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Superfluous bits on cars (and bikes)
« on: February 23, 2016, 01:21:08 AM »
So - I was bimbling into work today and thinking back to the days when I started owning cars (a Hillman Imp was my first)  and began to wonder how much "stuff" on a modern car is unnecessary/just nice to have and what could be dropped but still have a functional safe car and how much cheaper/fuel efficient they would be

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Electric windows
Air conditioning - based on current UK climate and ignoring any global warming  :wink:
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2016, 01:58:04 AM »
I dont know about the items you mention but numerous pointless pieces of plastic under seats, centre consoles which are huge and have the only purpose of covering a carpet seam and providing 3 euro coin slots there pretty pointless.

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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2016, 04:39:46 AM »
I get misty about old cars, too...until I remember how unsafe they were, how inefficient, how short lived, how maintenance-intensive. In America, people are dying on highways nearly 40% less than when I was a lad. I'll admit that I think of my 4-wheeler more as an appliance than an expression of my personality these days, but I guess I'm just as happy to save that sort of emotion for my motorcycle...
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2016, 04:55:09 AM »
I too had a Hillman Imp (74 Super no less) as my first car. GREAT car. so much fun to drive. 750Kg, 40mpg and 40bhp.

Navigation systems go in the bin as far i am concerned. I have NEVER needed one. Not in a car or on a bike.

SEAT released the Mii a few years ago and it harked back to compact city cars of old. No bells or whistles. Just a steel box with four wheels. Cheap too.

Automatic Boot/Trunk openers can go too. Along with Automatic parking systems. If you cant park your own car properly, you shouldn't be driving it.

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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2016, 05:30:04 AM »
I would suppose power assist brakes could go also. If one were actually willing to use hand signals for turning, (many wouldn't), blinkers could go as well.

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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2016, 06:18:31 AM »
I would suppose power assist brakes could go also. If one were actually willing to use hand signals for turning, (many wouldn't), blinkers could go as well.

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2016, 06:23:10 AM »
American's on here can probably put me right if I get my facts wrong but I believe  there was once a company who made cars and shared you point of view: Studebaker.
 The Studebaker Dictator (maybe this is one for the silly names thread, calling a car Dictator in the 1930s!) built to a better standard than a contemporary Ford or Chrysler but guess what - only one tail light because who needs two. Philosophy what's provided is good and don't waste on superfluous tat. Meanwhile there rest of the industry was thinking about chrome trim, radios.... History tells us who won with that one.
(I suspect single tail lights might have been the norm in the early 1920s? I think Studebaker stuck with it after the industry moved on, studebaker - nice cars - too slow to adapt to the market)

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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2016, 06:36:13 AM »
American's on here can probably put me right if I get my facts wrong but I believe  there was once a company who made cars and shared you point of view: Studebaker.
 The Studebaker Dictator (maybe this is one for the silly names thread, calling a car Dictator in the 1930s!) built to a better standard than a contemporary Ford or Chrysler but guess what - only one tail light because who needs two. Philosophy what's provided is good and don't waste on superfluous tat. Meanwhile there rest of the industry was thinking about chrome trim, radios.... History tells us who won with that one.
(I suspect single tail lights might have been the norm in the early 1920s? I think Studebaker stuck with it after the industry moved on, studebaker - nice cars - too slow to adapt to the market)

It seems like Mr. Tucker had a fair bit to do with the sane design of the automobile and it's development.
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Re: Superfluous bits on cars (and bikes)
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2016, 06:41:05 AM »

(I suspect single tail lights might have been the norm in the early 1920s? I think Studebaker stuck with it after the industry moved on, studebaker - nice cars - too slow to adapt to the market)

Though most had them, it was 1959 before two taillights were required on all autos in The USA.

