tazer flashlight

[Offcamber1]

A couple of years back some of you might have recalled a thread I started about being attacked by a pit bull dog whilst walking my wife's 9 pound Shih tzu.  That evening I emptied a large can of red pepper spray and managed to dodge a bullet.  Since then I carry the spray and a very lethal double sided knife at all times when walking the mutt.  A month or so ago it happened again, different pit bull, and I only used half a can of spray this time and didn't have to unsheath the knife, but I have been looking for something a bit more fierce, but not enough so to kill an animal.

I was wandering around a gun show a few weeks back and got to talking to one of the vendors about a .22 six shot revolver.  My intent was to fill the first three chambers with .22lr bird shot rounds, and the last three with regular .22lr rounds.  (I have other weapons but they are larger and a dog is a small, fast moving target, so I do not consider them an option.)  The .22 solution would make lots of noise, without being terribly lethal; at least not until you got to the last three shots, but I still would prefer not to discharge a weapon within the limits of the small town in which I live.  Anyway the vendor talked himself out of a sale by showing me and selling me a $25.00 flashlight/tazer.  This would be much quieter, and hopefully more effective in deterring the neighbor's dogs from disrupting my otherwise peaceful walks.

Does anyone here have any experience with these devices?  Will it stop a large dog without killing it?

The device in question is marketed as "Kentucky Tactical 1101B"

And yes, we are looking into moving out of the neighborhood, either out further into the country where there are hopefully less irresponsible idiots and meth-heads with large attack dogs, or into a larger town with some level of animal control and perhaps even a wee bit of police support.  But in the meantime, I don't want to come home on the end of a bloody leash and have to explain to the missus that her dog was devoured by Kujo.  This really sucks, because the house we live in has been paid for for quite some time and anything else will require a damned mortgage.  House payments come right out of the damned racing budget!

Thanks in advance for advice and experience!

Kip

[canuguzzi]

Knowing what you know, continuing to frequent those areas to walk your dig doesn't sound ...sound.

Any gun, regardless of what it is loaded with is a lethal weapon. If you feel the need to carry a gun just to walk your dog, maybe the better choice is to find someplace else to walk your dog.

Dustshot in a 22 isn't going to stop anything but a Gartner snake and if some large dog decides to munch your pooch the dustshot is worthless. Now get to the matter and you find yourself, gun in hand counting how many times house fired before real lead comes out if the barrel? Its an accident waiting to happen.


Tasers can work but if you miss you are down to the brown streak in your shorts.

That knife is a close up and personal thing and though you might be trained to use it well, its the wrong tool for the job.

The best tool is the brain, in thinking about if it is absolutely necessary to put yourself in danger to walk the dog if other options are available. That doesn't mean being afraid, but rather prudent about your safety.

If you must, then carry a long walking stick, something substantial and learn how to use it effectively. Carrying any gun without considerable investment in training isn't a good thing so put a little into learning how to use that stick and most any dog that attacks your dog will decide otherwise in short order.

If you have no other choice or don't use them, use real bullets, not something that puts you at greater risk (dustshot) and get some good training cause just carrying a gun doesn't solve problems, without good training it adds to them.

[oldbike54]

 Kip , I had a very similar incident with a pit bull several years ago . The PB came out of nowhere and attacked a very gentle older female dog we had . Freaky how fast it can happen . Being much younger and more agile , I managed to get between the two dogs and deliver a well placed steel toe to the chest of the PB , sending it ass over tea kettle , and then went into , well , let's call it animal mode . After about two more kicks , and a leather gloved shot to an ear , the PB decided that this crazy human was meaner and more determined to inflict harm than it was .
 As for advice , a taser is pretty effective , and maybe a pepper loaded shotgun shell that will penetrate the eyes and skin might also be a good deterrent .
 AND , as silly as this sounds , the crazy PB that resides next door is deathly afraid of water , a super soaker might work 
  Dusty

[Vagrant]

I liked Norge Pilot's analysis.  A couple other thoughts:

Extendable batons are convenient to carry and seem to be effective. 

A stun gun might work; and I think the item you referenced is more like that than a taser.  (I thought tasers shoot the electrodes, where stun guns you have to touch the intended target.)

If looking at revolvers, you might consider "The Judge" by Taurus.  It lets you load 5 rounds of .410 shotshell ammunition or .45 long colt.  The .410 shot would be lethal at close range, less so  at distances, somewhat reducing risk of injury to bystanders.


do what needs to be done right the first time!
unfortunately if you have dogs like that you have people like that too.
first get training for you and your wife. you will be sick or gone so she needs to be ready too.
Judge with 410 000 buck will do the best job. it's better and has more range than the very expensive self defense loads. the light version of the Judge is a great traveling companion.

