Author Topic: Dodge Cummins water pump...they don't make 'em like they used to (Read 10403 times)

old head · « **on:** January 10, 2016, 04:33:57 PM »

Wife called and said she had no heat but the truck wasn't running hot. She was only a mile or so from the house, so I told her to come on in.

Popped the hood and had water pouring out the water pump, rats.. its raining, and it was nasty.

Took her to and picked her up from work for two days, while waiting on the weather to get better. Cummins wanted 150 for a pump, Dodge was well in excess of 200. Closest Cummins dealer was about 70 miles away.

got one from the local Federated parts house, 59, with lifetime warranty.

took me like 30 minutes to change it out, never had one this easy, two bolts, nothing to move out of the way, easy to get to, easy peasy. No gasket to scrape off, just a rubber gasket to insert in the pump housing, grease it up and slid right in.

the kicker, the truck has 298,700 miles and is 22 years old on the original water pump. Wow, I guess I got my moneys worth out of that pump.

the shaft bearing failed. was like a weeble woobly once I got it out.

Old head

StuCorpe · « **Reply #1 on:** January 10, 2016, 04:37:07 PM »

Yup, quality control has really gone to heck!

fotoguzzi · « **Reply #2 on:** January 10, 2016, 04:40:32 PM »

Quote from: old head on January 10, 2016, 04:33:57 PM

took me like 30 minutes to change it out, never had one this easy, two bolts, nothing to move out of the way, easy to get to, easy peasy. No gasket to scrape off, just a rubber gasket to insert in the pump housing, grease it up and slid right in.

the kicker, the truck has 298,700 miles and is 22 years old on the original water pump. Wow, I guess I got my moneys worth out of that pump.

sounds like a keeper

Scud · « **Reply #3 on:** January 10, 2016, 04:43:27 PM »

That thing should have gone 300,000 miles. You should demand that the dealer replace it under warranty.

In seriousness - I'm still shopping around for a diesel truck and have been looking at some older models that are smog-exempt in California. Always nice to hear about strong-runners with heaps of miles on them.

Triple Jim · « **Reply #4 on:** January 10, 2016, 04:51:50 PM »

Quote from: old head on January 10, 2016, 04:33:57 PM

the shaft bearing failed. was like a weeble woobly once I got it out.

That's normally what happens after the seal starts letting coolant into that bearing. Small Leak > Bearing Fails > Wobbling Shaft > Huge Leak

Vagrant · « **Reply #5 on:** January 10, 2016, 05:06:21 PM »

a friend has a German built luxury car that was 1000 miles from going out of warranty when it's water pump failed so they ate it. I forget the pumps price but the labor was $4,000. because the engine has to be pulled just to replace it. have to love the "better ideas" coming from the car companies today.
he no longer owns it.

charlie b · « **Reply #6 on:** January 10, 2016, 05:09:19 PM »

Glad to hear since mine is just about to hit 90k miles.

Tobit · « **Reply #7 on:** January 10, 2016, 05:23:55 PM »

200,000 miles on our '95 Volvo 850 turbo's water pump. Not hard to replace. Did it when I last changed the timing belt.

old head · « **Reply #8 on:** January 10, 2016, 05:31:20 PM »

If only the Dodge trucks were the same quality as the Cummins, but alas it isn't.

Oh well, such is life.

the boss just put me in a new Toyota Tacoma, my old Tacoma had 273k on the odometer. Other than tires, and brakes, I think I had to fix a catalytic converter (Toyota did step up and warranty it, well past its mileage warranty), and rear wheel bearing went out, that's it.

ChuckH · « **Reply #9 on:** January 10, 2016, 05:49:10 PM »

I retired from Cummins a few decades ago, so it's always good to hear their products continue to meet the customers' needs. One of my local riding friends was responsible for the initial installation of the 6B Engine in the Dodge pickup. Through the years they've produced a lot of engines for that application -- probably approaching 2 Million by now.

