Author Topic: VW, now THAT is a major problem. (Read 126787 times)

jas67 · « **Reply #510 on:** November 09, 2015, 09:17:13 PM »

Quote from: rss29 on November 09, 2015, 08:32:36 PM

This is the first have heard about compensation for current owners. I'm not looking to profit off this situation, but that's an insulting offer. It doesn't even come close to making up for the loss in market value directly attributable to VW's actions, let alone make any attempt at reparations. If that is the final offer, they have misjudged this consumer and will have lost me forever. I'm keeping my Ducati, though.

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canuguzzi · « **Reply #511 on:** November 12, 2015, 10:17:34 PM »

Ford and GM being accused of using software to defeat emissions tests ala VW. Hit the news today. Get out the checkbooks.

Kev m · « **Reply #512 on:** November 13, 2015, 02:41:13 AM »

Quote from: Norge Pilot on November 12, 2015, 10:17:34 PM

Ford and GM being accused of using software to defeat emissions tests ala VW. Hit the news today. Get out the checkbooks.

??? All I could find in a couple of searches was:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/nov/11/vw-emissions-investigation-widened-bmw-mercedes-ford

Which seems more of an industry wide witch hunt than just "GM and Ford"?

jas67 · « **Reply #513 on:** December 04, 2015, 02:14:55 PM »

It looks like Ducati might be up for sale again. Who's in?

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a27519/vw-sell-bentley-lamborghini-ducati-diesel-emissions/

atavar · « **Reply #514 on:** December 04, 2015, 05:20:15 PM »

How is any of this different than virtually every US Car having a smog pump that pumps fresh air in to the exhaust post combustion to dilute the exhaust gas and reduce PPM numbers at the testing meter? Don't even try to give me the company line that the smog pump promotes burning in the cat..

Kev m · « **Reply #515 on:** December 04, 2015, 05:56:04 PM »

Quote from: atavar on December 04, 2015, 05:20:15 PM

How is any of this different than virtually every US Car having a smog pump that pumps fresh air in to the exhaust post combustion to dilute the exhaust gas and reduce PPM numbers at the testing meter? Don't even try to give me the company line that the smog pump promotes burning in the cat..

Well, what vehicles have used secondary air injection in the last few decades??? Anything since OBDII?

But even when they were used they WEREN'T ONLY ACTIVE during emissions testing. They were used constantly, therefore constantly reducing emissions. It's not company line, it's simply science. Oxygen is necessary for combustion. The introduction of more O2 to hot exhaust gases that had unburnt hydrocarbons allowed for additional burning and reduction of HCs in the tailpipe.

This is unlike the VW systems that caused this scandal which were specifically designed to ONLY operate during tests. Therefore they were usually idle and allowing higher emissions at the tailpipe.

There's literally no comparing the two.

atavar · « **Reply #516 on:** December 04, 2015, 07:54:26 PM »

How is diluting the exhaust with fresh air reducing pollution? There are still the same net pollutants per mile driven. All it did was dilute the ppm.. still the same p sum.

Kev m · « **Reply #517 on:** December 04, 2015, 08:13:10 PM »

Quote from: atavar on December 04, 2015, 07:54:26 PM

How is diluting the exhaust with fresh air reducing pollution? There are still the same net pollutants per mile driven. All it did was dilute the ppm.. still the same p sum.

I thought I just explained it my friend.

I'll try again.

Unburnt HC's in extremely hot exhaust on carbureted engines were generally the result of overly rich fuel mixtures.

Oxygen is required for combustion and rich mixtures mean the HC to O2 ratios favor there being insufficient oxygen to burn all the HC's.

So when you introduce more oxygen to the super-hot exhaust gases you allow some of those HC's that didn't burn in the combustion chamber to burn off in the exhaust system.

The volume of air injected is not sufficient to really dilute the HC's as measured PPM. But the reduction in HC's due to the additional burning is.

jas67 · « **Reply #518 on:** December 17, 2015, 08:52:29 PM »

VW Hires Kenneth Feinberg to Handle Emission-Cheating Claims
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/vw-hires-kenneth-feinberg-handle-emission-cheating-claims-3582

oldbike54 · « **Reply #519 on:** December 17, 2015, 10:03:30 PM »

One wonders if there are any VW forums with 541 posts on this subject ???

Dusty

PJPR01 · « **Reply #520 on:** December 17, 2015, 10:09:37 PM »

One would hope! With all of the $ we'll get from VW, we can buy some more farkles for the Guzzis! :)

oldbike54 · « **Reply #521 on:** December 17, 2015, 10:13:46 PM »

Quote from: PJPR01 on December 17, 2015, 10:09:37 PM

One would hope! With all of the $ we'll get from VW, we can buy some more farkles for the Guzzis! :)

Checked a Case tractor forum , they were talking about Moto Guzzi . Hmm , that does kinda make sense

Dusty

PJPR01 · « **Reply #522 on:** December 17, 2015, 10:16:33 PM »

Were they debating whether a V7 or a V9 would work better in the tractor? :)

oldbike54 · « **Reply #523 on:** December 17, 2015, 10:19:08 PM »

Quote from: PJPR01 on December 17, 2015, 10:16:33 PM

Were they debating whether a V7 or a V9 would work better in the tractor? :)

Neither , the discussion was about suspension and oil

Dusty

PJPR01 · « **Reply #524 on:** December 17, 2015, 10:23:04 PM »

Would that be synthetic then vs. non synthetic? :)

oldbike54 · « **Reply #525 on:** December 17, 2015, 10:27:25 PM »

Quote from: PJPR01 on December 17, 2015, 10:23:04 PM

Would that be synthetic then vs. non synthetic? :)

Hard to tell , so much yelling . There seemed to be some consensus re what to run in their tires

Dusty

tris · « **Reply #526 on:** December 18, 2015, 01:12:48 AM »

WAHOO - got my letter to say that my 2 litre will get its re-map early in the new year and will take (wait for it.......) 30 minutes to do

rss29 · « **Reply #527 on:** December 18, 2015, 04:57:27 AM »

Quote from: tris on December 18, 2015, 01:12:48 AM

WAHOO - got my letter to say that my 2 litre will get its re-map early in the new year and will take (wait for it.......) 30 minutes to do

You must be in Europe. They still haven't figured out how to fix the US cars since emissions regs here are much tougher.

tris · « **Reply #528 on:** December 18, 2015, 05:10:25 AM »

Quote from: rss29 on December 18, 2015, 04:57:27 AM

You must be in Europe. They still haven't figured out how to fix the US cars since emissions regs here are much tougher.

