incredible stupid road rage bike vs cage

[Arizona Wayne]

Most guys who are adamant anti-filtering have never done it and refuse to even consider it.   

[DaSwami]

Most guys who are adamant anti-filtering have never done it and refuse to even consider it.   

Maybe, but in my case, I don't want to be between two lines of cager traffic, to much restriction of my personal comfort zone.  I've seen riders have doors swung open on them, and cagers sort of resent you "getting too close" even if no harm done, especially if they are a rich snob with a set of shiny wheels.  I want SPACE when I ride, not show off how clever we are by knifing through stalled traffic. 

I consider filtering a handy emergency maneuver, but to each their own.

[Arizona Wayne]

Maybe, but in my case, I don't want to be between two lines of cager traffic, to much restriction of my personal comfort zone.  I've seen riders have doors swung open on them, and cagers sort of resent you "getting too close" even if no harm done, especially if they are a rich snob with a set of shiny wheels.  I want SPACE when I ride, not show off how clever we are by knifing through stalled traffic. 

I consider filtering a handy emergency maneuver, but to each their own.

I've seen riders have doors swung open on them...........I've filtered/split lanes for decades and have never seen that.  I don't believe you.

[azguzzirep]

I've had a gun pulled on me at a stop sign by gang bangers or it  was just some punk kid.

It was a Wednesday night and I was riding home from a bike night in Tempe. I was 1/4 mile from my house on a narrow street. The road Ended onto the freeway access road .

So, I'm slowing for the stop sign and notice the car behind me is coming around me on the left side. Hmmmm, strange I thought. As I come to a stop the car pulled up alongside me and I looked over to see a young guy half hanging out the passenger window pointing a gun at me with one had and his other arm was raised and he was pointing down at me and saying " I'm going to kill you,mother f*cker !"

The car was so close to me I reached over with my left hand and grabbed the gun and pushed it down and to the back of me so if he shot it wouldn't hit me but on the ground behind me.

Now I don't know what to do. Here I have a guy yelling his head off at me and I am holding onto his gun pushing it away and not letting him pull it back and out of my hand. My bike is running but my left hand is a little busy at the moment keeping me from getting shot. I knew this wasn't a good situation. Duh!

So I gave the gun hard jerk trying to get it away from the guy. I felt is slip but I didn't get it. I let it go,grabbed the clutch, dropped a gear and let her rip.

I had to go to the right and I let my Guzzi red line. I expected to feel hot lead in my back. I shifted gears and the front wheel lifted a bit. A car was exiting the freeway and I shot past him at about a hundred.

A major street came up quickly and I ran the red making a right turn. I blew through another light and at the next major street made another right. After only a couple blocks was a gas station and I pulled in hiding my bike behind a pickup.

Called police. They arrived quickly. I couldn't tell the police much. I don't know what kind of car it was, what the guys looked like, never saw the driver, anything. I only know I had a semi auto pointed at me.

Then I went home.
Tom

[azguzzirep]

Most guys who are adamant anti-filtering have never done it and refuse to even consider it.   

I'm Europe it is expected that scooters and mcs cut to the front at a stop.

I don't really like to do but have done it when I saw there was  slow vehicle ahead.

Tom

[redrider90]

I would be willing to bet "filtering" is illegal in all 50 states. It only makes sense that it would be illegal. I've done it but I quite a long time ago.
Many of us will use our significant power advantage and pass on a double yellow no passing zone just because we have the power to pass where most cars cannot accelerate that fast. It's still illegal. 
We complain like crazy when a cage does something illegal to us but it's OK for us to "filter" which is really another word for making an extra lane where one does exist. Whose at fault if a car moves slightly over in slow traffic and hits a filtering bike? Of course it's the bikers fault as it should be as long as the car is in its lane. 

[Triple Jim]

Would if be any different if two guys in cars next to each other at a traffic light happened to stop so the guy on the right was to the right side of his lane, and the guy on the left was to the left side of his lane, and a guy in a Mini Cooper pulled up between them?  Or if two motorcyclists were at a light in different lanes and a car pulled between them to filter?  If filtering is OK, then I'd think these examples should be OK too.