[Dean Rose]

I liked Norge Pilot's analysis.  A couple other thoughts:

Extendable batons are convenient to carry and seem to be effective. 

A stun gun might work; and I think the item you referenced is more like that than a taser.  (I thought tasers shoot the electrodes, where stun guns you have to touch the intended target.)

If looking at revolvers, you might consider "The Judge" by Taurus.  It lets you load 5 rounds of .410 shotshell ammunition or .45 long colt.  The .410 shot would be lethal at close range, less so  at distances, somewhat reducing risk of injury to bystanders.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-41-the-taurus-judge-vs-the-box-o-truth/


Dean

[slowmover]

Safety flare. Lights in a second.I believe most animals respond quickly to being torched.

[redrider]

I carry a Bersa BP9CC loaded with CorBon Powrball, Uncle Mike IWB fabric holster. Very concealable with shorts and Tshirt. A Bond Arms Snakeslayer with either PDX-1 defense load or .45 Colt Lead HP also feels adequate. Winter clothing has a .45 ACP in the outer pocket. I love good dogs and people. No remorse for the others.

[blackcat]

I have used a stick and whacked the dog on the head. Recently i just started yelling at a dog as it approached and that also worked.  And never assume non-pitbulls are OK as I was attacked twice by an out of control Lab. The second encounter ending up with the dog at the local animal pound because the owner liked to let his dog roam on Sunday mornings.

[Cam3512]

I've seen viscous dogs get Tased.  After the 5 second ride, some head for the hills and some get more pissed-off.  That flaslight is only pain compliance, and most likely won't work.  Gun is best, but I understand not wanting to kill the dog.  A small fire extinguisher or aerosol can of Static Guard tends to work well.  Blast them right in the face.

[jcctx]

Many years back I had a similar issue with a neighbor dog; a semi auto CO2 pellet pistol solved the problem. One dose and he never even approached me or the chi-man again.

[HDGoose]

During an attack is not the time to determine intent of the attacking dog. Me? Eliminate the threat. Then I would attampt find the owner and 'have an adamant conversation'.

[Offcamber1]

During an attack is not the time to determine intent of the attacking dog. Me? Eliminate the threat. Then I would attampt find the owner and 'have an adamant conversation'.

Gary, your advice in the first sentence is spot on.  I've given this much consideration.  The pepper spray was only nominally effective on a pit bull that the neighbor was probably testing a load of meth on.

The knife was plan B.

I do have firearms already, but feel they would be "excessive" despite the fact that I have training and CCW permit.  I'm genuinely concerned about discharging any firearm in town limits, particularly at a small, fast moving target.  I'd prefer to leave the collateral damage to the conflict in Syria.

Moving is difficult for family reasons.  My wife's older sister lives by herself 4 blocks away.  She's 66 and on a fixed income so moving out of the house she owns isn't practical.

Thanks everyone for the advice, suggestions, and comments. 

Cam, thanks for sharing your experience.

Kip

[ohiorider]

Wow!  Makes me like NE Ohio better and better! 

Now, we have had a few coyote attacks on small pets on leashes, but no roving pit bulls in the immediate vicinity.  Of course, we all live in a big country, and what is acceptable in one locale is totally verboten in another.

How the hell can a community permit dogs on the loose, anyway?  OK, I'm being naïve ....... when I was  kid, many moons ago, my little mutt and sweetheart of a dog, Mitzi, was let out in the morning.  From then on, she roamed the neighborhood, spending more time on neighbor's back porches than at home.  But at the end of the day, she straggled home.

So, I guess there are still parts of the country where dogs are allowed to roam, and depending on that part of the country, it's probably an ok thing.

Here, it would be totally disrespectful to the pet, because he or she would most likely end up crossing the road at the wrong time.

[Tom]

Hornet/Wasp spray.  Use it on the dog's face.

[Cam3512]

Hornet/Wasp spray.  Use it on the dog's face.

Only problem is if the attacking dog is wrapped up with YOUR dog, they'll BOTH get a face full of poisonous wasp spray.  Not a good idea.

[oldbike54]

Only problem is if the attacking dog is wrapped up with YOUR dog, they'll BOTH get a face full of poisonous wasp spray.  Not a good idea.

 That's kind of the problem with using any weapon isn't it ?

  Dusty

[Cam3512]

That's kind of the problem with using any weapon isn't it ?

  Dusty

Yea, but a pistol in a trained hand is more precise.  Things like fire extinguisher or OC Spray won't harm or poison the dogs.

[not-fishing]

You know there are a lot of homeless dogs in the shelter.

Adopt a "brace" and make them part of your "pack".

