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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2015, 02:04:48 PM »
Yep. The times keep a changing.
There are quite a few small to semi large manufacturing companies in the towns in my general area. For the most part they are all doing pretty well and employee a wide range of people and skill levels.
I did a lot of career and educational planning with high school kids over the years. For many of them it takes quite a bit of pushing to get them to develop and follow up on goals and necessary steps. Too many are poor about seeking out or even taking advantage of given opportunities.
An example was last spring. A significant manufacturer in the area contacted the school asking for the opportunity to meet with students that would want to consider a career opportunity with them. They wanted to employ a minimum of six right after high school graduation. They were offering $14 an hour to start, with good benefits and would then in house train the skills needed to move on up from there.
We found only eight kids that said they were interested. A couple of them I thought would make good employees in this kind of setting if they could just survive the interview process so I personally coached them. Come the day and time of the interviews only two showed and neither of the two I coached showed. Frustrating.
Kids need to think long and hard what they want and can do and get a clear plan together to get there. They need to research opportunities for career exploration and making connections. Another big thing is how to get the training and education without racking up huge student loan debt. Many employers in the machining and mechanical repair related occupations would just as soon train a kid from scratch in their own shop if the kid proves could work ethic and a willingness to learn.
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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2015, 02:47:46 PM »
Kind of makes me laugh. #15 'Semiconductor Processor ' jobs will be at risk. '21,000 people have that job in th US'.   I'm sure these dudes are not at the bottom of the food chain out of 300, 000, 000 residents!
Flight attendant jobs at risk. How so? Trolley dolly are a legal requirement!

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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2015, 03:38:37 PM »
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Flight attendant jobs at risk. How so? Trolley dolly are a legal requirement!

I reckon,for one reason or another, we all will be flying less in the future.

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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2015, 04:07:47 PM »
I reckon,for one reason or another, we all will be flying less in the future.

No need for a Tart with a Cart in a Webinar.


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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2015, 04:29:23 PM »
I reckon,for one reason or another, we all will be flying less in the future.

No need for a Tart with a Cart in a Webinar.

We keep on thinking that, but even with cameras and videoconferences and webinars, there are still people who don't believe that real business can be done that way.   Besides, they LIKE to fly .....

And they're generally the ones at the highest levels, so they authorize everyone else in the organization to fly too.

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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2015, 05:06:10 PM »
We keep on thinking that, but even with cameras and videoconferences and webinars, there are still people who don't believe that real business can be done that way.   Besides, they LIKE to fly .....

And they're generally the ones at the highest levels, so they authorize everyone else in the organization to fly too.

Lannis

Yes..... because the ones at the highest level have No idea how to get business done!

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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2015, 09:51:23 PM »
Yes..... because the ones at the highest level have No idea how to get business done!

Well, they know something, else they wouldn't be running the company and making millions a year.    It's not all just father-in-law, luck, and kneepads.    Generally, whatever they're doing is making some real money for the company.

But they often do have blind spots, and when they're blind, they can make it stick ....

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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2015, 10:22:17 PM »
watch 2 episodes of Mad Men and see why there are no jobs. Work that once required a team of people an entire week to accomplish can now be done by an individual in an afternoon.
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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2015, 01:40:48 PM »
watch 2 episodes of Mad Men and see why there are no jobs. Work that once required a team of people an entire week to accomplish can now be done by an individual in an afternoon.

No jobs?   Our small little metro area around a city of 70,000 has 1814 open jobs at last count.    Some high paying if skills are required, some not.   

Why keep on with the "No Jobs" rap?    I don't know anyone who wants to be working and isn't .....

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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2015, 01:47:08 PM »
Wait until Yamaha figures out that their motorcycle riding robot can push a drink and food cart down an airplane aisle.

So long as the cart is V engine powered.

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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2015, 02:26:16 PM »
We keep on thinking that, but even with cameras and videoconferences and webinars, there are still people who don't believe that real business can be done that way.   Besides, they LIKE to fly .....

And they're generally the ones at the highest levels, so they authorize everyone else in the organization to fly too.

Lannis


This could by why the company I work for have a fleet of private jets.........












...........and our own airport


http://www.edty.de/en/airport/adolf_wuerth_airport.htm
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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2015, 03:08:43 PM »

This could by why the company I work for have a fleet of private jets.........
...........and our own airport


http://www.edty.de/en/airport/adolf_wuerth_airport.htm

Well, sometimes you DO have to fly, especially to get to a customer site quick to help them get through a problem.