I am and I suspect that my remap is to simply take the illegal US software out of the programme as its still UK compliant

1.2 is the same as mine - 30 minute job

The 1.6 version needs a "Flow Modifier" fitted in front of the Air Mass Flowmeter to "straighten the air flow" in addition to the remap

jas67 · « **Reply #529 on:** December 18, 2015, 05:33:01 AM »

Quote from: oldbike54 on December 17, 2015, 10:03:30 PM

One wonders if there are any VW forums with 541 posts on this subject ???

Dusty

Probably more like 541 different threads on the subject.

This subject is pretty much dominating the VW forums since the news broke.

jas67 · « **Reply #530 on:** December 18, 2015, 05:34:02 AM »

Quote from: tris on December 18, 2015, 05:10:25 AM

I am and I suspect that my remap is to simply take the illegal US software out of the programme as its still UK compliant

Hmmm, I'll bet your fuel economy and performance suffer.
Please report back after you've had a chance to assess both.

tris · « **Reply #531 on:** December 18, 2015, 06:23:21 AM »

10-4

I've just seen that I'd missed the second CO2 scandal that broke in November - so maybe my MPG/performance will drop on the back of that

Aaron D. · « **Reply #532 on:** December 18, 2015, 06:24:11 AM »

I had my A5 serviced Wednesday, they gave me a loaner.

As we walked toward two A3 sedans, I noticed that one was a TDI and asked if I was getting that one.

She looked mildly surprised and said I could have it for the day. Apparently the diesel fans don't give a hoot, the "mileage" and non-fan types are horrified and don't want their cars.

I loved riving it. It was a DSG-which with drive-by-wire I dislike due to odd hesitations but that's OK. Other than that it is a great car to drive. I thought the little "wee" filler next to the fuel filler was funny-I thought Audi/VW didn't do the DEF thing on the 2 liter cars. Maybe it's a '16 and can't be sold?

Case foum-yeah, I been there. Got a Vanguard in my tractor.

jas67 · « **Reply #533 on:** December 18, 2015, 06:45:42 AM »

Quote from: Aaron D. on December 18, 2015, 06:24:11 AM

I loved riving it. It was a DSG-which with drive-by-wire I dislike due to odd hesitations but that's OK. Other than that it is a great car to drive. I thought the little "wee" filler next to the fuel filler was funny-I thought Audi/VW didn't do the DEF thing on the 2 liter cars. Maybe it's a '16 and can't be sold?

The 2015 Golf (Mk7?) has DEF. Was the A3 you drove a hatchback or sedan (sadly, we don't get the new A3 hatchback in the US). If sedan, then, it is the new one, which, has DEF.

SmithSwede · « **Reply #534 on:** December 18, 2015, 05:53:31 PM »

>>Checked a Case tractor forum , they were talking about Moto Guzzi . Hmm , that does kinda make sense<<

Speaking of tractors, my neighbor has a little Case garden tractor, which I guess is ok. But what it really needs is about 15 more horsepower--then I might buy one too.

Are there any cheap modifications I can make to get this performance gain?

oldbike54 · « **Reply #535 on:** December 18, 2015, 05:58:37 PM »

Quote from: SmithSwede on December 18, 2015, 05:53:31 PM

>>Checked a Case tractor forum , they were talking about Moto Guzzi . Hmm , that does kinda make sense<<

Speaking of tractors, my neighbor has a little Case garden tractor, which I guess is ok. But what it really needs is about 15 more horsepower--then I might buy one too.

Are there any cheap modifications I can make to get this performance gain?

Drill it full of holes, nothing lighter than a hole . Better power to weight ratio .

Dusty

drlapo · « **Reply #536 on:** December 20, 2015, 12:17:20 PM »

I bought a 2016 VW Golf Sportwagon TSI
averaging 34 mpg so far and with 87 has cheaper than diesel its frugal and fun to drive

Semper-guzzi · « **Reply #537 on:** December 20, 2015, 02:38:04 PM »

I still love my TDI. I've gotten 69 mpg on the way to work one day. 45 miles one way. I average about 48 to 52.

rss29 · « **Reply #538 on:** December 20, 2015, 06:17:56 PM »

Quote from: drlapo on December 20, 2015, 12:17:20 PM

I bought a 2016 VW Golf Sportwagon TSI
averaging 34 mpg so far and with 87 has cheaper than diesel its frugal and fun to drive

Gas engines are definitely starting to look like the better choice. Factor in the higher cost of fuel, the price premium on the initial purchase, and the hassles of filling up with diesel and I'm no longer advising anyone to purchase diesel cars.

jas67 · « **Reply #539 on:** December 20, 2015, 07:30:56 PM »

Quote from: Semper-guzzi on December 20, 2015, 02:38:04 PM

I still love my TDI. I've gotten 69 mpg on the way to work one day. 45 miles one way. I average about 48 to 52.

I'm gonna guess that your TDI is 2006 or earlier.

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