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940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« on: August 22, 2015, 06:39:52 AM »
http://rocket-garage.blogspot.it/2015/02/moto-guzzi-940-sport.html

I know it's just photoshop, but, I like it.    I know that it is dreaming but, I would love if it had the 2V motor as pictured, but, I'm thinking that it will be a 4V motor.

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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2015, 07:09:22 AM »
2V motor is dead & forgotten by Guzzi
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2015, 07:19:08 AM »
And this photo shop is more than 6 months old...
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2015, 07:25:21 AM »
There will be no more 2V big blocks. Ever. Not going to happen.  :rolleyes:

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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2015, 08:20:32 AM »
Our man in the street says it will likely be based on the small block. An 8v 940 in a Bellagio chassis would be great. However I do not believe that is what will see in Milan this fall
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2015, 10:17:34 AM »
A true newer version of the Le Mans 1  :thumb:

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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2015, 10:21:58 AM »
Our man in the street says it will likely be based on the small block. An 8v 940 in a Bellagio chassis would be great. However I do not believe that is what will see in Milan this fall

1400 LeMans  :evil:
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2015, 10:27:40 AM »
1400 LeMans  :evil:


1400 Le Mans is oxymoron.   1400 Italian Huyabusa maybe.

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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2015, 10:33:06 AM »
there's no Guzzi that could run with a 'busa.  Now if your point is that the 1400 couldn't be put in a compact package like a spiney, I'm not so sure.  Anyway, the LeMans was never a GSXr.
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2015, 10:35:07 AM »
Not my cup of tea but something like this might cause Chuck in Indiana to unlock the chains on his money vault.  <shrug>
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2015, 10:44:25 AM »
Small block? In an interview in one of our german magazines the designer of Moto Guzzi was asked why the beautiful Bellagio big block was not to find in a classical street bike, the more as Guzzi mostly sells this type of bike (the V7). He answered: "interesting idea! We should do something like that!"
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2015, 11:03:28 AM »
there's no Guzzi that could run with a 'busa.  Now if your point is that the 1400 couldn't be put in a compact package like a spiney, I'm not so sure.  Anyway, the LeMans was never a GSXr.



Nor would a 1400 Le Mans ever be a GSXr.  The original Le Mans was lighter than the other Guzzis.  A 1400 Guzzi would not be light as if it was a good handler nor fast as if it was sporty.   Instead it would be a porker in racy looking clothing, like a V7.   
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2015, 11:09:46 AM »


Nor would a 1400 Le Mans ever be a GSXr.  The original Le Mans was lighter than the other Guzzis.  A 1400 Guzzi would not be light as if it was a good handler nor fast as if it was sporty.   Instead it would be a porker in racy looking clothing, like a V7.

What do you think the difference in weight is between the 1200 8V, the 1400 8V, the Daytona 1000, and the Sport 1100 engines ??

My money says "not much".

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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2015, 11:22:12 AM »
What do you think the difference in weight is between the 1200 8V, the 1400 8V, the Daytona 1000, and the Sport 1100 engines ??

My money says "not much".



Have no idea.  The Sport 1100s weighed a lot more than my `81 CX100, `87 IV Le Mans, I know that.  Rode a Daytona 1000 once but not long enough to know it's weight.
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2015, 11:32:21 AM »


Have no idea.  The Sport 1100s weighed a lot more than my `81 CX100, `87 IV Le Mans, I know that.  Rode a Daytona 1000 once but not long enough to know it's weight.

"engine weight".  we're just talking engines, right?

If you take a 485lbs Sport 1100 and stuff a 1400 8V in place of the 1100 4v, what will the weight increase be?  "not much".

10lbs?  20lbs?  Not much.

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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2015, 11:35:28 AM »


I have a 81-CX and a Daytona RS. I'd rather ride the Daytona in the twisty's than the CX and if there is a weight difference it can't be by that much but that is just a guess.
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2015, 11:39:30 AM »
Too lazy to merge this thread into the 936 cafe racer thread right now, but will post a pic...

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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2015, 11:48:19 AM »
"engine weight".  we're just talking engines, right?

If you take a 485lbs Sport 1100 and stuff a 1400 8V in place of the 1100 4v, what will the weight increase be?  "not much".

10lbs?  20lbs?  Not much.

does anyone know the weight of the Spiney vs Tonti LeMans?  Not that it means anything here.  I just thought the spiney might weight a little less
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2015, 11:51:58 AM »
I'd have that bike. Big block, small block, I dont really care as long as the bike itself was larger than the V7 series. Maybe time for a four valve small block to finally be put into production, like that aero engine project?
The V7 series just feels like a little bike to me. Probably a good thing to get more new riders to buy, but the Tonti or spine frames fits me best.
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2015, 12:31:50 PM »
... Maybe time for a four valve small block to finally be put into production, like that aero engine project?