Keep driving it. My bet is the truck gives up before the engine does.

old head · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2016, 05:56:32 PM »

Quote from: ChuckH on January 10, 2016, 05:49:10 PM

I retired from Cummins a few decades ago, so it's always good to hear their products continue to meet the customers' needs. One of my local riding friends was responsible for the initial installation of the 6B Engine in the Dodge pickup. Through the years they've produced a lot of engines for that application -- probably approaching 2 Million by now.

Keep driving it. My bet is the truck gives up before the engine does.

That's an easy bet to make. I have had spent a ton on ball joints, and AC repairs, and replacing various dash plastic bits. the dash cracks and breaks just looking at it. Cheap, cheap, and very cheap.

John Ulrich · « **Reply #11 on:** January 10, 2016, 07:13:59 PM »

FYI, Last time I let a shop put on a "inexpensive" water pump the bearings went out just after the 1 year warranty. I always request OEM. They charge you the OEM list price and put on a $9.95 import. (yes, I saw his cost around his computer screen)

jbell · « **Reply #12 on:** January 10, 2016, 07:25:56 PM »

I sold Dodges for awhile and a frequent comment on trade ins was, I wish the rest of the truck would last as long as the engine.

old head · « **Reply #13 on:** January 10, 2016, 07:31:03 PM »

Quote from: John Ulrich on January 10, 2016, 07:13:59 PM

FYI, Last time I let a shop put on a "inexpensive" water pump the bearings went out just after the 1 year warranty. I always request OEM. They charge you the OEM list price and put on a $9.95 import. (yes, I saw his cost around his computer screen)

I would have put on a Cummins part if there was a dealer close by, didn't want to drive 76 miles or have one shipped, the truck is driven everyday. Had Dodge not marked the part up so much I would have gotten from them, but geez, they are proud of their handling.

So, as easy as it was to change it out, won't mind going back in there. I do prefer OEM on sensors and such as that. But have had pretty good luck with this brand's quality. Only time will tell.

krglorioso · « **Reply #14 on:** January 10, 2016, 07:39:37 PM »

Quote from: Vagrant on January 10, 2016, 05:06:21 PM

a friend has a German built luxury car that was 1000 miles from going out of warranty when it's water pump failed so they ate it. I forget the pumps price but the labor was $4,000. because the engine has to be pulled just to replace it. have to love the "better ideas" coming from the car companies today.
he no longer owns it.

Sounds like a Porsche 928 that lost its water pump. I understand they are monsters to replace.

Ralph

charlie b · « **Reply #15 on:** January 10, 2016, 10:02:08 PM »

Mine's had nothing go wrong, no plastic bits breaking, nothing. There was a recall on the ball joints. FWIW, the Tundra I had also had a recall on ball joints and it had a transmission problem at 80k miles.

ChuckH · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2016, 05:48:45 AM »

Every December I shake the bell for Salvation Army at our local Rural King store. RK is a farm type store with a very wide inventory and, of course, a wide variety of customers. Shaking the bell is a fun gig and I meet a lot of interesting people.

Where I stand to shake the bell I can see/hear everything that drives into the parking lot. Last year a Dodge pickup drove in and it sounded "funny", not like a normal gas engine nor like the 6B diesel. When the driver and a couple of kids came to the front door I asked him what was different about it. He said his pickup had a four-cylinder Cummins diesel engine.

Cummins produces the B Series engines in both 4 and 6 cylinder versions for customers other than Dodge. Case, for example, uses those engines exclusively in their farm equipment. Cummins produces the engines for the Dodge pickups (only the 6B version) at a plant just south of Columbus, IN. They produce engines for the other contracts at several other plants scattered around the world.

This pickup driver had taken a used 4B engine from another application and installed/converted it for use in his pickup truck. He said that although it sounded a bit different, it performed very well and gave him very good fuel mileage.

All for now. Ride safe out there.

wyrtyr2 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2016, 06:21:43 AM »

I have owned three. Great engine. The truck so-so. Ball joints on every one, transmission issues on one. Poor dealer backup. I moved to GM diesels and am way happier. The Allison trans is the deal breaker over the Cummins engine. I plow, tow and put 40K mi per year w/o any issues. I would be lost w/o it. 8 below right now.