And when you have to fly, a private jet beats commercial flying 100 to 1.    Private (or charter) jet, you drive to the FBO office, park your car 10 feet from the door, walk 50 feet to the hanger, walk up the steps into the plane, sit down in swiveling leather seat after you grab a cup of coffee and a pastry, and a hour later they decant you at the customer airfield 500 miles away.    A trip that would take 6 hours door to door on a commercial flight takes 75 minutes on the charter ...

We got spoiled doing that sort of thing.   Flying commercial after that was like making the trip in a Bajaj 3-wheeler in Bombay ....

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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2015, 03:18:33 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2015, 04:40:15 PM »
There is an extreme labor and skilled labor shortage here in Clark County, Indiana.  The military Realignment Commission gave the county 6,000 plus acres used for black powder manufacturing.  This huge complex is being renovated with new infrastructure and new buildings.  It is at less than 10% capacity.  They are expecting 65,000 jobs when completed. 

The problem here is, there are not enough sober, skilled, educated and people that want to work.  I own a coin laundry.  The number of new people coming in from other States and Canada has gone up.  The local State park has leased spaces to Amazon to place travel trailers in for temporary housing for new hires from out of the area.  Good for me. 

Want to see a mess with traffic and new construction,
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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2015, 05:33:44 PM »
 Why is it when someone says "not to get" it means that is exactly what they are going to do ?

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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2015, 05:46:46 PM »
Not to get goes with "You know" and then someone tells you what you know. 

I think it is called a qualifier in speech.

  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: As long as we understand each other  :grin:

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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2015, 07:51:03 PM »
Huh???????    :grin:
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2015, 07:53:46 PM »
Huh???????    :grin:

 Now you're catching on Tom  :grin:

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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2015, 03:40:35 PM »
One thing that I've noticed in my current job is that the majority of people that are having problems with a career choice are the ones that can do only one thing.  Anecdotal on my part but a common observation.  Carpenters in their 50's.  Likewise servers in their 50's.  Can't find work turn to drugs to relieve the pressure.  Busted and going through the system.  Being educated and multi-skilled makes a big difference.  Having the willingness to adapt is also another trait that works too.
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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2015, 04:13:44 PM »
One thing that I've noticed in my current job is that the majority of people that are having problems with a career choice are the ones that can do only one thing.  Anecdotal on my part but a common observation.  Carpenters in their 50's.  Likewise servers in their 50's.  Can't find work turn to drugs to relieve the pressure.  Busted and going through the system.  Being educated and multi-skilled makes a big difference.  Having the willingness to adapt is also another trait that works too.

Some of the 'multi-skilled' part is generational or cultural related.   

I had a technician working for me that was brilliant.   He had a knack for being able to invent inspection equipment that would get the job done, and had a great work ethic.   I would have loved to promote him to a "working" manager, where he could continue to do hands on work at times, and also supervise younger people and pass on his skills and work ethic to them (to the degree you can do that).

Problem is, company policy said that for that level of management and (considerably more) pay, you had to have an appropriate degree.   I worked out a plan where he could take the courses he needed (some during the day, some evenings), and substitute work experience for some of the courses, and get the degree in a year or so.

He declined.   Not because he didn't want the job and the 30% pay increase, and not because he didn't want to take the trouble, but because he was afraid he would fail to "make the grade" in an academic environment.   In his own mind, even though I think he would have been at the top of any class he took, he wasn't one of those "smart college boys" and he was afraid of looking like a fool.   He eventually retired as a technician.   

I expect there's lots of other people like that.   Being "single skilled" can hurt you in a changing work environment .....

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Re: In case you have "young 'uns" and they need some guidance.
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2015, 04:26:20 PM »
  I never had trouble getting a job when I was young because I was willing to do anything.  I find this mentality totally absent in the current generation.

Same here.   My first 4 jobs had "cleaning up other people's sh!t" as a major part of the job description.

1) Janitor's assistant at age 15 at the high school, cleaning the toilets and locker rooms.
2) Maintenance at a Virginia state park, cleaning outhouses and toilet blocks.
3) Maintenance for the town of Appomattox, collecting garbage and cleaning the town's public toilets.   THAT was nasty.
4) Working at a sewage treatment plant, with one settling tank/trickle-filter system and one sewage lagoon.

Big advantages were that I've had a steady paycheck somewhere since 1970, I was making money to buy motorcycles when the rest of my classmates had to depend totally on Mom and Dad, and it's hard to give me a job that will gross me out any more .... !

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