[unclepete]

In California ' filtering ' is called lane sharing and is not illegal . It is allowed because until recently motorcycles were mostly air cooled and the need for a flow of air was recognized . 
Motorcycles do not do well in rear end incidents , and the idea of a bike being sandwiched between bumpers causes me to believe that between lanes is a safer place to be .
Most automobile drivers that drive routinely in heavy traffic are used to bikes splitting lanes , and make room for them rather than impeding their progress .   

[redrider90]

In California ' filtering ' is called lane sharing and is not illegal . It is allowed because until recently motorcycles were mostly air cooled and the need for a flow of air was recognized . 
Motorcycles do not do well in rear end incidents , and the idea of a bike being sandwiched between bumpers causes me to believe that between lanes is a safer place to be .
Most automobile drivers that drive routinely in heavy traffic are used to bikes splitting lanes , and make room for them rather than impeding their progress .

I am surprised that it is legal. Any other states legal? No doubt Los Angles/San Francisco severe chronic congestion had something to do with this being legal.  I read the CHP guidelines for it. Of course there is that one caveat in the rules pretty much limiting "filtering"  to 10 MPH or less and then there is the disclaimer " Risk of getting a ticket: Motorcyclists who lane split are not relieved of the responsibility to obey all existing traffic laws. With respect to possible law enforcement action, keep in mind that it will be up to the discretion of the Law Enforcement Officer to determine if riding behavior while lane splitting is or was safe and prudent."

[redrider90]

Here is a link to the AMA's take on it. http://americanmotorcyclist.com/rights/positionstatements/lanesplitting.aspx

And it seems from what AMA says CA. is the only state to specifically allow it. 
"In a statement issued by the Motorcycle Industry Council in 2011 and revised in 20144, the trade group states: �In full consideration of the risks and benefits of lane splitting, the Motorcycle Industry Council supports state laws that allow lane splitting under reasonable restrictions.�

For decades, California has been the only state to permit lane splitting. While not specifically permitted or prohibited in the California Vehicle Code, lane splitting authority comes from the California Highway Patrol. In early 2013, the CHP published lane splitting guidelines5 for the first time. While the guidelines do not carry the force of law, they provide clear indicators under which a motorcyclist might be cited for unsafe or imprudent behavior.

Legislatively, there has been state-level activity on lane splitting, although to date no bill has been enacted."

From that same article on AMA site is this bit of 'safety information'



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The American Motorcyclist Association places significant emphasis on motorcyclei operator and passenger safety. On every type of public roadway, motorcyclists encounter challenges from other roadway users and are constantly vigilant to unsafe conditions around them.

Perhaps one of the most dangerous situations for any on-highway motorcyclist is being caught in congested traffic, where stop-and-go vehicles, distracted and inattentive vehicle operators, and environmental conditions pose an increased risk of physical contact with another vehicle or hazard. Even minor contact under such conditions can be disastrous for motorcyclists.

The Hurt Report1, the most comprehensive motorcycle crash causation study to date, noted that, “Moderate or heavy traffic was the situation at 59.2 percent of the accidents [studied].” Reducing a motorcyclist’s exposure to vehicles that are frequently accelerating and decelerating on congested roadways can be one way to reduce rear-end collisions for those most vulnerable in traffic.

In many countries (excluding the United States), lane splittingii and filteringiii are normal practices for motorcyclists. Particularly in the highly urbanized areas of Europe and Asia, motorcycle and scooter operators are expected to pass between conventional vehicles and filter (advance) to the front of the group.

Recent events in the U.S. have renewed motorcyclists’ interest in lane splitting. Therefore, the AMA has prepared this position statement to aid in understanding this issue and assist motorcyclists in deciding whether to support efforts to permit lane splitting in their state.