Pickup trucks were the last to give up single taillights.
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2016, 06:43:14 AM »
My 1959 VW Beetle had no gas guage, just a reserve tank floor switch, 36 hp, no heater (well not anything that came close to working), no water cooling system, no electric seats or windows, no automatic transmission, manual choke,  etc. It was about as basic as a car could be but it was well made using good quality materials. Still I can't complain about the quality, longer service intervals and service life, safety features, comfort, conveniences, etc of many/most current vehicles (thank you Toyota and Honda for starting the revolution).
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2016, 06:50:07 AM »
In my humble and young opinion, I think all of the active technology being poured into cars (particularly the past few years) to make them safer is actually creating a side effect - drivers are becoming more ignorant and less attentive. I'm not referring to airbags, stiffer frames with crumple zones, and stability control. I'm talking about all of the auto-wizards built in to some of the newest cars that practically allow the driver to tune-out as soon as he / she sets off. When a vehicle can steer itself, alert you if you're veering outside of your lane, hit the brakes for you if it detects an imminent accident, and can activate the lights, windshield wipers, and even high beams automatically, the driver barely has to get involved with the vehicle. He / she can instead concentrate on what many drivers apparently view to be most important behind the wheel - text with their phones, balance a burger on their laps, and play with the radio. They're so blissfully unaware of their surroundings because the "safety features" have conditioned them to be so. "The car will take care of it." In my mind, all of that is needless junk that wouldn't be the least bit necessary if the driver kept their constant attention on the road. Imagine that!!!
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2016, 06:55:17 AM »
First I had was a Holden (GM in Aust) '68 HR Station Wagon.
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2016, 07:33:53 AM »
First I had was a Holden (GM in Aust) '68 HR Station Wagon.
Great car.
Favourite though is a Peugeot 504 with the slant 2 litre four.
Took a VERY big stick to kill one, and from '72 they had Discs
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2016, 07:36:11 AM »
 Oops, wrong quote, thought I was quoting thepittsburghguzzi
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2016, 07:55:29 AM »


About a year ago I finally ditched the front drum brakes for discs, don't know if it saved any weight but it sure was nice being able to stop like a modern car.

And if we all went back to drum brakes it certainly would slow down the tail gaiters.
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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2016, 08:03:06 AM »
PERSONALLY... I love vehicles. I fell in love with cars and trucks long before motorcycles (though working in the automotive industry for more than a decade soured me on them for a time).

We live in a pretty neat time for vehicles.

First off, cars are built better and last longer than ever before. They are also safer than ever before. And maybe most importantly for the enthusiast, they're more capable than ever before!

Look what's available today Luxury SUVs with intelligent 4WD/AWD systems, the most powerful pony cars ever built, AWD hot hatches... it's actually pretty wonderful. You can buy a 700 hp muscle car or 350 hp turbo AWD hot hatch with driver-bias able power and suspension. Wooohooo!

Now being an enthusiast I tend to shy away from the nannies. ABS is fine, TC is good in the right circumstances (especially if I can turn it off), but yeah adaptive cruise control, lane departure warnings, emergency braking systems etc. sort of insult the enthusiast in me.

I don't begrudge their existence. Hell if a car can really brake itself before hitting a pedestrian or motorcyclist it's almost like unloading the gun that's already in the hands of the criminal (the drunkard, the texting teen, whatever your stereotype). That's sorta a cool concept. But of course, I feel it's "not for me" because it somehow pollutes my connection to the driving experience.

But I DO like having some comforts and features - anything from heated leather to steering wheel audio controls for a premium satellite radio sound/NAV/Bluetooth system etc. Keyless entry/ignition with memory features is priceless when you share a vehicle with a much shorter driver!
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2016, 08:08:06 AM »
In my humble and young opinion, I think all of the active technology being poured into cars (particularly the past few years) to make them safer is actually creating a side effect - drivers are becoming more ignorant and less attentive. I'm not referring to airbags, stiffer frames with crumple zones, and stability control. I'm talking about all of the auto-wizards built in to some of the newest cars that practically allow the driver to tune-out as soon as he / she sets off. When a vehicle can steer itself, alert you if you're veering outside of your lane, hit the brakes for you if it detects an imminent accident, and can activate the lights, windshield wipers, and even high beams automatically, the driver barely has to get involved with the vehicle. He / she can instead concentrate on what many drivers apparently view to be most important behind the wheel - text with their phones, balance a burger on their laps, and play with the radio. They're so blissfully unaware of their surroundings because the "safety features" have conditioned them to be so. "The car will take care of it." In my mind, all of that is needless junk that wouldn't be the least bit necessary if the driver kept their constant attention on the road. Imagine that!!!

All of this is necessary, as is the effect on the driver, so that automated highways can be eased into public acceptance.

