New Victory Coming

[leafman60]

http://www.victorymotorcycles.com/en-us/ignition

Looks like Victory is catching some pollen from its Indian sibling.

Many wonder if Victory will continue beside the Indian.

[rboe]

Victory Dealers seem to think the brand is doing just fine thank you. But after Indian came out, I have a very hard time looking at a Victory in the same light. She has turned into the ugly stepsister of the two. A buddy has the big touring Victory model and he loves it on the open road so I must assume there is a niche market for it. It will be very interesting to see what Polaris does with the brands.

I'd be tempted to make it a custom low volume unit, come out with a small inline four for Indian and maybe bring back the Crocker. :D

[Kev m]

That's potentially exciting!

[Tobit]

Victory Scout!  There's a bit of miscegenation going on.

[rboe]

Makes you wonder what the Guzzi crowd would do if Guzzi brought out a radical redo for the Goose. :D

[Cool Runnings]

I'm wanting for a retro CBX. 

[leroysch]

Looks..diavel-ish. 
(Someone had to do it.)

[oldbike54]

 It is a copy of the Polaris Pike's Peak bike .

  Dusty

[Guzzistajohn]

Well it's about time Victory came up with a bike w/o that butt ugly Arlen Ness influence. Great bikes, great power plant, but gawd awful to look @.

But that's just me.................


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[Kev m]

Not bad...

[jas67]

I like it!   

It is a copy of the Polaris Pike's Peak bike .

  Dusty

Uh, yeah.... no, not so much.

[Aaron D.]

I knew the engine was going to be Scout based, but I'm surprised it has a Scout-or Scout type- frame.

Marzocchi forks?!

[Kev m]

I knew the engine was going to be Scout based, but I'm surprised it has a Scout-or Scout type- frame.

Well, I'm sure you already know, the Scout uses a type of modular frame with the motor as a stressed member. And when it was introduced it was speculated that part of the reason was for easy repurposing to other types of bikes.

Those could be the same front and rear members, or one/both could also be unique in some way.

At a glance I would guess similar, but unique.

Scout:

[jas67]

I knew the engine was going to be Scout based, but I'm surprised it has a Scout-or Scout type- frame.

 :1:

After the "Project 156" bike, I was expecting, and hoping for, something more in the XR1200X style.    But, I have to admin, I do like it.   The dark grey with the red wheels looks great.

[jas67]

Looking at pics of this and the Scout, I just noticed that the Victory has dual front discs vs. the Scout's single.   

[Aaron D.]

I have come to prefer a single disc brake on the Scout, it has plenty of power and makes tire pressure checks/adjustents much easier. Also like the mufflers on one side, I can see that a belt change or tire removal will be minutes to do.

Ye, I'm aware of the frame structure and the visible frame piece on the Victory looks to be identical to the Scout. This is a good thing.

Interesting times, these. I wonder whaat the price will be

[Aaron D.]

Looking further into it-it is being callled a concept. Rear suspension travel 76mm, so same as Scout, which makes me think it is still belt drive.

And foot controls are the same as the Scout. I like them where they are on my bike, but not where I'd want them on a sport bike.

[oldbike54]

I like it!   

Uh, yeah.... no, not so much.

 The same way that the "Camel" Hondas or the MHR Ducati was a copy , maybe Replica is a better word .

  Dusty

[Kev m]

Ye, I'm aware of the frame structure and the visible frame piece on the Victory looks to be identical to the Scout. This is a good thing.

No, if it was identical it would have that rounded-triangular indent in the steering neck molding (visible in the Scout frame diagrams I posted, as well as in most photos of a Scout, though partially obscured by the fuel tank).

The fact that it is absent means SOMETHING is different and it's probably not just that indent, wouldn't you agree?

I have come to prefer a single disc brake on the Scout, it has plenty of power and makes tire pressure checks/adjustents much easier. Also like the mufflers on one side, I can see that a belt change or tire removal will be minutes to do.

Not me, no thanks. A lack of dual discs is probably my biggest peeve with some bikes, the Scout included. A simple angled valve stem solves any problems with checking/adjusting tire pressure.

And foot controls are the same as the Scout. I like them where they are on my bike, but not where I'd want them on a sport bike.

