Griso side stand lever bolts

[Trogladyte]

I'm talking about the convenient little pedal that you catch with your boot to put the stand down. Parts cattledog describes it as a "lever". Anyway, mine was annoyingly loose, so I tightened it. That didn't help much. So having nearly 40 years of experience, I thought I'd just wind it up some more. And one of the two bolts snapped  - snapped of flush with the surface of the stand.

Brilliant.

I now have to put the stand down with my hand, or get off and then put it down, as I cant quite get it with my boot on. This is all a bit of a yawn.

So I need to get the bolt out. This is proving challenging.

It's very small, seems very hard, and is fundamentally stuck. I have tried heating the stand, and tapping it round with a punch and a chisel, but it is very slightly recessed into the stand, and difficult to get any purchase on.

Any ideas?

[lucian]

Block the bike up under the sump and take the stand off. Take it to your local machinist. Peace of cake.

[Trogladyte]

Block the bike up under the sump and take the stand off. Take it to your local machinist. Peace of cake.

Yeah. I may have to do that eventually. But I'd rather not, as I rely on the Griso for my day to day transport, and without a centre stand, the side stand is pretty critical.

[CalVin2007]

  Center punch to make the starting point,then a proper bit in a drill motor to remove most of the broken piece. Followed with a tap to remove the remnants still in the threaded hole. Might need a good hard bit, and left handed would be nice in case it wants to come out while drilling (feel lucky?).

  Terry

[pete roper]

Originally there is a small rubber plate between the tang and the stand. This flogs out in pretty short order and the tang gets loose. My solution is slightly shorter bolts.

Pete

[racasey]

What am I missing here.  The OP clearly states his problem, has failed at the obvious fix, and asks for recommendations.

In short order a well intentioned person states a clear solution to the problem, and the OP sets up an argument and essentially says "No".

Why did the OP ask for help?

[keener]

What am I missing here.  The OP clearly states his problem, has failed at the obvious fix, and asks for recommendations.

In short order a well intentioned person states a clear solution to the problem, and the OP sets up an argument as essentially says "No".

Why did the OP ask for help?

because he needed help

[tris]

A) are you trying to fix it still on the bike or on the bench Probably easier on the bench
B) a bit animal - but could you weld it in place? Disconnect / remove ECU if still on bike

[Trogladyte]

What am I missing here.  The OP clearly states his problem, has failed at the obvious fix, and asks for recommendations.

In short order a well intentioned person states a clear solution to the problem, and the OP sets up an argument as essentially says "No".

Why did the OP ask for help?

OK, it's quite simple.

I know I could take the stand off and take it to my local engineering shop - and that is sensible advice for which I am grateful. And I will if I have to. I am just wondering if there is something that I could do either with the stand on the bike, or with the stand on my bench, that will avoid the difficulty of not being able to use the bike as my daily transport while the stand is at the engineers. In my experience, and sadly I have some experience of this, the local engineer is pretty busy and takes a couple of days to do something like this.

[Trogladyte]

A) are you trying to fix it still on the bike or on the bench Probably easier on the bench
B) a bit animal - but could you weld it in place? Disconnect / remove ECU if still on bike

Thanks.

I have tried the punch and chisel with the stand in a vice on my bench. It may be that my tools are made of chocolate, but the bolt seems very hard. I'm even struggling to centre punch it effectively - of course it has snapped at a slight angle, and my punch just slips. If I could punch it effectively, I'd try drilling it, as I have a bench drill.

I think I've probably now talked myself into taking it to the engineer.     

[tris]

If you've taken your "brave pill" PLUS you have a decent rigid bench drill PLUS you can hold it firm and square (as in bolted to the table) you might try this

a) Lay your hands on a small centre drill as they're stiff and wont wonder off - but you'll still need to "baby it"

b) If you bust the centre drill try a small slot drill to effectively machine the end off the bolt flat so that you get a drill in it that wont skate off to one side

PS
You can get solid carbide centre and slot drills - I can't imagine the bolt being harder than that!

[tris]

Originally there is a small rubber plate between the tang and the stand. This flogs out in pretty short order and the tang gets loose. My solution is slightly shorter bolts.

Pete

Pete makes a good point too.

ie if short bolts solves the problem and you tightened it up more than once its likely that its bottomed out in the hole now thus being a cow to unscrew