Do I want to go back to my Datsun 510?  For fun, sure.  For daily transport, nah.  I'll stick with my modern near base model V70 Volvo.  Except I hate the stupid push-keyfob-into-the-dash starting system.  I get your point though. 

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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2016, 08:48:57 AM »
I had a 1955 Cadillac Fleetwood 7-passenger Imperial Sedan. 6,000 pounds:  power windows, power steering, power brakes, auto-station search on vacuum tube AM radio, power antenna, power seats, auto-dimming of high-beams for oncoming vehicles (where the hell is that feature on modern cars?), four heater blower motors (with four heater cores - two front, two rear), A/C, weight-be damned, pile on the features... this is Cadillac in the 1950s and we'll never run out of oil.

As for cars, I also see them a bit like appliances, and I'm with Tobit on the V70 (though I no longer have it). Should have kept that till my oldest daughter started driving.

I do like trucks though - and my 1997, 6,600 pound F250 (7.3L diesel) gets more miles per gallon than my 5,000 pound 2005 Tundra (4.7L gas).

As for superfluous bits on modern cars:
Navigation and entertainment systems seem largely unnecessary - that's on most people's mobile devices now anyway.
It seems to me that most other features provide an extra measure of safety or monitoring the vehicle's condition.
Take TPMS (tire pressure monitoring system) for example - even though it does some of the thinking for the vehicle owner, it also provides an alert in the case of a slow leak in a tire (picked up a nail or whatever).

But I think we're headed toward the driverless car era. If you can just get in and tell the car where to go, then you'll want a mobile office or entertainment center with all kinds of superfluous things like a massage chair, refrigerator, and coffee maker.
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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2016, 08:56:23 AM »
My Austin Healey has a radio but you really can't hear it, turn signals that can barely be seen, leaks like a basket when raining, worthless windshield wipers, a heater that works great in the summer, worthless defrosters. (designed in one of the wettest country's in the northern hemisphere!)

A red hair step child really...but I love it!

Nothing to do in that car but drive.

I tried the GPS thing on my beemer by mounting one on the handlebar. The first time I took it out for a ride I almost ran off the road twice.
It now resides in my tank bag for help IF I get lost. Distraction is one of your worst enemy's when riding a moto. IMO.
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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2016, 08:59:50 AM »
I was watching Motorweek on TV the other week and they spent more time talking about the "convenience" and "connectivity" features of some cars than they did about the handling and performance.  :rolleyes: I don't understand the need for "connectivity" in a car when what you're supposed to be doing is driving. Even if it's for the passengers, it's still a distraction IMO. Huge touch screens on the dash to operate the radio, heat, etc. are also ridiculous.

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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2016, 09:02:05 AM »
My wife and I spent 3 months traveling accross the country tent camping out of our 1971 Datsun 510 station wagon - the world's most perfect all around transportation vehicle. My 1973 Peugeot PX-10, 10 speed road bike with my Burley flat-bed trailer handles about 80% of my current transportation needs, I only need a car now to transport my 90 year old mother (she couldn't balance or hang on to a motorcycle and she refuses to ride in my flat-bed bicycle trailer) and living in a city I really could make do with taxi cabs and probably save money in the bargain. So from some perspectives everything about modern cars is superfluous, and my two motorcycles are nothing but superfluous fun. So if you are going to have a car why not have as many niceties and conveniences and safety features as you can afford?  I would just as soon my car would drive itself. If I  want to "enjoy the ride" I'll ride my bicycle or my motorcycles.
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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2016, 09:06:38 AM »
I heard on the news this past week that 205 was the deadliest year in automobile history since 1950.  The biggest contributor to the increase in deaths is technology.  I drive a 2009 Ford f150.  Not a fancy model.  I counted 83 different knobs and controls I had access to while driving.  Most were options.  Looks like innovation has peeked on the old bell curve of auto technology. 

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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2016, 09:30:25 AM »
I heard on the news this past week that 205 was the deadliest year in automobile history since 1950.  The biggest contributor to the increase in deaths is technology.  I drive a 2009 Ford f150.  Not a fancy model.  I counted 83 different knobs and controls I had access to while driving.  Most were options.  Looks like innovation has peeked on the old bell curve of auto technology.

