I'm Jonesing for a ride on the v9...Under 10K!!!$$$

[rocker59]

I'm sure this has been covered earlier but I just ask here for a quick refresher.  Tell me again, other than the bigger engine and extra 7 ponies and smaller tank and different styling - what are the other differences on paper of the V9 versus the V7II?

Swing arm is wider and the bevel box is new.
Wheels:  16/19 on the Roamer.  16/16 on the Bobber.
Lower frame rail is changed.  Pegs farther forward, about where they were on a Nevada, though lower.
Muffler brackets come back from the lower frame rail, instead of hanging on the rear foot peg.
New gauge package.  New handlebar switchgear.

Lots of detail changes beyond the engine and bodywork...

[DaSwami]

Moto International has pricing....arriving next month

https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/moto-guzzi/2017-moto-guzzi-v9-bobber-850


https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/moto-guzzi/2017-moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-850

[bpreynolds]

Moto International has pricing....arriving next month

https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/moto-guzzi/2017-moto-guzzi-v9-bobber-850


https://www.motointernational.com/catalog/moto-guzzi/2017-moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-850

So $11,982.96 otd for Roamer and $12,532.46 otd for Bobber.  I'm gonna be the first to say that's a little shocking.  Maybe it shouldn't be. 

[Kev m]

So $11,982.96 otd for Roamer and $12,532.46 otd for Bobber.  I'm gonna be the first to say that's a little shocking.  Maybe it shouldn't be. 

 I'm gonna be the first to say thats

You can't compare OTD prices to MSRPs from other bikes.

Look at the MSRP.

It's basically Roamer $10k ($9,990) and Bobber $10.5 ($10,490) which is about market:


Ducati Scrambler $9-11.3k ($8,895-$11,295 though 3 of the 5 models are $10,495)

Bonnie Street Twin $10k ($9990)   (I should add the outgoing base model was $9099-$10,999)

Though ironically the HARLEYS COME IN A HAIR CHEAPER!

883's $8.5-9k ($8,499-$8,849)


EDIT - or just compare it to current V7 prices

Stone $9k - $8,990
Scramber -$11k - $10,990
Stornello - $11.2k - $11,190
Racer - $11.2k - $11,190


If there's a surprise here it's the fact that they are both CHEAPER THAN THE V7 Scrambler/Stornello/Racer!

[bpreynolds]

Thanks for posting, Kev.  That does help put it in a bit of perspective.  In fact, I was wondering the price of those other bikes even as I was posting earlier. 

[fossil]

In Germany the price for the V7II Racer is exactly the same as for the V9 Roamer. The V7II Stornello is more expensive, the price is identical to the V9 Bopper. Stone and Special are significantly cheaper, but that makes sense as the details are not up to par with the V9 models.

So, one could say there is no price difference for models with comparable features.

[kevdog3019]

Looking at the specs is interesting.  This gives credibility of 4-valve head mods yet for the 750 engine.  My hopped up 650 is equal hp/less torque to the V9 but 80-90# lighter.  Both have 16" rims interestingly enough.  The 750 4-valve will quite easily surpass hp numbers/torque??.  Problem is heads.  I will grant you... it's not all about hp. This torque should feel pretty nice.  I'm not a fan AT ALL with the styling.  Wish they did 4-valve heads.
K

[jas67]

Stone $9k - $8,990
Scramber -$11k - $10,990
Stornello - $11.2k - $11,190
Racer - $11.2k - $11,190

Also really puts the deals on left over V7 (pre II) models into perspective.

If there's a surprise here it's the fact that they are both CHEAPER THAN THE V7 Scrambler/Stornello/Racer!

 :1:

[bad Chad]

Sub 10K, is a very approperiate point.  Puts it right in the hunt.

[PJPR01]

Curious about a couple of things...if anyone knows specifics.

What exactly is missing from the current V7 engine to meet specs in 2017...in other words, how far off is it from meeting the future Euro specs?

Would it be possible for them to modify the engine a bit to do so?

Also...any idea if the V9 engine is going to run hotter than the V7...curious more about this one.

Reason being that as I go back and forth between the 2V Norge and 4V Griso...I can definitely tell the Griso runs hotter on my legs than the Norge...so wondering if that will happen as well with the V9.

Saluti!

[Kev m]

Paul,

I certainly don't have an answer to most of your questions and I can't imagine anyone outside the factory team who tests for compliance would as I doubt anyone has tried to tune their V7 to meet the upcoming new lower emissions standards.

My swag is that they never would have developed the V9 (especially for so relatively small a HP gain) if the V7 could realistically be bought into compliance.

Another swag is that's one if the reasons for the change in head design.

Actually it's been pretty commonplace in the industry for years to increase cubic inches on air cooled motors to help with emissions standards. They get a small bump in power along with a chance to increase volumetric efficiency and better deal with increased combustion chamber temps.

So yes, I would expect it to run a little hotter, but I'm guessing the difference won't be like the 4V vs 8V CARCs because of the relatively smaller power differences.

Of course these are all guesses and any one (or all) could prove to be total crap.

[PJPR01]

That makes all good sense Kev...thank you. 

[sign216]

If the V9 was designed primarily to comply with emission standards that are beyond the V7 engine design, well....that just that increases the V7's appeal. 