The University of California at Berkeley published a report in May 2015 that concludes that motorcyclists who split lanes in heavy traffic are significantly less likely to be struck from behind by other motorists, are less likely to suffer head or torso injuries, and are less likely to sustain fatal injuries in a crash2.

One of the recommendations in the National Agenda for Motorcycle Safety (NAMS)3 is: “Study the safety implications of lane splitting.” In support of this recommendation, the report states:

    “A motorcycle’s narrow width can allow it to pass between lanes of stopped or slow-moving cars on roadways where the lanes are wide enough to offer an adequate gap. This option can provide an escape route for motorcyclists who would otherwise be trapped or struck from behind. There is evidence (Hurt, 1981) that traveling between lanes of stopped or slow-moving cars (i.e., lane splitting) on multiple-lane roads (such as interstate highways) slightly reduces crash frequency compared with staying within the lane and moving with other traffic.

    “Although lane splitting is allowed in just a few areas of the United States, notably California, it appears to be worthy of further study because it offers a means of reducing congestion in addition to possible safety benefits. It is widely used in many other countries.”

[Arizona Wayne]

In Ca. drivers all over the state are used to lane splitting and make room for MCs in slow driving situations.   Also on 2 lane roads slow vehicles are required to pull over if they are holding back X # of vehicles from going faster.  On scenic highways like 101 many RV drivers will pull over to the shoulder of the road to let MCs behind them get by.  We're talking common courtesies here. In Ca. you cannot ride down the shoulder of a road like in some other states when traffic is stopped.   Ca. has more MCs than any other state.

If I'm in another state and multi  lane traffic is stopped for miles or moving really slow, sorry, I'm not going to burn up my air cooled MC motor sitting there.  If possibe I'm going to split lanes.   Even some w/c MCs can't sit idly by for very long like a car can w/o overheating it's motor.  If a cop wants to give me a ticket he's going to have to catch me.   

[Shorty]

I've had an Okie cop blow his stack, very angry red faced when I  rolled slowly past a couple-mile-long stack of traffic-stalled cars on my BMW. I told him I was late for work. He told me if I didn't stop I would not be late for jail.

[LowRyter]

WOW AZ Rep.  What a scary story.  I am speechless. 

[canuguzzi]

When cars drive on the right side even though the lanes are merging ahead, it seems perfectly acceptable to cause congestion while doing do. Let a motorcycle filter and suddenly it is rude, shouldn't be allowed or something like that. Rubbish.

If you filter at stop signs and sit there exercising your right wrist, sure, that is obnoxious so the loud pipes equals safety is nothing less than an irritant.

You're on a motorcycle and even the smallest cars can push you over or funnel you into a collision or crash, why risk it? Turn away, get out of the way or head in another direction. Dead is dead and being right and dead is still dead.

[LowRyter]

I've had an Okie cop blow his stack, very angry red faced when I  rolled slowly past a couple-mile-long stack of traffic-stalled cars on my BMW. I told him I was late for work. He told me if I didn't stop I would not be late for jail.

Happened to me but he was cool about it.  He said he had to pull me over since everyone in line would've complained to his boss.  And then he told me he was in a hurry for another call and didn't have to time to yack with me.  He left before I could complete my BS excuse.

[twowings]

Traffic backups are an excellent reason to utilize Siri's "Directions to the nearest bar?" function...

[LowRyter]

I am inclined to the think that the motorcyclist should've just pulled over and let the car go. On the other hand, everyone is packing heat now.  I can see trying to outrun the car when you think you might just get shot.  I mean the car driver was a coward and using his car as weapon, it stands to reason that he wouldn't pick a fight unless he had a gun in the car too.

But why in the hell didn't he just nail the gas and leave the Ford into the rearview mirror.  Perhaps too much traffic to really nail it?

just in case you didn't read the news today.........New Orleans Saints Football player shot dead in road rage incident. 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/will-smith-new-orleans-shot-dead_us_570a0f82e4b0142232493da7

[atavar]

That one will end up being self defense..

[rodekyll]

I'm once again registering my objection to moderators deleting posts simply because they don't like them. 

