Wildguzzi.com
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
Donation Status
News:
New Moto Guzzi Door Mats Available Now
Home
Help
Donations
Advertise
Login
Register
Wildguzzi.com
»
General Category
»
General Discussion
(Moderators:
rocker59
,
Luaps Girl
,
Ncdan
) »
Stripped valve cover holes repair
« previous
next »
Print
Pages: [
1
]
Go Down
Author
Topic: Stripped valve cover holes repair (Read 4733 times)
amamet
Gaggle Hero
Posts: 916
Stripped valve cover holes repair
«
on:
September 06, 2015, 08:21:08 AM »
Need advice on what helicoils to get. I have a 78 G5 with numerous stripped valve cover holes (swear they came to me that way). I'm just getting around to fixing them. I also have a helicoil backing out of 1 of the manifold bolts along with a stripped hole for the banjo bolt on the valve cover. Any help is appreciated. Of course I'll remove the head to do the work. Or should I get a used set of heads to replace them
Thx
Allen
Logged
blackcat
Gaggle Hero
Posts: 9164
Location: USA
Re: Stripped valve cover holes repair
«
Reply #1 on:
September 06, 2015, 08:25:20 AM »
Time-serts will fix the problems.
Logged
1968 Norton Fastback
1976 Lemans
1981 CX-100
1993 1000S
1997 Daytona RS
2007 Red Norge
amamet
Gaggle Hero
Posts: 916
Re: Stripped valve cover holes repair
«
Reply #2 on:
September 06, 2015, 08:36:15 AM »
I was under the assumption that timeserts were better for, say, spark plugs than valve cover holes. Also there are approx 6 stripped holes. Isn't the timesert quite expensive too?
Allen
Logged
Perazzimx14
Gaggle Hero
Posts: 6343
Re: Stripped valve cover holes repair
«
Reply #3 on:
September 06, 2015, 08:39:40 AM »
+1 on Time-serts. Heli coils are junk IMHO.
Since you are pulling the heads why not check into a local machine shop and see what they would charge to time-sert all the holes.
Time-certs are expensive but your heads are worthless if you can't secure the valve cover to it.
«
Last Edit: September 06, 2015, 08:41:42 AM by Perazzimx14
»
Logged
2021 Moto Guzzi V85TT Guardia D'onore
2017 V7 III Carbon Dark #0008 of 1921
2017 Road Glide Special
2020 Kawasaki KLX300SM
2016 Suzuki Van Van 200 AKA Honda Trail 125 killer
2008 Harley Davidson Softail Custom
Antietam Classic Cycle
Gaggle Hero
Posts: 14985
Happily stuck in the past.
Location: Rohrersville, Maryland
Re: Stripped valve cover holes repair
«
Reply #4 on:
September 06, 2015, 08:45:14 AM »
I've used Heli-Coils extensively over the last several years, never had a single issue. <shrug>
Logged
Charlie
travelingbyguzzi
Gaggle Hero
Posts: 1764
God hates a coward
Re: Stripped valve cover holes repair
«
Reply #5 on:
September 06, 2015, 08:50:11 AM »
Nothing wrong with helicoils in this application. Also have helicoils in a couple oilpan locations.
Bill Lovelady
Logged
73 Eldorado
80 Sp
85 Cal II
97 1100Sport
08 1200 Sport AKA:Sweet Leaf
I'm not really drowning; I can see the beach from here.
dl.allen
Gaggle Hero
Posts: 517
Re: Stripped valve cover holes repair
«
Reply #6 on:
September 06, 2015, 09:16:08 AM »
I use helicoils in all my old Triumph applications. Heard good things about time serts never tried them. I use a tiny bit of green Loctite when installing the helicoil, let it dry before inserting bolt and torqueing up.
Logged
Wayne Orwig
Gaggle Hero
Posts: 14104
Location: Hog Mountain
Re: Stripped valve cover holes repair
«
Reply #7 on:
September 06, 2015, 09:54:44 AM »
I have used heli-coils for valve covers, oil pans, and such. I usually add a drop of loctite to keep it in place. For that banjo bolt, you must have it perfectly aligned or it won't seal.