Not sure what was reported or you heard, but that's not remotely true.

First I can't find whole year stats for 2015 yet. The half-year or 3/4 year results that google reports shows the first increase (of around 9%) in a DECADE. So maybe there is something to increased distraction playing a roll. BUT a DECADE of decreases and historical figures show we're still WAY OFF from the 50-60k/year deaths of the 50's and 60's. And even MORE off if you look at it as deaths/population (as the population has increased significantly too in that time).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year#Motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year



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WASHINGTON – Traffic deaths fell last year to 32,675, continuing a nearly decade-long series of declines in the key safety statistic, but federal officials warned Tuesday of a troubling increase in fatalities during the first  half of 2015.

The 2014 total roadway deaths of motorists, bicyclists and pedestrians represented a 0.1% decline from the previous year, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced. But estimates for the first six months of 2015 signal an increase in fatalities, rising 8.1% to 16,225 from the same period last year.
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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2016, 09:52:43 AM »
I still remember a Johnny Carson monolog.  The day before a Memorial Day weekend in 1975.

"There will be over 600 people killed on the highways this weekend.  To those 600 I will say goodbye now."

Yep, it is nostalgic to think about cars of our youth.  Yep, they were easy to work on (in some cases) and I could repair just about anything on the car.  Good thing too, cause new plugs and minor tuneup every 10k, carb rebuild at 20k, valve job at 50-75k, overhaul around 100k.  Now I have vehicles that go 100k with only fluid and filter changes (and some well beyond that).

Superfluous stuff.  Yep, tons of it.  Why have a heater or ac?  No need for heated or electric seats.  What about all that mandated stuff like seat belt warnings and airbags.  Then there are the electric windows, heated rearview mirrors, soundproofing, power steering, power brakes, cup holders, etc, etc.

OTOH, I LIKE all that stuff and am willing to pay extra for it.  On the multi-day cross country trips I like to be comfortable and have those extras.

PS and, yes, I would like a real cruise control and ABS on my bike.  Even an integrated GPS would be nice.
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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2016, 10:01:26 AM »
What is always bothersome to me is when they do these annual comparisons without noting if the difference is statistically significant (a figure which can be mathematically calculated) or if the difference is just variable fluctuations which are meaningless and do not illustrate any trends. Mostly they just report the raw difference and then use that meaningless number to support whichever position they care to support. I don't have access to the raw data or the statistical skills to do the proper calculations with any confidence but as a mechanical engineer (retired) vaguely familiar with statistical analysis I would doubt that a one year fluctuation of plus or minus even as much as 5% had any real statistical significance or indicated any meaningful trend in traffic fatalities. I would like to know the percentage of difference that would actually be considered statistically significant if anyone knows it.

However I agree with the comment on complexity of operation. My 2010 Rav-4 not super deluxe model came with two volumes of owners manual (one for the car and one for the audio/communications system) which I still haven't found the time to read through and just the other day I discovered that I  apparently have a separate headlight switch position that turns on just fog lamps (?).  Go figure.
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« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2016, 10:13:36 AM »
But I think we're headed toward the driverless car era. If you can just get in and tell the car where to go, then you'll want a mobile office or entertainment center with all kinds of superfluous things like a massage chair, refrigerator, and coffee maker.

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« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2016, 10:14:00 AM »

Yep, it is nostalgic to think about cars of our youth.  Yep, they were easy to work on (in some cases) and I could repair just about anything on the car.  Good thing too, cause new plugs and minor tuneup every 10k, carb rebuild at 20k, valve job at 50-75k, overhaul around 100k.  Now I have vehicles that go 100k with only fluid and filter changes (and some well beyond that).

Superfluous stuff.  Yep, tons of it.  Why have a heater or ac?  No need for heated or electric seats.  What about all that mandated stuff like seat belt warnings and airbags.  Then there are the electric windows, heated rearview mirrors, soundproofing, power steering, power brakes, cup holders, etc, etc.

OTOH, I LIKE all that stuff and am willing to pay extra for it.  On the multi-day cross country trips I like to be comfortable and have those extras.

PS and, yes, I would like a real cruise control and ABS on my bike.  Even an integrated GPS would be nice.

