are we losing the Griso

[drlapo]

I heard a rumor that the Griso will be discontinued soon.
Maybe it will be replaced with a "sport" bike??

[kirb]

The Griso will need to have ABS to survive. Let's hope Piaggio doesn't tack one on like they do carbon cans.

There isn't a whole lot of wasted space on a Griso. Not sure where the ABS pump will go.

[Rox]

I would doubt they will discontinue the Griso but after seeing the latest creations it seems Piaggio is turning Guzzi into their " Retro and Cruiser" Department.. But even if there is truth to that many look at the Griso as more retro than sport.

[jas67]

The R NineT has been a bigger success than even BMW had anticipated.   While I'm not big on scrambler styling, I think that the new R NineT Scrambler will do well, esp. since it is priced lower.

 I think that Guzzi would be wise to go after the R Nine T market.   They could make the Griso a platform as they have with the V7, offering various "looks", including one to go after the core of the R Nine T market.

Hopefully, if they don't continue it, Guzzi has a replacement that evolves from it, providing room to nicely package ABS, and also to assure it can comply with future emissions regs.

[Adan]

I almost bought back my Tenni Griso, but got a 9T instead.  After giving both a thorough test ride, I decided the Griso, other than having better suspension, just didn't stand up to the 9T in performance.  The 9T, though worlds more charismatic than anything else from BMW, still doesn't have half the charisma of the Griso.  So it was kind of a toss up in my mind, but the ABS issue tipped the scales in favor of the 9T.

My point is that I think the Griso, or its replacement, has to stack up better against the 9T and the new Thruxton (which wasn't available when I made my choice).  To me, this would include losing some weight, though I'm not sure how that gets accomplished with either the 1200 or 1400 engine.

[arveno]

I don't get why ppl get so anal about ABS ..... anyway

on the moto guzzi website the griso is still there .

http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/griso-8v-se.html

and forget a new guzzi sport, it will not happen.

Piaggio said it crystal clear : moto guzzi is the cruising brand , for those one that want to go fast , there is Aprilia.

 

[smdl]

If I'm not incorrect, I believe the decision has already been made, and the Griso is gone after 2015.

Shaun

[rocker59]

I don't get why ppl get so anal about ABS ..... anyway

on the moto guzzi website the griso is still there .

http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcycles/griso-8v-se.html
 

Yeah.  Especially the Euro Zone, who have made ABS mandatory for model year 2016.

The Griso remains on the website, because unsold 2015s remain in inventory.

It has been said several times on several threads that EICMA November 2016 will have replacements for the CARC bikes on display as 2017 models.

2017 means Euro 4 emissions for motorcycles, so the current V7 and CARC bikes will not live to be 2017 models.

I've lost count of how many threads we've had, asking about the demise of the Griso.  Yes, (in its current form) it's gone.

[bad Chad]

Blasphemy!  Long shall the CARC rule the road!

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

I don't get why ppl get so anal about ABS ..... anyway


 

I guess it's only important to any company that wants to sell bikes in Europe?? ITS REQUIRED starting in roughly a year... 
so no ABS = no sales


Edit: damn Rocker is quick

[jas67]

My point is that I think the Griso, or its replacement, has to stack up better against the 9T and the new Thruxton (which wasn't available when I made my choice). To me, this would include losing some weight, though I'm not sure how that gets accomplished with either the 1200 or 1400 engine.

Maybe a 1000cc version of the new V7 small block with four valves per cylinder?
Or, maybe a new 1200cc motor that is lighter weight than the current one.

I don't get why ppl get so anal about ABS ..... anyway
et a new guzzi sport, it will not happen.

It isn't about people being anal about ABS.  It is about the EU requiring it for all new motorcycles starting in 2016.   Heck, even the lowliest 150cc scooters have ABS now.

Piaggio said it crystal clear : moto guzzi is the cruising brand , for those one that want to go fast , there is Aprilia.

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^

[Adan]

I don't get why ppl get so anal about ABS ..... anyway

"Anal" is a strong word for describing just one amongst many factors I considered in making my choice.  If the Griso weighed less, was more functional as a city bike, or had more range (pick 2 of those 3), I might well have gone the other way, lack of ABS notwithstanding.

[opc]

So, what are the risks for those in the market for a GRiSO regarding parts and service in 3years (after the warranties run out)?

[kingoffleece]

I'd love a Tenni Griso-and would never sell it.  Absolutely a stunner of a bike.

[Vasco DG]

So, what are the risks for those in the market for a GRiSO regarding parts and service in 3years (after the warranties run out)?

Parts are required to be available for ten years. Any of the CARC bikes are about the easiest vehicles in the world to service which is why I find it so astonishing that it is screwed up so often by supposed mechanics!?!?

