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Re: V7 Touring
« Reply #60 on: September 16, 2015, 08:14:05 AM »
Some years ago, I traveled all over Southern California on a Vespa ET4, a 150 motor.  It cruised at 65 + all day on the freeway... In the right lane.  With enough planning, I could overtake trucks and slower vehicles.  On hills it slowed a lot and passing power was minimal... But manageable.  I remember having to 'budget' the Vespas power... And that was part of the fun.  I guess the point is, you don't have to have 1000+ cc bike to go somewhere.  All is planning and budgeting what you do have.  My wife loved the vespa... It was comfortable and classic, and limited you to a more relaxed pace.  My V7 stone is a behemoth next to the Vespa, a fire breathing monster by comparison.  I enjoy the visceral feel of the V7 and think it has the perfect amount of horsepower... for me and what I need. 

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Re: V7 Touring
« Reply #61 on: September 16, 2015, 08:16:56 AM »
I agree with Kev on this.  It really isn't SAFE to have extra power on the highway.  Yes, you may ride slower, but, that is usually 'safer' than buzzing along in the fast lane or weaving in and out of traffic or passing those trucks just cause they are going 65 and you want to go 75.

Now, if you WANT the extra power, then by all means keep the EV or get a bike with more power.  But please don't kid yourself that it is for 'safety' reasons.
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Re: V7 Touring
« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2015, 08:27:32 AM »
I'm sorry, but I just don't accept this argument. According to it people should be rear-ended every day on every major highway around you. Granted I've only ridden a number of weeks in CA not decades like I have on the East Coast, but for that to be true the traffic and culture would have to much much different than I have observed.

I concur.  Having ridden in SoCal since 1980... First on a Suzuki 550,more recently on a 150 Vespa and the new v7 stone... I can say, anecdotally, that I have not seen or experienced riders being run down on the highway.  More often, it's the riders on 100+ hp bikes that overestimate their skill that end up as statistics.  Having to budget power on my 150 Vespa on SoCal highways taught me a lot about making due with what you have.  Heck... most of the time the freeways here are a parking lot anyway!

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Re: V7 Touring
« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2015, 08:31:12 AM »
The very existence of alternate methods does not prove either their superiority or the NEED for them.  :wink:

I conceded desire for them from the start of the discussion.  :boozing:

The other option is "lane sharing".  Modern interstates have 12-foot wide lanes.  There is more than enough room for an average passenger car and a motorcycle.

On one occasion in the past couple years, I have had to move left to the yellow line when a pickup with trailer moved into me at about 65mph, and I was unable to accelerate or brake out of his way.  There was plenty of room in the lane, and a few seconds later I was in front of him.

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Re: V7 Touring
« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2015, 08:42:17 AM »
  So , all of the times I've used all the available HP to create a cushion between myself and some clown in a car that was trying to mate with my motorbike were just imaginary ? Maybe you guys live where no cage driver ever tries to occupy the same space as your motorbike is already occupying , around here it is common . Hell , it has happened on an empty two lane road .

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Wow... Didn't realize how dangerous the plains states are.  Perhaps the flat, straight roads encourage faster driving, I can see that.  Or maybe you're a magnet for disgruntled Midwesterners ... come on out to sunny California sometime.  Lots a curvey mountain roads punctuated by unbearable traffic, lol.
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Re: V7 Touring
« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2015, 08:47:43 AM »
Wow... Didn't realize how dangerous the plains states are.  Perhaps the flat, straight roads encourage faster driving, I can see that.  Or maybe you're a magnet for disgruntled Midwesterners ... come on out to sunny California sometime.  Lots a curvey mountain roads punctuated by unbearable traffic, lol.

He's probably referring to Tulsa at Rush Hour, which isn't a cakewalk. 
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Re: V7 Touring
« Reply #66 on: September 16, 2015, 08:50:09 AM »
The other option is "lane sharing".  Modern interstates have 12-foot wide lanes.  There is more than enough room for an average passenger car and a motorcycle.