The Aero engine is a 2-valve engine.  It has hemi-heads, instead of the customary heron heads, that's what makes it more powerful.   The bike that went into (Lario) originally had 4-valve heads.     The Lario engine (heads to be specific) where, unfortunately, not reliable, as they had a nasty habit of dropping valves.
 
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2015, 01:16:06 PM »
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does anyone know the weight of the Spiney vs Tonti LeMans?  Not that it means anything here.  I just thought the spiney might weight a little less



All right, you guys made me do some work...........dry weights

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`04 EV 1100            553#
`05 EVT 1100          573#   
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2015, 02:11:53 PM »
Spiney weighs about the same with stiffer frame, stronger suspension, and wider wheels/tires. 

It will be interesting to see a new LeMans/Sport model.  1400 or otherwise. 
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2015, 04:17:52 PM »
Not my cup of tea but something like this might cause Chuck in Indiana to unlock the chains on his money vault.  <shrug>

Well now, Chuck.. you *know* I'd look good on something like that..  :laugh:
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2015, 07:14:12 PM »
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All right, you guys made me do some work...........dry weights

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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2015, 08:17:30 PM »
The Aero engine is a 2-valve engine.  It has hemi-heads, instead of the customary heron heads, that's what makes it more powerful.   The bike that went into (Lario) originally had 4-valve heads.     The Lario engine (heads to be specific) where, unfortunately, not reliable, as they had a nasty habit of dropping valves.

Lario had shit valves and high compression springs/weak cams and happily revved; not a good combo.  They can get this right.  Anyhow, I KNOW what a high output small block feels like with 8-valves and it's BIG feeling.  It's light and it's FUN.  When set up with GOOD suspension it is stable as hell and flickable beyond the big boys.  My vote is for a sb 8-valve.  Keep it light and it's addictive beyond...
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2015, 10:53:26 PM »
Love my 2v ..... like my 8v.  It's a personal thing.  I'd also like to see a rebirth of the pushrod bb engine in a sporty Guzzi.  And of course I know this will never happen. 

I found this article a good read.  It stung when the writer dissed my lovely 1200 Sport as a plain vanilla bike, along with the Norge and Stelvio, but I enjoyed looking at the pix of the lovely 2v pieces used in the highly modified, never to be seen again pushrod two valve big block.  Really sang the praises of the V11 format.  Why not?  What's not to like?

http://www.odd-bike.com/2015/01/millepercento-moto-guzzis-filling-void.html

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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2015, 06:07:40 AM »
Love my 2v ..... like my 8v.  It's a personal thing.  I'd also like to see a rebirth of the pushrod bb engine in a sporty Guzzi.  And of course I know this will never happen. 

I found this article a good read.  It stung when the writer dissed my lovely 1200 Sport as a plain vanilla bike, along with the Norge and Stelvio, but I enjoyed looking at the pix of the lovely 2v pieces used in the highly modified, never to be seen again pushrod two valve big block.  Really sang the praises of the V11 format.  Why not?  What's not to like?

http://www.odd-bike.com/2015/01/millepercento-moto-guzzis-filling-void.html

Thanks for that.. under the weird area..
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The four-valve heads introduced on the 1984 V65 Lario soon became notorious for snapping the heads off their valves, causing spectacular engine failures at random. The smaller valves used in the new heads were constructed in two pieces, with their poppets welded to the shafts, creating a weak point where they inevitably began to fail. Additionally these motors used overly strong doubled valve springs which tended to accelerate the valves too fast, especially at the higher revolutions that the new four-valve designed offered. Finally the changes in the cylinder head apparently reduced oil misting to the top end, this being quite a big deal as misting from the crankcases was the secondary means of top-end lubrication on the small block engines. The icing on the shit cake was a solid camshaft that self-destructed due to lack of lubrication, a problem fixed by a recall that installed a hollow cam with revised oil flow. All these factors came together into a perfect storm of mechanical destruction, with the four-valve motors fast earning a reputation for being grenades. It is a reputation that persists to this day, with many owners either significantly reworking their valvetrains to improve their chances, or just parking the pitiful things to gather dust rather than risking an expensive blowup.
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2015, 06:23:14 AM »
http://www.odd-bike.com/2015/01/millepercento-moto-guzzis-filling-void.html

Great article -- thanks for posting!

I really like this Ghezzi creation, the Scighera:


Not so much for the look, which I don't hate, but, I'm sure that traditionalists here won't care for, but, the light weight!    419 lbs!     That's only 5 lbs more than the Ducati Monster 696/796/1100!!   

I think that it would look better with a traditional round headlight.    I do think that it is way better looking than the V12 concept bike that was mentioned in a WG thread a while back:
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2015, 07:20:24 AM »
Another giggle..
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Re: 940 Sport? The new hoped for intermediate Guzzi?
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2015, 06:44:45 PM »
Maybe I'm not following the gist of the thread but are we pining for essentially the same weight as a current offering but 15 (1200cc)/33 (1400cc) percent less capacity?

Is the drive towards a short-stroke revver or what?

Assumptions that it will be accompanied by a singularly svelte one-off chassis?


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