Anyone using Windows 10?

[ajwood]

Blue Screen Of Happiness?
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/windows-10-black-screen-of-death/6c3bbb22-fac1-4f3f-9c39-4b4ec5366540?page=2&auth=1

[charlie b]

I've done it on two machines and neither has had any problems (they were both Win7).  I upgraded wife's laptop but she didn't like the interface so she went back to Win8.

I have one more to do once I finish verifying that some special hardware drivers will work with it.

[rocker59]

So, if I'm happy with Windows 8.1 and Classic Shell, is there any compelling reason for me to "upgrade" to Windows 10 ??

[Wayne Orwig]

Longer support life.
A button that lets you decide if you want a more Win 7 or Win 8.1 (tablet) style interface.
You can run new 'modern apps' and old 'desktop apps' side by side.
It no longer does the 'mouse in the corners' thing, which worked well if you had a touch screen, but was odd if you did not.
The email and 'people' apps on Win 10 appear to support more services than Win 8.1 did.

But then, if you are happy....... don't fix it if it ain't broke.

[rboe]

Normally an upgrade is a no brainer. But since XP, Microsoft has made me change my mind on that. Well, maybe since ME, but I was able to avoid that one.

If you have a good working system now (and is not too old) with software that does what you need, headaches are few and far between - just keep on truckin' with what you have. Some of the upgrades are to the benefit of the user, but too many seem to be for the benefit of Microsoft and the corporate world that makes a dime off you. If the user side had more of a payoff to make the rest tolerable I'd be a wee bit more inclined to at least say - meh - flip a coin.

I did it on my Lenovo laptop but it's rarely used (using the tool analogy, the Lenovo is my Whitworth set of tools  ) and I had heard good things about it in the chatter within the Industry.  When I drink the Koolaid, I drink Apple. When I need to be productive I grab what works. 10 for the desktop was three steps backwards so she stayed at 7. Nice to have things that work vs. shiny new stuff that doesn't (or just as bad, works but you have no idea how to use it).

[jackson]

I'm staying with Windows 7.  It's very stable, not broken and for me, there's no reason to upgrade.
Just saw this article a few minutes ago. http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/12/technology/microsoft-windows-10-update/index.html

[ajwood]

After Windows XP was made obsolete, I'm hanging onto W7 for as long as there is support. 

[Mark West]

I upgraded my relatively new Toshiba laptop from 8.1 to 10 in hopes that it would improve the speed. from what I've seen there is a slight improvement but negligible and it's still a huge disappointment. no matter how much faster hardware gets, Microsoft finds a way to use it all and more. Someone needs to slap those people upside the head and tell them sometimes less is more.

I've tried disabling services that are supposedly resource hogs and done some other things I've read about but nothing has really improved it much. My 7 year old iMac at home runs circles around my one year old laptop for anything that I do. Similarly my cheap old clone at work running XP is also great compared to the POS 10.

Another step backward for technology....

[rboe]

If your Toshiba is not running an SSD (solid state hard drive) check the rpm rating on it. If it's a 5400rpm drive, upgrading to 7200rpm drive is like doubling your main memory. Next step would be to an SSD drive.

If your main RAM is not max'd out, do so. If you are running Office or any photo apps, 16GB will do wonders. I consider 8GB to be the bare minimum.

Find out from the manufacture or use the calculator from a memory supplier (e.g. crucial, corsair etc.) to see what the maximum your laptop can take.

Laptops are funny; Lenovo's for example, can have one bank of memory easily accessible from a hatch on the bottom of the laptop but the second port in under the keyboard. Youtube vids can help show you how to get to it. Not as hard as it would first seem to be. Thinkpad hard drives are also very easy to replace so I suspect your Toshiba would be fairly easy too.

[charlie b]

I upgraded my relatively new Toshiba laptop from 8.1 to 10 in hopes that it would improve the speed. from what I've seen there is a slight improvement but negligible and it's still a huge disappointment. no matter how much faster hardware gets, Microsoft finds a way to use it all and more. Someone needs to slap those people upside the head and tell them sometimes less is more.

This.

Used to be that a big part of a programmers life was spent trying to make software 'lean and mean'.  We ran a billion dollar laser system on three computers running 64KB (not MB) of memory and a 5MB hard drive.

Nowdays it's all about how many little gadgets you can have.  So what if it takes a few GB of memory or a 100GHz processing speed.  Just makes the users have to buy new computers.

[sign216]

Someone needs to slap those people upside the head and tell them sometimes less is more.

"Less is more" is a my mantra for most things.

So I ride a smallblock.

And I'm still using Windows 7.

[ITSec]

While officially there is no such thing as a 'service pack' for Windows 10, the new patch set released this week is being acknowledged by MS leaders as basically filling the role of 'Service Pack 1' for the new OS.