On one occasion in the past couple years, I have had to move left to the yellow line when a pickup with trailer moved into me at about 65mph, and I was unable to accelerate or brake out of his way.  There was plenty of room in the lane, and a few seconds later I was in front of him.

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Re: V7 Touring
« Reply #67 on: September 16, 2015, 08:51:20 AM »
I know my posts are tiringly long sometimes.  :embarrassed:

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« Reply #68 on: September 16, 2015, 08:53:23 AM »
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It's probably why Dusty doesn't bother replying on the forum to me... he usually just calls me up and we BS for an hour.  :laugh: :azn: :grin:
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« Reply #69 on: September 16, 2015, 09:01:12 AM »
He's probably referring to Tulsa at Rush Hour, which isn't a cakewalk.

I'll take two Tulsa rush hours to one OKC (honestly think Tulsa drivers may have a slight advantage in the mental department).  Of course it may also be the huge amount of truck traffic OKC has on I40 and I35, along with the I44 traffic that comes our way going to and from Tulsa.  Sometimes it seems like we are a major crossroads for interstate traffic!   :wink:

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« Reply #70 on: September 16, 2015, 09:03:39 AM »
He's probably referring to Tulsa at Rush Hour, which isn't a cakewalk.

Likely true.  Dusty I apologize... I didn't mean to sound like such a dick

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« Reply #71 on: September 16, 2015, 09:09:24 AM »
I really think the answer is that having the ability to quickly accelerate out of a situation IS a safety concern because it can allow you to DECREASE the probability of a collision or other occurrence that could cause damage to yourself or machine.  This is kind of an anti-antidote statement, that the absence of seems to be proof that power is never needed to avoid disaster. "I've never needed it or seen it so it must not be!"  :huh:

Some of the discussion sounds like "She turned me into a NEWT!" .... people are claiming that they'll get run over or smashed if they haven't got X amount of horsepower - yet they're NOT run over or smashed, which means that they don't know that it WOULD have happened if they had less horsepower, and don't know that it HASN'T happened because they have MORE.

I know that, although I typically ride a Stelvio in those conditions today, I have spent many a necessary mile on a crowded Interstate on a BSA A65 or something similar .... and I really believe that if you just watch out, try to stay out of the way, and don't try to "duel" with people on an equal basis, you can get down the road just fine ....

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Re: V7 Touring
« Reply #72 on: September 16, 2015, 09:11:59 AM »
Some years ago, I traveled all over Southern California on a Vespa ET4, a 150 motor.  It cruised at 65 + all day on the freeway... In the right lane.  With enough planning, I could overtake trucks and slower vehicles.  On hills it slowed a lot and passing power was minimal... But manageable.  I remember having to 'budget' the Vespas power... And that was part of the fun.  I guess the point is, you don't have to have 1000+ cc bike to go somewhere.  All is planning and budgeting what you do have.  My wife loved the vespa... It was comfortable and classic, and limited you to a more relaxed pace.  My V7 stone is a behemoth next to the Vespa, a fire breathing monster by comparison.  I enjoy the visceral feel of the V7 and think it has the perfect amount of horsepower... for me and what I need.

I agree.  I remember when a 750 was a big bike, a powerhouse.

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« Reply #73 on: September 16, 2015, 09:18:02 AM »
I did mention that... I know my posts are tiringly long sometimes.  :embarrassed:

The tiring part must be running around holding a gun to everyone's head to make them read your long posts .... :wink:

Write all you like ... Sometimes, if it's an interesting subject, I'll read all of it and sometimes respond.   If it's not so interesting, or if I think you're off on some rabbit trail, I won't read it all .... but in that case, I won't respond either.

The tiresome people are the ones who DON'T read what one writes, and yet they respond to it anyway - in which case they're actually responding to some sort of voice in their head!

So compose away!