Pete

[rocker59]

So, what are the risks for those in the market for a GRiSO regarding parts and service in 3years (after the warranties run out)?

Considering the numbers of parts that interchange with other CARC bikes, and other Guzzis, I don't see the problem.

I own a 1996 Sport 1100 carb.  Last year of that model.  Despite its rarity, even the hard-to-find parts can be found.

[opc]

Parts are required to be available for ten years. Any of the CARC bikes are about the easiest vehicles in the world to service which is why I find it so astonishing that it is screwed up so often by supposed mechanics!?!?

Pete

Considering the numbers of parts that interchange with other CARC bikes, and other Guzzis, I don't see the problem.

I own a 1996 Sport 1100 carb.  Last year of that model.  Despite its rarity, even the hard-to-find parts can be found.

So, I will be able to find parts, but I better learn to work on it myself.  Got it.

[bad Chad]

Depends on where you are and or how willing you to travel for service.  There are many good Guzzi techs around, but they are certainly not a dime a dozen.  If your lucky enough to have one within a 150 miles, that should be good for most.   Once set up right, they don't need a lot of attention aside from typical 6250 mile oil and valve check, and other fluids every other year.  Some things you may well want a qualified tech to do for sure, but that comes up about every 20K or so.

[canuguzzi]

The market demands ABS, for the 6 people that think it is a waste, there are plenty of used bikes to buy.

Guzzi can either compete or remain a sub-niche. MG isn't going to go after anyone else's market either, they tag along on the fringe of established markets selling to the .05% that are different.

Piaggio is doing what Fiat did and will consolidate existing brands into more narrowly defined segments. That other comment was spot on, MG will become the cruiser and minor retro brand.

Bet that the Norge goes away along with the Griso. Even the Stelvio will probably disappear soon.

Moto Guzzi isn't in control of what it makes anyway.

[rocker59]

The market demands ABS, 

No.  The Eurozone government demands it.

Guzzi is just so small that it will make all bikes ABS because EU is such a big part of its business.

Just like since 1998, all Guzzis imported to The USA have been 50-State (California) compliant, because it's cheaper to make a few hundred bikes all the same.

[pauldaytona]

There is nothing "lost", get  a new griso while you can, but as most times, when it gone, all say what a pity I just want to buy one.

[Lcarlson]

I'm also sorry to see Guzzi abandon a diverse lineup, but it probably makes financial sense. Haven't almost all of Guzzi's most successful models in the last few decades been cruisers?

[rocker59]

I'm also sorry to see Guzzi abandon a diverse lineup, but it probably makes financial sense. Haven't almost all of Guzzi's most successful models in the last few decades been cruisers?

Only if you consider the California III, California 1100, California EV, and California Vintage to be "cruisers".

They're standards in my book, but I know there are other books out there...

[jlburgess]

There is nothing "lost", get  a new griso while you can, but as most times, when it gone, all say what a pity I just want to buy one.

It's about time to see some fire sale prices on the leftovers!  Hopefully they have a replacement planned?  I like the cast wheels on the older bikes but I'll probably have to spring for the roller kit.

[Bob Wegman]

Parts are required to be available for ten years.

Pete

I have heard this forever it seems, but I've never seen an actual law concerning parts available guarantee.  Can someone tell me where I can find such a law, and in what country?

[Vasco DG]

EU regulation.

[BRIO]

As a result of Guzzis new direction, the Italian oil company Agip
has decided to change their marketing strategy to suit the image of their business partners.

[canuguzzi]

No.  The Eurozone government demands it.

Guzzi is just so small that it will make all bikes ABS because EU is such a big part of its business.

Just like since 1998, all Guzzis imported to The USA have been 50-State (California) compliant, because it's cheaper to make a few hundred bikes all the same.

ABS sells. The Eurozone isn't the whole world. ABS makes sense, if you don't like it, turn it off. The manufacturers are making US market bikes, always have and ABS isn't a requirement here.

If we think the Guzzi market is small, the one for the pure basic bike is even smaller. While riders might like the retro look they do not want retro reliability and bare bones features. They do want things like ABS, fuel injection, updated instrumentation, adjustable ergos and hassle free maintenance.  For the rest and the few, there is the older used bike market. Don't provide current features and meet market demands and you get stuck with drop in the bucket market share.

[bad Chad]

Norge Pilot, your posts seem to be mostly negative concerning Guzzi.   Are you happy with yours, or do you feel its time to move on for you?

[boatdetective]

So, I will be able to find parts, but I better learn to work on it myself.  Got it.

If you own a Guzzi, this goes without saying...