I did hound rescue and you'd be surprised how 3 good sized hounds cause other dogs to "stay away" my record was 6 hounds on a leash walk at one time for 400+ lbs of dog



Then you'd also be in the market for a sidecar.

Think of it as a win-win.

[bigbikerrick]

You know there are a lot of homeless dogs in the shelter.

Adopt a "brace" and make them part of your "pack".

I did hound rescue and you'd be surprised how 3 good sized hounds cause other dogs to "stay away" my record was 6 hounds on a leash walk at one time for 400+ lbs of dog



Then you'd also be in the market for a sidecar.

Think of it as a win-win.

Now there is some "out of the box" thinking!   Thats what I dig about this forum!  Hemay have to call in "Cesar Milan"The dog whisperer to sort out the new pack.... I mean 400 lbs is alot of dogs !
Rick.

[Tom]

Yea, but a pistol in a trained hand is more precise.  Things like fire extinguisher or OC Spray won't harm or poison the dogs.

Yes the pistol in a trained hand is more precise BUT you have to know your local gun laws..... It wouldn't fly over here.  No ccw permits.  No shooting varmints.  Discharge of a firearm can only used if you are in fear of losing your life.  Direct threat.  No deadly force to protect property.

[NCAmother]

Are you talking about the flash lights that emit bursts of light at its highest power?  That option works well on human beings (but not large groups of humans)

[Offcamber1]

Are you talking about the flash lights that emit bursts of light at its highest power?  That option works well on human beings (but not large groups of humans)

This is the one I bought:

http://policetorch.net/flashlight-stun-gun-police-type-1101.html

[NCAmother]

I carry a similar light when I bike ride.  It has the option of throwing out flashes within milliseconds, similar to european flash bangs, but directional.  While this disoreantates the perp, I have 1-2 seconds to make a move, fight or flight

[Offcamber1]

I carry a similar light when I bike ride.  It has the option of throwing out flashes within milliseconds, similar to european flash bangs, but directional.  While this disoreantates the perp, I have 1-2 seconds to make a move, fight or flight

Cool, thanks for the insight. I really don't want to have to test the spray, stun gun, or knife, but as Dusty mentioned, the dogs can come out of nowhere in a split second.

Many thanks, gentlemen!

kip

[Penderic]

You could also see if opening and closing an umbrella quickly will scare off the approaching mutt.
Trouble is, it will probably scare your own dog too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_wBOGRTlsU

West coast dogs are more mellow.

 

[redrider]

I did a variation on that. Parents place at the lake had a roaming neighbor dog who was a bit obnoxious. After a day of helping Dad do some brush work, I took a dip and the dog was not happy. So I came out of the water slow and menacing like the Predator or Alien. Dog gone.

[Cam3512]

Yes the pistol in a trained hand is more precise BUT you have to know your local gun laws..... It wouldn't fly over here.  No ccw permits.  No shooting varmints.  Discharge of a firearm can only used if you are in fear of losing your life.  Direct threat.  No deadly force to protect property.

I get that.  But self defense is present when a pit bull attacks.  You don't fear for your life iif a savage dog is on a rampage?  You're not immune to them ripping out your throat. Hardly a varmint.   And I'm a dog lover.  Not protecting property, might be protecting YOUR ass.

[Tom]

I get that.  But self defense is present when a pit bull attacks.  You don't fear for your life iif a savage dog is on a rampage?  You're not immune to them ripping out your throat. Hardly a varmint.   And I'm a dog lover.  Not protecting property, might be protecting YOUR ass.

Yeah....but the dog in this scenario is attacking another dog.  Discharging a firearm to kill the dog that is attacking your dog is not defending YOUR life.  IF the dog kills your dog then attacks you then you could get away with that defense MAYBE.  Depends on the gun laws in your state, county and municipality.  Want to bet that the local prosecutor is going to run you through the wringer, just because?

[George_S]

Yeah....but the dog in this scenario is attacking another dog.  Discharging a firearm to kill the dog that is attacking your dog is not defending YOUR life.  IF the dog kills your dog then attacks you then you could get away with that defense MAYBE.  Depends on the gun laws in your state, county and municipality.  Want to bet that the local prosecutor is going to run you through the wringer, just because?

Use of deadly force laws only apply to such force used against a PERSON. Doubtful that any prosecutor would "run you through the wringer" for killing an aggressive dog. Little to be gained by him to do that.

[blackcat]

Use of deadly force laws only apply to such force used against a PERSON. Doubtful that any prosecutor would "run you through the wringer" for killing an aggressive dog. Little to be gained by him to do that.

Yeah, an acquaintance (ducking idiot) of ours couldn't keep her dogs from getting out of her yard and one of them (not a pit bull) who was not aggressive caused panic in some guy and he shot and killed the dog. No charges were filed.

She no longer owns dogs.