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Re: V7 Touring
« Reply #74 on: September 16, 2015, 09:19:30 AM »
I also know now not to question the power levels of the V7 any more. People feel very emotional anout their choice of bike. I guess one could tour on anything I guess. Once read an article anout a guy that toured on a Whizzer. Safety is related to one's perception of risk.

There are several guys who have successfully completed the Iron Butt Rallies on scooters and 250cc Kawas.  You don't need much.

Take the "safety" statements out of all this, then decide what you want to ride.  It is perfectly OK to want more power.  I'd like to have 20-30 more hp sometimes, but, I don't NEED it to keep from crashing or have someone crash into me.
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« Reply #75 on: September 16, 2015, 09:23:03 AM »
  Sometimes it seems like we are a major crossroads for interstate traffic!   :wink:

Yeah.  I think I-35 / I-40 qualifies as "major crossroads" !!!

Luckily, I've never experienced OKC rush hour.  I always time my passage to miss it !

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« Reply #76 on: September 16, 2015, 09:33:42 AM »
I also know now not to question the power levels of the V7 any more. People feel very emotional anout their choice of bike. I guess one could tour on anything I guess.

I was answering your question about 80mph on interstate!  I also have a 1100 Breva, a couple of Jackals and a Honda VTX1300 that I loved touring on too.  The Breva and Honda are much smoother and don't even feel like they're going fast at all.  I look down at the speedometer and oops, I'm going over 100.  If that's what you want, don't get the 750.  The 750 is lighter weight, very easy to handle and can easily keep up with the others at 85 - 95 mph, but doesn't have the power to pass quickly at those speeds.    When touring, I mostly try to stay off interstates and big highways; commuting to work I'm either on interstate or 2 lane highway with an occasional passing lane, depending on where I'm working that day.  When I'm riding in Dallas or Houston or Austin rush-hour traffic, I don't think it makes a difference which bike I'm on. 

I love all my bikes equally!  They're all fun.   I'm only 5' 2.5"  and I can barely touch the ground on tip toe and the 2013 750 Stone is my tallest bike.

I ride quite a few open range roads here in Texas, some paved and some not, so you've gotta be real careful of livestock.  Here's a new friend I met one time who had to come check out the Jackal.  He was telling me about his uncle who knew someone who had a Guzzi a long time ago.



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« Reply #77 on: September 16, 2015, 09:40:37 AM »
FWIW:

Having transited I-40 thru OKC numerous times (40 or so in the last few years) at rush hour in AM and PM I can say its a piece of cake. The OKC system is very good with interstate markings on the surface of the lane!!
I wish more states would do this.
If you have to run thru OKC at rush, fear not, unless an accident or lane closure its speed limit or more all the way.
Having said that it can get a bit tense thru the air force base area but still moves good most times.

ABQ is the same.

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« Reply #78 on: September 16, 2015, 09:49:27 AM »
It's probably why Dusty doesn't bother replying on the forum to me... he usually just calls me up and we BS for an hour.  :laugh: :azn: :grin:

   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Yeah , I get cramps trying to keep up with you Kev  :grin:


   
Likely true.  Dusty I apologize... I didn't mean to sound like such a dick

  No , we all know who the dick is here  :shocked:


 


I'll take two Tulsa rush hours to one OKC (honestly think Tulsa drivers may have a slight advantage in the mental
department).  Of course it may also be the huge amount of truck traffic OKC has on I40 and I35, along with the I44 traffic that
comes our way going to and from Tulsa.  Sometimes it seems like we are a major crossroads for interstate traffic!   :wink:



 Yeah , you folks out in OKC are crazy  :grin:


 VS , my part of Oklahoma is full of curvy roads , and yes , we do have women in minivans doing 90 MPH on them , some of you folks have a complete misconception of what the plains states are like . We actually have electricity , metro areas with crazy drivers , and they tell me we will be getting moving picture shows soon  :rolleyes:  Look , I've ridden lots of accident free miles, and acceleration has been a tool that has kept me safe more than once . No , you don't need 100 HP , and yes , the new V7 is more than adequate . Slowing down is sometimes an option , but often times there is simply no place to go in heavy traffic , but forward . Cranking up the brakes in a mess of cars can cause a chain reaction behind , and traveling 5 under also causes a snarl . The freeways are the freeways , go with the flow .