[LowRyter]

please let's chill. 

Dusty is doing his best.

[Stormtruck2]

please let's chill. 

Dusty is doing his best.

I think Dusty's doing a damn fine job. He is been fair and balanced as much as any man can be.  Yes, he has taken post of mine out behind the barn and shot them, but that is what the admins have asked him to do.  He hasn't let his personal or political views bias what he nukes.  It's LUAP's sandbox.  His rules.  It's not a democracy, its a dictatorship. Albeit a benevolent one.  It certainly hasn't been a heavy handed one. So if we get our hands slapped, take it in stride and ride on. Life's too short to get worked up over someone being wrong on the interneck.   

So to move this along:
Syn VS Dino
Revolver VS Auto
Pro Abortion VS Pro Life
Pro 2nd VS Anti 2nd
Harley VS Everyone else
Trump VS Hillary
Trump VS Cruz
Uncle Bernie VS Reality
To grease VS Not to grease.

Discuss.








(Ducking and running for cover from the heavy incoming)  :devil:

[Arizona Wayne]

I'm once again registering my objection to moderators deleting posts simply because they don't like them.

What got deleted?  Did I have anything to do with it, opinionated as I am? 

[SED]

Biker is riding with traffic and even lets a car pass.  It's not until he's challenged by the cager that he gets agro.  Seems pretty minor at the start, but the biker hits 123 trying to get away and somehow the little Ford keeps up?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrMTYz2CgCQ&nohtml5=False

Both guys are dicks but the cager is a sociopath.

[DaSwami]

I've seen riders have doors swung open on them...........I've filtered/split lanes for decades and have never seen that.  I don't believe you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMl8Oh4HA_I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUM6n6KFcs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2SgwUt1cqQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_UCzCBtFiA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PRO7Yy_7GQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusMWVHbZVY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3irfqy7l-A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq1OolmO_5A

http://fox5sandiego.com/2015/05/29/driver-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murder-in-road-rage-crash/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hE7c3VnNnI

[Arizona Wayne]

I stand by what I said and have never seen anything like that happen on the West coast, even in L.A, Seattle, or San Fran., but you proved your point in other parts of the country.

Taxi cabs doing it..........is that in NYC?  If you do that on the West coast the car driver is automatically at fault and guilty.  Don't know what the laws are back east but I have never ridden there and after seeing this have no desire to.

I've been told if you split lanes in the South(ridden there) you might get shot in the back.  I believe it.   When riding in the South we had more close calls than anywhere else by far.  If I lived there I wouldn't ride.

It seems the drivers out West are more civilized.

[Triple Jim]

When riding in the South we had more close calls than anywhere else by far.  If I lived there I wouldn't ride.

The South is a pretty big area.  I live in the South and I find it to be a motorcyclist's paradise.

[oldbike54]

The South is a pretty big area.  I live in the South and I find it to be a motorcyclist's paradise.

 Yeah , I don't believe we are uncivilized here either . Actually most car drivers are fairly courteous 

 Dusty

[LowRyter]

Yeah , I don't believe we are uncivilized here either . Actually most car drivers are fairly courteous 

 Dusty

I don't know about riding in the South but I agree with Wayne if your talking about riding in Okla. 

Uncivilized.

  

[oldbike54]

I don't know about riding in the South but I agree with Wayne if your talking about riding in Okla. 

Uncivilized.

 

 Yeah well, in general OKC is a bit , er , different  Seriously , don't know of anyone who has been "shot" off their motorbike here in Okieland .

 Dusty

 Edit . In fact the one report of having a gun pointed at a rider was bu azguzzirep , and that happen
ed in Arizona .
 
 Dusty

[LowRyter]

Yeah well, in general OKC is a bit , er , different  Seriously , don't know of anyone who has been "shot" off their motorbike here in Okieland .

 Dusty

Geess weren't just about run over on the way back from the Okie campout this year?   And how about that time you and your buddy buddy were harassed to the point that your partner drew a gun?

I just don't think that is very civilized.