Logged
Scientist have discovered that people will believe anything, if you first say "Scientists have discovered...."
LeRoy
Gaggle Hero
Posts: 1620
Re: Stripped valve cover holes repair
«
Reply #8 on:
September 06, 2015, 04:36:21 PM »
As a tip for others, and maybe in the case of the original poster, take a look at the valve cover bolts in the installed position. In many cases the bolts used are longer than necessary. This allows the threaded end of the bolts to protrude past the hole in the head (many of the holes are through-holes, not blind holes). The exposed threads corrode. Then, when you remove the bolts, the crusty, corroded threads rip up the aluminum threads in the head and yield just he kind of stripped threads you are experiencing.
Consider two potential solutions:
1: Change over to stainless fasteners, get them in a slightly shorter length and use a never-seize compound on the threads
2: Even if you don't change to stainless fasteners, get new ones of a shorter length and use a never-seize compound on the threads
Logged
LeRoy (Bob Sharp)
Rochester, MI U.S.A.
'86 LM 1000 (since new in '86)
'79 V1000 G5 (as of '08 and since sold)
'76 V1000 Convert (since Nov. 09)
'83 1000SP (as of Oct. 15)
Wayne Orwig
Gaggle Hero
Posts: 14104
Location: Hog Mountain
Re: Stripped valve cover holes repair
«
Reply #9 on:
September 06, 2015, 05:49:24 PM »
A box of SS 6x1x25 screws that will do the oil pan and valve covers is less then $10 from McMaster Carr.
I know, there are reasons not to use SS in aluminum. I don't care, a rusted corroded steel bolt does more damage.
«
Last Edit: September 06, 2015, 08:13:49 PM by Wayne Orwig
»
Logged
Scientist have discovered that people will believe anything, if you first say "Scientists have discovered...."
pete mcgee
Gaggle Mentor
Posts: 458
Re: Stripped valve cover holes repair
«
Reply #10 on:
September 06, 2015, 07:57:21 PM »
Stainless steel is fine IF you use an anti sieze with it to stop corrosion and galling.
Steel and alloy should also have an anti sieze between them.
Buy some anti sieze and apply when ever you remove a fastener.
Helicoils work fine in the valve cover and oil pan fasteners, I would use the keyinsets after the point where the helicoils will not fit.
Logged
Pete (no not the Bungendore one)
Light travels faster than sound, which is why some people look intelligent until you hear them speak....
jcctx
Gaggle Hero
Posts: 1618
Location: Parker, Collin Cty., TX
Re: Stripped valve cover holes repair
«
Reply #11 on:
September 07, 2015, 05:56:40 PM »
may be little "rubish" but in a low stress app like this the next size self tapping screw of your choice would seem to be the shortest time/cost solution???
Logged
rodekyll
Gaggle Hero
Posts: 21218
Not my real name
Re: Stripped valve cover holes repair
«
Reply #12 on:
September 07, 2015, 06:19:11 PM »
I sometimes 'fix' a stripped 6mm hole with a 1/4" tap and screw. I don't recommend it on account of it could be construed as a 'hold my beer' repair, but for down&durty it gets the job done.
Logged
20 Ounce Stainless Steel Double Insulated Tumbler
Buy a quality tumbler and support the forum at the same time!
Better than a YETI! BPA and Lead free.
Advertise Here
Print
Pages: [
1
]
Go Up
« previous
next »
Wildguzzi.com
»
General Category
»
General Discussion
(Moderators:
rocker59
,
Luaps Girl
,
Ncdan
) »
Stripped valve cover holes repair
***Wildguzzi Official Logo High Quality 5 Color Window Decals Back In Stock***
Shipping in USA Only. Awesome quality. Back by popular demand. All proceeds go back into the forum.
Best quality vinyl available today. Easy application.
Advertise Here