65 HP V7

[professor]

File this under I will believe it when I see it.

November 2015 Classic Bike Guide Magazine from Britain has a decent multi-page road test of the 2015 (2016 in the US) six speed V7 Racer. On page 66 the author is discussing V7 HP and the power band. Quote;" After the test we were gossiping with Guzzi staff, and one mentioned that the factory does have a rather special V7 currently wandering around northern Italy. This engine knocks out 65hp, with even more torque and would really tick all boxes." He goes on to say Piaggio is spending a lot of money to refurbish the Guzzi factory and sees a future in retro bikes. Noting Aprilia fills the other market space. Overall he rates the V7 at the top of this particular market niche. Ironically, being British he does not feel the same way about Triumph Bonneville's calling them fat, dull and slow things in need of a diet. This is the second reference in European press to an "enhanced" V7. So, maybe a enhanced V7 and new V9??  I've no way of really knowing.

[Rox]

A 65hp V7? I believe it. Most likely has a 821 bore kit and cams from Guzzitech. His Racer I believe is putting 75 at the wheel with his kit and ECU flash.. Interesting machine..

[Dogwalker]

Is the second time I (independently) hear this story of a 65hp SB.

The first time, the engine was the same V9 of the Bobber / Roamer, a little more powerful to make it more adapt it to the future V7 "bigger brother" (it could be the "V8").

Moreover, 58hp at the rear wheel (so very close to 65 at the crank), was my guess for what's possible for a street legal 2V hemi 850 SB.

[Cam3512]

A 65hp V7? I believe it. Most likely has a 821 bore kit and cams from Guzzitech. His Racer I believe is putting 75 at the wheel with his kit and ECU flash.. Interesting machine..

You think the Guzzi factory is riding around Italy on a Racer with GuzziTech's big bore and heads?

That makes zero sense.

[Kev m]

Hmmmmm interesting.

[twhitaker]

Maybe they found a pair of Aero heads and put them on. 

[rocker59]

Maybe they found a pair of Aero heads and put them on. 

That's what I'm thinking...

[twhitaker]

And they called the prototype the V7 Stottlemeyer.   

[pyoungbl]

The 65 hp rumor makes sense to me.  Over a year ago Leafman60 was at the factory and his guide hinted at development work being done on the small block.  They were well aware of the need for more horsepower.  IMHO the V9 does not satisfy that need, producing only 5 extra hp.  It makes perfect sense to slap 4V heads on the V7 II lump or do the same on the V9.  It does not make nearly as much sense to have both a 750 and an 850 engine in the lineup so I'd expect the 750 to disappear except for markets where tiered licenses make it necessary to offer a bike with less than 50 hp.  BMW meets this need through ECU tweaks on the 650.

Peter Y.

[Kev m]

The 65 hp rumor makes sense to me.  Over a year ago Leafman60 was at the factory and his guide hinted at development work being done on the small block.  They were well aware of the need for more horsepower.  IMHO the V9 does not satisfy that need, producing only 5 extra hp.  It makes perfect sense to slap 4V heads on the V7 II lump or do the same on the V9.  It does not make nearly as much sense to have both a 750 and an 850 engine in the lineup so I'd expect the 750 to disappear except for markets where tiered licenses make it necessary to offer a bike with less than 50 hp.  BMW meets this need through ECU tweaks on the 650.

Peter Y.

I could be remembering the wrong bike, but I THOUGHT one of the early reports claimed the V9 would meet tiered licensing requirements through electronic limiting. But again, I could be remembering wrong.

But didn't Dogwalker already basically suggest the 750 will go away by the next EU standards (2017 I believe).

At this point I have to believe the next Stone/Special/Racer will be with the 850 lump.

If they have a 4V version (say for the Racer) that would make a lot of sense (and help justify the premium over the other models).

[Chuck in Indiana]

And they called the prototype the V7 Stottlemeyer.   

Has a nice ring to it..

[canuguzzi]

You think the Guzzi factory is riding around Italy on a Racer with GuzziTech's big bore and heads?

That makes zero sense.

[Arizona Wayne]

You think the Guzzi factory is riding around Italy on a Racer with GuzziTech's big bore and heads?

That makes zero sense.

I don't now.  Dr. John Wittner went over to the MG factory for a few years and that's where the DOHC Centauro, Daytona motors came from, his expertise from racing successfully Guzzis in the USA endurance series for years.  Dr. Wittner is actually a dentist by formal training.