This is an important step, since many IT pros (like me) advise waiting till the SP1 stage before upgrading. I'll be applying this new update to my Win10 test units, and will post anything remarkable here. Some important things to note are that additional drivers are available, further refinement of system boot speed and other things are claimed, and the level of control over application of updates for users with Pro or Enterprise Win10 has been improved. We'll see....

[Kentktk]

I upgraded my relatively new Toshiba laptop from 8.1 to 10 in hopes that it would improve the speed. from what I've seen there is a slight improvement but negligible and it's still a huge disappointment. no matter how much faster hardware gets, Microsoft finds a way to use it all and more. Someone needs to slap those people upside the head and tell them sometimes less is more.

I've tried disabling services that are supposedly resource hogs and done some other things I've read about but nothing has really improved it much. My 7 year old iMac at home runs circles around my one year old laptop for anything that I do. Similarly my cheap old clone at work running XP is also great compared to the POS 10.

Another step backward for technology....

Yup,  sounds familiar, maybe they need to add some more Apple(s)to their diet over there

[charlie b]

Yeah, except I still remember the "upgrade" from OS9 to OS X.  Horrible.  Apple is the leader of stupid features that add bloat to a system.

The new service pack has sped up the boot time on my laptop.  Program launching seems a bit smoother.

[Tom]

So far my ASUS laptop is working fine.  I keep getting upgrade notices for drivers. 

I upgraded my Sony Vaio and desktop to the Linux upgrade killed both.

[Cool Runnings]

I shut off automatic updates, no windoze 1.0 for mi.

[Muzz]

Yeah, except I still remember the "upgrade" from OS9 to OS X.  Horrible.  Apple is the leader of stupid features that add bloat to a system.

I can do all sorts of card banking on my apple iPad wifi'd to a banking machine. So far I have been told NOT to download the last two updates because they don't now support the banking.  How does that work????

[Kentktk]

I can do all sorts of card banking on my apple iPad wifi'd to a banking machine. So far I have been told NOT to download the last two updates because they don't now support the banking.  How does that work????

I don`t know. 

[ITSec]

I can do all sorts of card banking on my apple iPad wifi'd to a banking machine. So far I have been told NOT to download the last two updates because they don't now support the banking.  How does that work????

The bank's application makes what are described as 'calls' to standard operating system components, and expects them to respond in a particular way. If the update changes those responses, the bank needs to update its application (or website) to handle the new responses correctly before it can accept users with the upgraded system. This is a chronic problem with applications that are tied too closely to the system they run on.

[Zoom Zoom]

While officially there is no such thing as a 'service pack' for Windows 10, the new patch set released this week is being acknowledged by MS leaders as basically filling the role of 'Service Pack 1' for the new OS.

This is an important step, since many IT pros (like me) advise waiting till the SP1 stage before upgrading. I'll be applying this new update to my Win10 test units, and will post anything remarkable here. Some important things to note are that additional drivers are available, further refinement of system boot speed and other things are claimed, and the level of control over application of updates for users with Pro or Enterprise Win10 has been improved. We'll see....

I've been following this thread waiting to see if I really, really wanted top make the change. I've read the article you linked to on Slate, and still wonder weather to take the plunge. Somewhere, maybe in that article or somewhere on this thread, I saw mention of not using the new browser but continuing to use Firefox, Chrome, or IE. Regarding IE: I thought it would go away. Is it still there?

John Henry

[Wayne Orwig]

I've been following this thread waiting to see if I really, really wanted top make the change. I've read the article you linked to on Slate, and still wonder weather to take the plunge. Somewhere, maybe in that article or somewhere on this thread, I saw mention of not using the new browser but continuing to use Firefox, Chrome, or IE. Regarding IE: I thought it would go away. Is it still there?

There is a new browser on Win 10 called Edge. It works well. IE is still loaded in case Edge is not compatible. We have one web site we use for project management at work that is only compatible with IE. Other than that, I use Edge.
I gave up on Chrome when I get Edge because it is a huge resource hog, even when you aren't running it. Never tried Firefox.

[redrider90]

I am going to guess you could install 10 on a USB flash drive: but I do not know if it is possible on a PC.
 I did that with El Capitan to see if I liked it enough to do a clean installation of El Capitan on my Mac. 
So I bought a Lexar 64 GB P20 jump drive that has read speeds rated @ 400 MB/s and write @ 270 MB/s. I down loaded El Capitan onto and then moved most of my files over from from my hard drive that is running Mavericks. I checked the speed with Black Magic and it reads and writes as advertised. Although obviously not as fast as my hard drive this flash drive works well enough to see how I like El Capitan which I like a lot and will do a clean install one of these days.
NOTE  I am NOT trying to hijack this into a Mac vs Windows thread OK So no  stuff. I bring this up solely as an option that if it works on Windows will give you an idea if you want to make the move. I bought this jump drive for $35. I'll have plenty of use for it after I make the move over to El Capitan. In fact I may install my present OS X on it and keep all the files just for a back up. Not that I am that geeky but it has the capacity for me to take my computer contents in my pocket and run it off another computer if I was traveling.
In any case it is amazing to find a flash drive powerful enough to run a complete operating system with all files added on. Just do not push it to do too much. It's never crashed just takes a minute to sort out everything if I put in too many commands.

