think, someday your life could be in my hands on an airplane ride, don`t worry I`ll get you to that Microsoft BBQ safely and on time.

Luap McKeever · « **Reply #143 on:** August 20, 2015, 09:07:25 PM »

Quote from: Kentktk on August 20, 2015, 08:47:43 PM

Grandpa, Just think, someday your life could be in my hands on an airplane ride, don`t worry I`ll get you to that Microsoft BBQ safely and on time.

Are you blind? Enough of the insults already. I have better things to do than follow you around and babysit. I know you've already said that this is fun for you...stirring the pot. It's not fun for me at all. When things are not fun for me, I cut them out.

Quote from: Luap McKeever on August 20, 2015, 08:18:35 PM

Simple topic. Turned bad. Not sure why, but I have received more complaints about this thread than I have anything else in a long time. So, I did a little pruning. Let's all play nicely....shall we?

rodekyll · « **Reply #144 on:** August 21, 2015, 04:35:58 AM »

Back on track then . . .

Just finished configuring w10 on a dell 1545 laptop (2Gb). The load was without drama -- all hardware and software on board compatible. Updated. Then I went poking around to see what's up with it.

The desktop is close enough to w7/8.1 classic to not be annoying. The start menu is there as well as desktop icons. The control panel looks different and arranges control applets differently. The 'file/run' function is back as a 'quick lookup' box in the file explorer, so my two favorite tools -- the registry editor and msconfig -- are easily accessible. There is a new internet browser, but I didn't pay much attention to that.

I noticed post-upgrade that the computer shut down and started much more slowly, and that the RAM use and process count was up. A quick look at the programs and apps control panel showed a lot of gimmie software had been loaded. Some of the Microsoft-branded stuff that hadn't been there is not uninstallable in the home version, at least with default user privileges. I uninstalled a bunch of stuff, beautified the startup configuration and got 5sec shutdowns and 26sec boots. I'm not making that to be good or bad, it's just what it is, which is about 3x faster shutdown than the w7 it replaced and ~a minute faster on startup.

Overall my initial impression is that I can live with it more peacefully than 8 and 8.1, and that it has done this laptop no harm. We'll see how it goes over the next few days' use.

fossil · « **Reply #145 on:** August 21, 2015, 05:30:12 AM »

This shorter startup time is interesting. I presume you use a "classical" drive. My laptop has an SSD and here the startup time was ridiculously short with Win7 Pro 64. I have exterienced no shorter time here.

rodekyll · « **Reply #146 on:** August 21, 2015, 05:48:07 AM »

Yes, a traditional drive. The difference was that the load of w10 had my RAM use up to about 75% (of 2gb) and it was running about 80 processes. After I removed some of the software and trimmed down the startup config, there was 55% RAM use and 62 processes.

A lot of that unnecessary overhead came from stuff in the w10 upgrade. It's really no different than the gratuitous memory draining stuff a company like dell or hp adds to their loads. When I prepare a new computer I'm cleaning up that same kind of dead wood.

Tom · « **Reply #147 on:** August 21, 2015, 12:05:53 PM »

Thanks! Your review is one of the better ones.

My intent for the thread was for some input on the Windows 10 upgrade. I'm not as computer informed as some of the forum members.

Thanks, Luap! I thought about locking the thread but I'm not that type of guy.

Tom · « **Reply #148 on:** August 21, 2015, 12:51:10 PM »

Quote from: Tom on August 21, 2015, 12:05:53 PM

Thanks, Luap! I thought about locking the thread but I'm not that type of guy.

Had to check if that feature was still available. Empty threat. I can remove it though.

rodekyll · « **Reply #149 on:** August 21, 2015, 02:42:16 PM »

That's all I was trying to do here until the trouble started. I'm hoping that with the distraction gone we can get the topic productive again.

The clear speed-up due to w10 seems to be in shutting down. We've been using it and doing full shutdowns between sessions just to get a feel for everything. When you tell it to power down it drops like it's been shot. None of that "windows is shutting down . . . . .shutting down . . . .shutting down . . . ." It just goes away in about the same time or less than holding down the power button. We tried shutting down with programs deliberately left open and it prompted for programs that still need to close, just like in the old money.

Also firefox seems to be faster and smoother -- you can shut off ad delivery, too.

We tried the upgrade on a dimension 9000 laptop (XP/w7 vintage) and were unsuccessful. It tried to load -- didn't claim any conflicts, but the load 'faded' and hung during the process. We were able to roll it back.

MS has said w10 isn't going to upgrade a pirated copy of w7. When I get home I'm going to grab a junk computer, force an unlicensed load of 7 and see what happens when I try to step up to 10.

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