[Kev m]

Dr. Wittner is actually a dentist by formal training.

From Chester County PA, where we lived until last year.

I think I've posted before that some good friends of ours (both doctors) go to a dentist that Dr. Wittner trained and used to work with. Our friends ride and that's how the conversation got started.

[Mark West]

If it was a larger bored motor would they still call it a V7?

I'm thinking 4 valve heads and/or water cooled. I know people wouldn't like that, but there is a sense that it's inevitable for all manufacturers at some point down the road.

[Kev m]

If it was a larger bored motor would they still call it a V7?

I'm thinking 4 valve heads and/or water cooled. I know people wouldn't like that, but there is a sense that it's inevitable for all manufacturers at some point down the road.

If it's based on the V9, they may just be saying V7 to refer to it as the aesthetic equivalent to the current V7.

Quicker to say in conversation than V9 Stone/Special/Racer or the like.

[Dogwalker]

I don't now.  Dr. John Wittner went over to the MG factory for a few years and that's where the DOHC Centauro, Daytona motors came from,

Not really. The SOHC Daytona heads came directly from the SB Falco prototype of 1987.

Wittner wanted to place those heads on the BB Daytona engine, instead the already prepared DOHC ones (that are currently in the museum, you can see the DOHC engine behind the Aero one, next to the 3 cylinders) to mantain a lower centre of gravity.



DogW

[Arizona Wayne]

Not really. The SOHC Daytona heads came directly from the SB Falco prototype of 1987.

Wittner wanted to place those heads on the BB Daytona engine, instead the already prepared DOHC ones (that are currently in the museum, you can see the DOHC engine behind the Aero one, next to the 3 cylinders) to mantain a lower centre of gravity.




OK,  from Moto Guzzi Big Twins book, "Umberto Todero developed the SOHC motor and Dr. Wittner developed the Daytona chassis".  All these years I thought Wittner developed that motor.     Wittner developed his endurance racing OHV Guzzi motor but not this Daytona SOHC motor. DOH

[pauldaytona]

And Wittner didn'r think the frame himself, that is of Tony Foale, who made a guzzi based bike earlier. And Wittner visited him.   

[jas67]

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If they have a 4V version (say for the Racer) that would make a lot of sense (and help justify the premium over the other models).

With dual discs, and maybe an upside down fork!   

And please, PLEASE better rear shocks.

Maybe an V9 Racer R with model with Ohlins suspension on both ends (or at least WP, Showa, or something better than they've got now).

[lucydad]

Time will tell, I hope.  Patience might be rewarded with the "perfect" bike.  65 HP, no more than 450 pounds, ABS brakes and great shocks would make me an instant buyer.  Hopefully in Houston. 

[pauldaytona]

yes and then complain that a 65hp bike costs 14000 dollar

[Cam3512]

No need to wait. Put your money where your mouth (keyboard fingers) is!  Just call Todd.

http://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/gt-modded-new-turn-key-v9-ii.15501/

[rboe]

yes and then complain that a 65hp bike costs 14000 dollar

Folks will say it would perfect; if only it had 20 more horsepower. 

[Kev m]

No need to wait. Put your money where your mouth (keyboard fingers) is!  Just call Todd.

http://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/gt-modded-new-turn-key-v9-ii.15501/

Hmmmnnnn

[lucydad]

Sounds like a dice roll...but love the concept

[bad Chad]

Funny thing is, when guzzi finally brings this elusive beast to the market, it will struggle to sell in numbers that make any kind  of financial sense!   The 60 guys who have been longing for this bike, & have the money and will by spend it will pop, and then, ...crickets.    I hope I'm wrong.

[jas67]

No need to wait. Put your money where your mouth (keyboard fingers) is!  Just call Todd.

http://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/gt-modded-new-turn-key-v9-ii.15501/

LIKE!!!!   

[Cal3Me]

Making 55hp since 1921 ..........

[rboe]

Funny thing is, when guzzi finally brings this elusive beast to the market, it will struggle to sell in numbers that make any kind  of financial sense!   The 60 guys who have been longing for this bike, & have the money and will by spend it will pop, and then, ...crickets.    I hope I'm wrong.

Just like the W650, the CB1100, GB500 etc.