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« Reply #79 on: September 16, 2015, 09:55:06 AM »

I don't consider rush hours bad unless you are in places like DC, Dallas, LA, etc.  And then they are only slow at certain places or if there is an accident.
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Re: V7 Touring
« Reply #80 on: September 16, 2015, 10:02:50 AM »

The number of lane changes required to stay on US-412 across northern Tulsa makes it a pain.  Add in the constructions zones and a bunch of traffic, and I try to time my trips to miss rush hour.  Last week, It was 9:00-9:30 am when we went through, and it wasn't too bad.  Coming back through at 9 pm on a Saturday Night was kind of sucky.  There's about a 30 mph difference between slow and fast cars and they're all criss-crossing at the junctions:  51, 75, 11, 169, 44.  Plus the exits for the busier north/south avenues...
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« Reply #81 on: September 16, 2015, 10:27:58 AM »
I don't consider rush hours bad unless you are in places like DC, Dallas, LA, etc.  And then they are only slow at certain places or if there is an accident.

 OKC and Tulsa are just as bad . Hell , Rocker's natural habitat in Northwest AR has turned ugly over the last 20 years . Funny , I have heard how bad the traffic in San Francisco is , but having ridden MCs several times in that area , found the drivers to be courteous , and the traffic no heavier than Tulsa or OKC .

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« Reply #82 on: September 16, 2015, 11:05:39 AM »
Wow

Never guessed the question would turn into such a heated thread. :popcorn:
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« Reply #83 on: September 16, 2015, 11:08:48 AM »
  Rocker's natural habitat in Northwest AR has turned ugly over the last 20 years . 

Yeah.  I-49 between Fayetteville and Bella Vista are best avoided during rush hours.  Especially Friday afternoons !!!

6:30 to 9:00 am, and 4:00 to 7:00 pm.

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« Reply #84 on: September 16, 2015, 11:55:41 AM »
Yeah.  I-49 between Fayetteville and Bella Vista are best avoided during rush hours.  Especially Friday afternoons !!!

6:30 to 9:00 am, and 4:00 to 7:00 pm.

Now that's comedy !!!!!!!

At least to someone who drives in The Dallas/Ft. Worth Metromess  :grin:

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« Reply #85 on: September 16, 2015, 12:14:02 PM »
Now that's comedy !!!!!!!

At least to someone who drives in The Dallas/Ft. Worth Metromess  :grin:

Yep we have one interstate with 25-miles of congestion.  Small town stuff, for sure.  But, Put yourself on I-49 at 0730 on a weekday and tell me how long it takes you to make 10-miles.  It's just as bad as any big city.  You might be on there for an hour.

DFW's population is about what the population of the entire State of Arkansas is.  Metromess is right.  Last month, I was down there to pick up my V7 Special in Farmers Branch on a Saturday.  Holy Crap!  I-35E is a friggin mess!  Took me as long to make a couple miles on I-35 as it did to cross over from Fairview on Sam Rayburn Tollway.  BTW, Sam Rayburn Tollway is nice!  First time I'd ever taken it.

My corporate office is in Frisco Texas.  No way they'd ever get me to move down there to the DFW.  Visiting is fine, but way too many people, too close together.  I'm thankful that curvy two-lane goodness is 5-minutes out of my neighborhood.  My metro area has passed 500,000 this year.  Way too big for me.  My next move is going to be to some small town in the middle of nowhere.  I grow more anti-social as I grow older...
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« Reply #86 on: September 16, 2015, 12:23:00 PM »
Now that's comedy !!!!!!!