Arizona Wayne · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2016, 11:44:57 AM »

Quote from: old head on January 10, 2016, 05:31:20 PM

If only the Dodge trucks were the same quality as the Cummins, but alas it isn't.

Oh well, such is life.

the boss just put me in a new Toyota Tacoma, my old Tacoma had 273k on the odometer. Other than tires, and brakes, I think I had to fix a catalytic converter (Toyota did step up and warranty it, well past its mileage warranty), and rear wheel bearing went out, that's it.

I have a `89 Dodge 3/4T PU and the water pump is still good, but last year I had to replace the radiator and now the top radiator hose! Some of the plastic trim in the cab is breaking up, dang POSs.

Original owner 58K miles on it.

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #19 on:** January 11, 2016, 11:51:46 AM »

This needs to be reported to the NHTSA before someone gets hurt.

LowRyter · « **Reply #20 on:** January 11, 2016, 11:58:27 AM »

I wish my Duramax was so easy. It's supposedly a $1000 job @ 100k miles

Two Checks · « **Reply #21 on:** January 11, 2016, 11:59:21 AM »

That GM Duramax is actually an Isuzu.

LowRyter · « **Reply #22 on:** January 11, 2016, 12:40:37 PM »

Quote from: Two Checks on January 11, 2016, 11:59:21 AM

That GM Duramax is actually an Isuzu.

It's actually a Duramax. A GM-Isuzu partnership and its own company.

"The 6.6-liter Duramax is produced by DMAX, a joint venture between GM and Isuzu in Moraine, Ohio. The Duramax block and heads are poured at The Defiance GM Powertrain foundry in Defiance, Ohio. "

Yes, it's an Isuzu design. I also own a Isuzu Trooper it's well made, trouble free and durable.

The Duramax/Allison has been a pretty reliable engine compared to the various Fords and Cummins since '01. But my particular model does have known issue with water pump replacements (I've not encountered it but I do expect it).

rbond · « **Reply #23 on:** January 11, 2016, 12:45:20 PM »

I heard that Piaggio was working on a MG diesel v-twin. That one might have a bigger torque reaction at idle more than a gas version IMHO.

Rough Edge racing · « **Reply #24 on:** January 11, 2016, 04:15:34 PM »

Considering the Diesel option is about 7000 bucks on a new truck, you might just think it's a bit more quality...

Two Checks · « **Reply #25 on:** January 11, 2016, 05:56:45 PM »

So, (see, I started a sentence that way) the Duramax was designed by Isuzu, hence it is an Isuzu engine.
A friend's son bought one the first year they came out. It was in the shop with engine trouble so much he traded it before it was a year old. Took a bath on it.

nbags · « **Reply #26 on:** January 11, 2016, 07:22:51 PM »

probably only get 40 to 60k on aftermarket pump 80% are made by gmb no matter who sells it napa,oreilly,federated.quality is a bit inferior than oe.

LowRyter · « **Reply #27 on:** January 11, 2016, 07:37:40 PM »

Quote from: Two Checks on January 11, 2016, 05:56:45 PM

So, (see, I started a sentence that way) the Duramax was designed by Isuzu, hence it is an Isuzu engine.
A friend's son bought one the first year they came out. It was in the shop with engine trouble so much he traded it before it was a year old. Took a bath on it.

injectors. Chevy fixed them passed warranty date. I have the Gen 2. Gen 3 is best.

WitchCityGuzzi · « **Reply #28 on:** January 12, 2016, 06:24:38 AM »

Quote from: OMG on January 11, 2016, 11:51:46 AM

This needs to be reported to the NHTSA before someone gets hurt.

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #29 on:** January 12, 2016, 07:29:14 AM »

Quote from: krglorioso on January 10, 2016, 07:39:37 PM

Sounds like a Porsche 928 that lost its water pump. I understand they are monsters to replace.

Ralph

Supercharged MINI, which I no longer have..

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Author Topic: Dodge Cummins water pump...they don't make 'em like they used to (Read 10403 times)

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