[rboe]

Finally got the "service pack" to install on my laptop running Windows 10.  Looks like some new multi-media stuff was installed; stuff I simply don't use. Big Meh from me. Your mileage may differ.

[Wayne Orwig]

Finally got the "service pack" to install on my laptop running Windows 10.  Looks like some new multi-media stuff was installed; stuff I simply don't use. Big Meh from me. Your mileage may differ.

It will now sync 'Edge' favorites between devices. That is one thing I liked about Chrome. Other than that, I don't see much.

[ITSec]

I've been following this thread waiting to see if I really, really wanted top make the change. I've read the article you linked to on Slate, and still wonder weather to take the plunge. Somewhere, maybe in that article or somewhere on this thread, I saw mention of not using the new browser but continuing to use Firefox, Chrome, or IE. Regarding IE: I thought it would go away. Is it still there?

John Henry

As Wayne mentioned, there is the new Edge browser as well as an upgraded IE. IE carries a lot of baggage (read backwards compatibility), but Edge may not always work with corporate websites. IE will be (to use the official term) 'deprecated' - in other words, gradually starved and left to die. Opera was my mainstay till they abandoned their own engine and became a Chrome clone. Chrome has issues of privacy and code bloat. Firefox, while not what I would most like, is now my primary browser. I currently rate them as Firefox, Edge, Opera, Chrome, IE...

[ohiorider]

This.

Used to be that a big part of a programmers life was spent trying to make software 'lean and mean'.  We ran a billion dollar laser system on three computers running 64KB (not MB) of memory and a 5MB hard drive.

Nowdays it's all about how many little gadgets you can have.  So what if it takes a few GB of memory or a 100GHz processing speed.  Just makes the users have to buy new computers.

Brings back old memories of putting 4 pounds into a two pound bag, and often doing it with some creativity.  I worked for the Friden Division of The Singer Company, selling Flexowriters and Computypers.  Maybe some of you guys and gals remember these machines.  The Flexowriters (very robust automatic typing machines) had no math capabilities, but could be linked to multiple paper tape readers in, paper tape punches out, and interfaced to IBM keypunches so that tab cards were punched as docs were typed.

The Computyper (5610) was basically a Flexowriter linked to a processor.  It had no disk memory, 60 data registers of 13 (maybe 14) places, decimal point and + - sign.  Since core memory was so expensive at the time, program and data memory was based on a delay line with transducers on each end of a 50' wire.  Torsional twists were introduced to the wire ... a twist in one direction represented a 1, in the other direction a zero.  When all this twisting got to the end of the coiled wire, it was put back on the beginning of the wire with a repeating transducer.  "Repetitive" typing tasks used edge punched cards.  500 customers = a tub file containing 500 edge punched cards.  You sold 300 items =  300 edge punched cards.

Regarding the delay line storage .... don't pull the plug, or you'll be starting over.  We sold a lot of Sola constant voltage regulators, because a line spike could shut it all down, much to the dismay of the accounting dept. running payroll!

Fun stuff ... and all gone by 1975.

[Toystoretom]

I have a HP laptop that is running Windows 8.1 and I kept getting pop up messages imploring me to upgrade to Windows 10. I don't use this laptop a whole lot, mostly for tuning motorcycles. I have TuneBoy, Tune ECU, Power Commander GuzziDiag and some other reference stuff on it so I thought I'd do the upgrade, because Windows 8 is just plain weird.

It downloaded for a long time, 2 hours plus, and had the usual windows installation software, a cleanup thing, a Windows photo program. It looked like it was going great and then it just vanished. Nothing. It didn't install, no error messages, no nothing. I still have Windows 8.1 and it seems to work. I Googled "8.1 Installation Problems" and it came up with every kind of nonsense you can imagine. Most of those started with "Click on Start".... 8.1 doesn't have start. No one seems to be able to resolve this and the Windows website is in denial.

You might want to pass on this "upgrade" and if you are thinking about doing it to a work computer run like the wind. Buy a Mac.

Tom

[LowRyter]

I have an HP laptop that has been sending messages for three months about obtaining 10.  And then tells me it may send it me in a few days or a few months.  It's been months and I've gotten nothing.

[Cool Runnings]

I shut off automatic updates, I'm keeping Windows 7 as long as I can. 

[NC Steve]

I shut off automatic updates, I'm keeping Windows 7 as long as I can. 

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