I'm not sure I've ever seen your Scout with the foot controls relocated, so it moves them back under that air cleaner looking thing instead of under that front cylinder?

Interesting, but yeah, not an ideal placement for a "Sport Bike" I would think they could have done something better in that department but looks like that exhaust is in the way.

[boatdetective]

Cool- I like it. Now THIS is a smart way to split things up in a  company. Plenty of retro with the Indian line. The Victory line can introduce edgy, new designs to explore the market and move things forward. ...and all the while, no one can say that this is just copying Harley. They are blazing their own trail.  Excellent!

[rocker59]

It is a copy of the Polaris Pike's Peak bike .

  Dusty

Cosmetically.

The race bike had a single-sided swingarm and rearset pegs.

This thing has a twin shock swingarm, low seat, and forwards.

It's not the sporty standard the Project 156 race bike fans were hoping for.

It's just another FF pirate ship.

[oldbike54]

Cosmetically.

The race bike had a single-sided swingarm and rearset pegs.

This thing has a twin shock swingarm, low seat, and forwards.

It's not the sporty standard the Project 156 race bike fans were hoping for.

It's just another FF pirate ship.

 

 The same way that the "Camel" Hondas or the MHR Ducati was a copy , maybe Replica is a better word .

  Dusty

 True , never said it was anything more . Tried and true marketing ploy , but then the whole "Indian" thing is nothing but that .

  Dusty

[Kev m]

Cosmetically.

The race bike had a single-sided swingarm and rearset pegs.

This thing has a twin shock swingarm, low seat, and forwards.

It's not the sporty standard the Project 156 race bike fans were hoping for.

It's just another FF pirate ship.

Well, it IS a one-off CONCEPT bike.

BUT it suggests they are planning something with a new chassis on the Scout motor:

From the Press Kit:

http://polaris.hs.llnwd.net/o40/vic/2016/d...kit-nate-mr.pdf

“Our new engine along with Urs’ Victory® Ignition Concept and
future concepts to debut in New York City will plot the direction
not only of a fantastic new platform, but of this brand. We will
continue to design and build the best cruisers in the class.”

It's a concept, but sounds like they have plans for a production chassis.

[Poncho]

Indian is working the edges of the market and making holes for new riders 999cc, $8999 usd.
I don't see a paper clip for .jpg pic attachment? poncho

[rocker59]

http://polaris.hs.llnwd.net/o40/vic/2016/d...kit-nate-mr.pdf

“Our new engine along with Urs’ Victory® Ignition Concept and
future concepts to debut in New York City will plot the direction
not only of a fantastic new platform, but of this brand. We will
continue to design and build the best cruisers in the class.”


It's a concept, but sounds like they have plans for a production chassis.

Key word:  cruisers

I know that cruisers are the meat and potatoes of the USA market, but the Project 156 race bike got a lot of non-cruiser people fired up about Victory.  This FF restyled Scout they showed has turned all those fans off.

[Kev m]

I don't see a paper clip for .jpg pic attachment? poncho

You have to host it somewhere else:



Visually almost identical to the Scout, but cheaper price and a little less power (and available in Pearl White which is nice).

[Kev m]

Key word:  cruisers

I know that cruisers are the meat and potatoes of the USA market, but the Project 156 race bike got a lot of non-cruiser people fired up about Victory.  This FF restyled Scout they showed has turned all those fans off.

Why such a pessimist today?

They did say plot the direction of the brand... meaning they are looking to make some changes. That doesn't preclude something more, uhhh, standard.

Time will tell.

[MGPilot]

I like the looks of it, but would also like to see it out on the street rather than in a carefully controlled studio & image processing.  Might look quite different.

[Poncho]

Visually almost identical to the Scout, but cheaper price and a little less power (and available in Pearl White which is nice).

specs. it appears to be the same bike (why retool for different parts?) with a set of smaller pistons.. much like the hardley 883/1200. yes there are small differences. poncho

[Kev m]

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specs. it appears to be the same bike (why retool for different parts?) with a set of smaller pistons.. much like the HARLEY 883/1200. yes there are small differences. poncho

FIXored but otherwise Yup, that's exactly it.