At least to someone who drives in The Dallas/Ft. Worth Metromess  :grin:

I've found DFW is congested but usually moves pretty fast and most know where they are going.  Arkansas seems to have a more laid back approach so it takes a while to clear out.  Tulsa is close to Arkansas and some must rub off.  Chicago and STL are about like Dallas with worse roads.  OKC just has questionably skilled drivers that don't know where they are going, but they are gettin' there fast (and they all have a Nascar sticker in their pickup window)!   :evil:

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« Reply #87 on: September 16, 2015, 12:31:02 PM »
  My metro area has passed 500,000 this year.  Way too big for me.  My next move is going to be to some small town in the middle of nowhere.  I grow more anti-social as I grow older...

Just Funnin' ya.

500,000 people... has it been that long ago?
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« Reply #88 on: September 16, 2015, 12:49:04 PM »
 No doubt DFW is a nightmare , as is Chicago , Los Angeles , Portland , etc etc . But once again , OKC and Tulsa ain't exactly a piece of cake either . Try riding from Owasso OK into Tulsa at 7AM on a weekday when 40,000 commuters seem to believe that they can leave 15 minutes late for work , but by driving 20 over the clock will stand still  :shocked: :rolleyes: To top that off , factor in chunks of concrete , bridges carrying 100,000 cars a day that have reinforcement rebar showing through , and a steady stream of interstate truck traffic due to the inland port in Catoosa . OKC , like Biking Sailor has mentioned , is probably worse . try bumper to bumper traffic moving at either 90 MPH , or 50 MPH , and drivers who think using turn signals is optional  :huh:

 
Did you forget where you were?  Some of these people live for this stuff.



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  This discussion isn't really heated , just a camp fire exchange among friends ... I think  :evil: :grin: Oh , and no one has yet mentioned Houston traffic , sheesh , don't ever go there , buncha crazies  :laugh:





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« Reply #89 on: September 16, 2015, 01:01:59 PM »
Well that makes perfect sense to me.

First the gearing on the Cali is taller, meaning its motor is spinning slower (further away from peak power) at the same highway speed as a V7. So the V7, already higher in the powerband SHOULD roll on better.

Yes, I think your weight is helping. At my weight it's almost like I'm carrying a passenger too compared to just you solo. Plus I have HB bags on mine (and sometimes a topcase) which add to wind drag.

And as mentioned there are the differences in bike weights too.

Let's look at some relative specs (I know they don't tell the whole story, but they paint at least part of the picture, most specs from Motorcycle Consumer News, but some filled in from other sources):

Jackal vs. Black Eagle vs. Cal-Vin vs. V7 Stone (2013-15)

Wet Weight: 572# / 589# / 616# / 443#

RWHP: 63 / 68 / 68 / 40

Torque: 60 / 58 / 58 / 41

Standing 1/4 mile: 13.74 / 13.35 / 13.2 (not MCN) / 14.29


The 1/4 mile figures show slight differences. The Cal-Vin number is a test variance from a different source, there's no reason it should be quicker than the same motor/ECU (but lighter) Black Eagle. The numbers show a slight advantage WOT from a dead stand still that goes to the Breva1100 engine internals in the Black Eagle/Cal-Vin, and that the Jackal (another lighter, stripped variant compared to an EV or many other Tonti Calis) which likely goes to the slight hp to weight ratio advantage of the Tonti Cali vs. the V7.

I should add the top speeds in the 1/4 mile for the Black Eagle (fastest) vs. the V7 (slowest) were 100 mph vs. 90 mph.

I don't have the figure for the Jackal noted, but looking at the times, let's split the difference and call it about 95 mph.

So in a standing 1/4 there might be a 5 mph difference between a stripped Cali and a V7, that's not much.

And any sudden "need" for acceleration on the highway it's going to come down to the particular rider/bike and conditions. I mean, how much weight are you carrying, windshield and bags for drag, do you try to roll on or drop it gear?

To me, that's basically an RCH.

Thanks for posting this info.  Just for giggles I wonder what the 0-60 times are for those same bikes?  If I recall correctly my former little Street Triple used to make it to 60 faster than its big brother Speed, but by the end of the quarter mile the Speed had plenty tagged it. 

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