1200 T120 vs 1200 Griso

[M0T0Geezer]

Triumph will sell loads of their T120 Bonneville at this price yet the $1,500 premium on Griso seems a real value too.   There is no doubt the the G has lots more Whupp-Arse over the T. 

Triumph T120 Bonneville  $11,500   http://tinyurl.com/j44t6no
  1200cc 8V vertical twin
  liquid-cooled
  77 ft-lbs torque @ 3500 rpm
  80 hp @ 6550 rpm
  Dry weight: 494 pounds

   


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 Moto Guzzi Griso     $12,990   http://tinyurl.com/hd3vog5
  1200cc 8V V-Twin
  Air/oil cooled
  80 foot pounds @ 6,400 rpm
  110 hp at 7,500 rpm
  Dry Weight: 489 pounds

   

[ohiorider]

http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/bikes/Classics/Bonneville/2016/Bonneville-T120

Ck out this link to the latest Triumph specs.  They're showing 105 ft/lb torque at 3100rpm.  Think maybe someone got their 'lb/ft' and 'Newton/meters' crossed up?

[Kev m]

http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/bikes/Classics/Bonneville/2016/Bonneville-T120

Ck out this link to the latest Triumph specs.  They're showing 105 ft/lb torque at 3100rpm.  Think maybe someone got their 'lb/ft' and 'Newton/meters' crossed up?

Well 105 Nm = 77 ft. lbs.

And 77 ft. lbs. agrees comparatively with the relative power of the Thruxton and Street respectively (i.e. it's in the middle).

AND if you go deeper into the website then you'll see elsewhere under T120 specs they show 77 ft. lbs. as the number:

http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/bikes/Classics/Bonneville/2016/Bonneville-T120/Variants/Bonneville-T120-Black

Max Power EC
80 Hp (59kW) 6550 rpm

Max Torque EC
77.4 FT-lbs (105 Nm) 3100 rpm

Brakes Front
Twin 310mm discs, Nissin 2-piston floating calipers, ABS

Brakes Rear
Single 255mm disc, Nissin 2-piston floating caliper, ABS

Front Suspension
Kayaba 41mm cartidge forks, 120mm travel

Rear Suspension
Kayaba twin shocks with adjustable preload, 120mm rear wheel travel

So yeah.

That said, the Thruxton and Thruxton R at 96 hp and 83 ft. lbs. torque should be giving a Griso a run for it's money in all categories I'd think.

[ohiorider]

Hoping someone from Triumph catches their editorial error. 

[Jerryd]

Specs are great for ads and marketing, but what really counts is their head to head performance on the street through the gears, or at the very least on a dyno!

[MariusD]

The T120 and the Griso are, in reality, nothing alike. The same buyer will not be cross shopping these. (unless you're a really confused person). Ergonomics and therefore purpose is very different between these two. The griso has much more sporty/cramped ergos which are good for spirited riding. That is very different from the t120, which has a very relaxed, sit up straight, standard seating position geared towards comfortable cruising around.

Another hint that these bikes are apples and oranges is evidenced by power delivery characteristics. The T120 makes peak torque at 3500rpm, where as the Griso peaks at nearly double that, 6400rpm. That alone tells you the T120 is made to comfortably lope around, while the Griso is designed to be run much harder.

Simply put, the bikes aren't comparable based on ergos, or power delivery. 

The right comparison is Thruxton vs Griso. These two are indeed on the same page as they are both designed with the same intent.

[not-fishing]

You know I keep hearing about the Griso's "Cramped" Ergos and I wonder why.  of course mine does have the 1" drop pegs and I do have short shanks

Sure it's not a "sit up and bet" arrangement.

The bars are as wide as a downhill mountain bike -- so with bent elbows your arms are like a wide pushup with your hands outside your shoulders.

No below the triple clamp clip-ons -- so forward lean is far less than a normal racing bicycle with hands next to the stem.  which many are known to ride for more than 8+ hours at a time

Seat is wide and sculpted.not like a Brooks

The big thing is don't ride it for more than 1 1/2 hr without getting off and stretching your legs.  Heck I doubt that office workers sit still for that long.

My longest ride is 6 1/2 hours on the Griso and I was tired, fine and happy -- lots of corners.

Now if you want to go 12+ hours cross country on a motorcycle with diapers on you'd probably better get a Stelvio. or BMW

I've done my endurance competitions and I think their foolish on a motorcycle.  we don't need the added hazard and don't need to get hurt because we're tired