I guess it depends on how old you are and what cars you pick as an example. I was 16 in '79. I now own a '79 Mercedes 300CD with 200k miles. I have almost all of the service records for it from day one. Makes for really boring reading - nothing much ever went wrong for the first 25 years. Still no valve jobs, no overhauls, just shocks and other steering and suspension bits, brakes, batteries, starter, radiator - age related stuff. Climate control no longer works - wish it had the simple manual controls of the 240D and Euro 300D. Still has excellent heat, you just have to manipulate the controls manually. I'd rather it had manual windows and sunroof as well.  It has power steering and power brakes, plenty of sound deadening. I don't need nor want heated and/or power seats. I'd rather have a manual transmission instead of the automatic, but that's the way the US models came. No cup holders - just as it should be. A more comfortable car I've never driven.
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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2016, 10:30:24 AM »
I'm doing an experiment, and that's how long I can go without the superfluous bits on my car as they break.

Driver's side window mechanism.. check - hasn't worked in 2-years. Makes me avoid Fast Food drive through, therefore I eat healthier +
Rear passenger window mechanism - check - they haven't worked in 3 or 4 years -  I rarely have passengers, so not an issue
Front grille... fell out a few months ago... As a buddy of mine said "you are taking debadging to a whole new level" I actually like the look +
A few interior trim pieces, mainly covers for the seat mechanism - They just hang there since the clips broke and are held on by the switches

More parts will probably shatter and fall off before winter is over I'm sure.

I drive an '03 540i 6-speed. The car still looks cool, but all the plastic parts are pretty much failing due to the cold winters (not this year especially, but over and over). I'd probably won't ever buy a new car unless I moved to in an area where weather isn't so brutal on vehicles.

I'd love to just have engine, transmissions, lights, roll up windows, great brakes and suspension. The rest is superfluous and is a pain to maintain.
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Re: Superfluous bits on cars (and bikes)
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2016, 10:31:02 AM »
My standpoint is probably different from all of yours. I am autistic; although I have worked throughout my adult life I have never had successful employment. I work smart and hard and honest. I make few errors and I get a lot done. I frequently end up doing work of others. But I lack some sort of social skill set and do not get credit for what I have done. I do the work; someone else gets the raise and promotion. I get fired.

I like to say that I have aspired to poverty. The cycle of poverty includes motor vehicles. Usually I buy a clunker. People have asked me why OI just don't buy a new Toyota and have a decent car; I tell them that I have never had a job long enough to pay one off! My vehicles are usually cheap to buy but costly to own. I push them down the road costly mile after costly mile; repair after repair.

From my standpoint any superfluous complexity is just more stuff to fail and so more stuff to repair. Some of the unneeded features may be such that I can just leave them failed and live with it.  Other things are not so easily ignored. Here is a case in point. Opening windows is a good thing. Now when my old truck, a 1987 Chevrolet R 20H got to the point of its passenger window failing to roll down; I pulled the door panel off then cleaned and lubed the winder components and there it was, an operational window. When the power passenger window failed in my later 2002 Chevrozook Tracker, the body shop told me that it would cost abut six hundred dollars to repair. Here is another, I have had to hang starters into various vehicles. Rebuilt goes for about forty clams. But the install of a starter onto that same Tracker was nearly impossible without a lift. Off to the professional spanner spinner. Total about six and a half partly due to the Chinese puzzle install and partly due to the cost of a gear down starter.

I look at unnecessary complexity as cost risers and as reasons to park a vehicle and walk. As such, I see nearly everything as superfluous. I  would take a Flintstone car!

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Re: Superfluous bits on cars (and bikes)
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2016, 10:34:12 AM »
I wanted a work car, gas mileage being chief concern. It had to be an automatic so the Mrs could drive it. I wanted headroom and the ability to spread out a little when I drive (narrow door.) I wanted a port to connect my phone or ipod to the sound system for the yearly 2000 mile round trips I take to see family. I ended up with the low end Nissan Versa. 40 mpg. CV transmission. Heat, A/C, crank windows.  I had a cruise control installed. Will have window tint installed. The only thing I miss as a convenience is the power lock doors.  They come in handy. It gets better MPG than the sidecar. I may put a hitch on it to tow a tiny trailer for a small 250cc bike. Throw a cot tent in the trunk, camp chair...the perfect KERA coach.  :wink:

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