[fossil]

If the V9 was designed primarily to comply with emission standards that are beyond the V7 engine design, well....that just that increases the V7's appeal.

And why should that be so?

[rocker59]

And why should that be so?

Because used V7s will be that much cheaper!   

[sign216]

And why should that be so?

Designing an engine primarily around emission requirements will mean compromises that don't favor the rider, or the engineer. 
I might be pessimistic, but I like the V7.

[oldbike54]

Designing an engine primarily around emission requirements will mean compromises that don't favor the rider, or the engineer. 
I might be pessimistic, but I like the V7.

 Even though the V9 has a more efficient cylinder head design ? Honda proved a long time ago that low emissions and high specific output are compatible .

 Dusty

[sign216]

Even though the V9 has a more efficient cylinder head design ? Honda proved a long time ago that low emissions and high specific output are compatible .

 Dusty

You mean abandoning the Heron head, which is quirky attribute of the smallblock.

In essence, BMW made these arguments in "improving" their motorcycles.   They are now so improved that the owner can't work on them.  It's a slippery slope I want Guzzi to avoid.

[jas67]

Even though the V9 has a more efficient cylinder head design ? Honda proved a long time ago that low emissions and high specific output are compatible .

 Dusty

Moto Guzzi is not like Honda (see previous thread  ).

[oldbike54]

You mean abandoning the Heron head, which is quirky attribute of the smallblock.

In essence, BMW made these arguments in "improving" their motorcycles.   They are now so improved that the owner can't work on them.  It's a slippery slope I want Guzzi to avoid.

 Trust me , even back in the 1970's most BMW owners couldn't work on their own bikes 

 Doesn't seem as though the V9 is any more complicated than the V7 , if someone can work on the V7, I'll bet they can work on a V9 . Actually , a couple of friends that own modern beemers and have  been riding the marque for years claim that the new models aren't all that difficult to work on , simply a matter of learning some new skills . Like Roper says , if someone truly understands how a 1970's MC works , learning the new bikes isn't all that tough .

  Dusty

[sign216]

Trust me , even back in the 1970's most BMW owners couldn't work on their own bikes 

 Doesn't seem as though the V9 is any more complicated than the V7 , if someone can work on the V7, I'll bet they can work on a V9 . Actually , a couple of friends that own modern beemers and have  been riding the marque for years claim that the new models aren't all that difficult to work on , simply a matter of learning some new skills . Like Roper says , if someone truly understands how a 1970's MC works , learning the new bikes isn't all that tough .

  Dusty

I respectfully disagree.  Back in the day, many/most BMW riders did their own work.  I still have my '58 R50.  Tearing into its inards is a pleasure.  The modern BMWs, not so much.   

[Kev m]

Oh brother...

[oldbike54]

I respectfully disagree.  Back in the day, many/most BMW riders did their own work.  I still have my '58 R50.  Tearing into its inards is a pleasure.  The modern BMWs, not so much.

 Well , and you have to "tear" into it every so often to clean the flinger plates  I will bet that any one who owns a 2015 model oilhead wouldn't experience any more real problems with a complete rebuild than with a /5 . Having worked on a 1955 R50 , it still helps to  know what you are doing . AND, while owners of old beemers probably do more of their own work now , back when that old MC was new , the dealers were responsible for most of the maintenance . Folks that buy new bikes don't normally work on their own stuff , or why bother with a new bike ?

 Dusty

[oldbike54]

Oh brother...

 Aww c'mon Kev , we all know people don't like change , I remember the Triumph guys in 1971 grousing about the change to 5 speed transmissions <"why do you need another gear?"  The beemer guys in 1969 proclaimed the new /5 models with oil filters and chain driven cams would destroy the company , and then they whined about the loss of the kickstarter in what 1979 ? Don't get me started on the hand wringing in 1981 with the introduction of nikasil ,"Why whaddaya mean
it can't be bored , junk I tell ya , junk" 

 Dusty


 Edit , not that there is anything wrong with loving old bikes , my screen name is after all ...

[bpreynolds]

Aww c'mon Kev , we all know people don't like change , I remember the Triumph guys in 1971 grousing about the change to 5 speed transmissions <"why do you need another gear?"  The beemer guys in 1969 proclaimed the new /5 models with oil filters and chain driven cams would destroy the company , and then they whined about the loss of the kickstarter in what 1979 ? Don't get me started on the hand wringing in 1981 with the introduction of nikasil ,"Why whaddaya mean
it can't be bored , junk I tell ya , junk" 

 Dusty


 Edit , not that there is anything wrong with loving old bikes , my screen name is after all ...

Would you let one marry your daughter? 





I thought not.
 

[oldbike54]

Would you let one marry your daughter? 





I thought not.
 

 A beemer rider ? Of course not , are you crazy , I know what those guys are like 

  Dusty

[Kev m]

Aww c'mon Kev , we all know people don't like change ,

And that's what I'm rolling my eyes at.

Like it or not change is the one constant.

And more importantly, disliking something isn't a reason to see something that isn't there (or not see something that is).

[sign216]

Eye rolling?  Really?


Such camaraderie.

I'll go to another forum.

 

[bad Chad]

Guzzi is not Honda nor BMW, not buy a long shot, thank god!

[Kev m]

Eye rolling?  Really?


Such camaraderie.

I'll go to another forum.

Oh puhleeze.

If friends can't disagree who can.