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Offline salsaman1964

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V11 Cafe Classic
« on: May 23, 2016, 07:32:41 AM »
I've just read an interesting thread about converting a Bellagio into a V7 Cafe Racer Style Bike.
This is a great guzzi site and has been a massive source of guzzi wisdom to me so i thought it was about time I made a contribution and wrote a thread.

Hands up all those who’ve  liked the style of the new V7’s from Guzzi but  wanted something with more stage presence and based around the large block 1100cc engine. Having been obsessively involved with Guzzis for the last 25 years I decided to build a bike that would fit the bill.
I started with a low mileage 2002 Moto Guzzi California Aluminium Sport bought from HBC Auctions. It was lightly damaged but came with Isle of Man number plates. I didn’t fancy the hassle of reregistering for the UK so I bought a Frame from Reboot Guzzi with a UK V5 for the exact same model and year and transferred the engine etc over.

Frame Modifications include;
Tank mounting points relocated to suit a V7 Café Classic tank
New side panels mounting points welded to the frame to locate the V7 side panels
Lower Frame rails modified for a custom one off side stand and location point for the rear master cylinder. The original mounts for the foot pegs and gear shift were ground off
New rear shock mounting points were machined and located further forward to facilitate a shorter swing arm.
Rear foot rest mounts were added
New mounting points for the rear V7 mudguard added
Mounting points for the seat have also been fabricated. It is removed by a spring loaded pull switch.

Suspension
Standard front forks rebuilt with new seals and fresh quality fork oil
Rear Shocks replaced with new TEC shocks. These are excellent quality alloy shock with, remote reservoirs,  multi  adjustable preload and 14 click variable damping.
A Standard sebac steering damper is fitted.

Performance
The engine was serviced and kept as standard.
The air box has been removed and replaced with K&N Filters
The exhaust silencers are Tergamonni Carbon fibre and feather light but sound fantastic with a wonderful burbling sound. I had some special adaptors made by pipewerks to give a more upswept look.
To compensate for the exhaust I’ve fitted a fuel compensator from Finebau Forge and the bike runs really well from tickover to the red line.
The external fuel pump has been replaced by a tank mounted one so meters of hose plumbing and filters have been removed and hidden as a compact unit inside the tank.

Controls
The handlebars are alloy from a GSXR600 SRAD and modified to suit the marzocchi 45mm forks.
The rearsets are also a TEC item and fit the Guzzi without any modification.

Electrics
The wiring loom has been kept as standard.
Upgrades include led rear light and indicators. The handlebar switches have been chrome powder coated. The brake light switches are the banjo bolt type.
A Finebau Forge fuel compensator has been plugged  into the injection circuit but is easily removed as a 5 minute job.
The battery is a high capacity Odyssey gel type.

Brakes
The brakes have been delinked.
The front 4 pot brembos are operated by a radial master cylinder with stainless braided hoses.
The rear is a 2 pot brembo with a special floating calliper bracket, as seen on many high end race replicas. All the discs are Brembo but the rear has been reduced to a 240mm item to look less bulky and save weight.

Swing Arm
The alloy swing arm is a custom made by Metmachex.. The drive arm was machined from solid billet with a cut out so a wider tyre could be fitted. It is based on the lemans 5 swing arm so reduces the wheel base of the original bike by 50mm. This makes the machine far more nimble than the cruiser. I specially commissioned 5 of these swingarms and they cost a small fortune to make but add to make this bike truly unique. There are loads of pictures of the swingarm being manufactured on their facebook page . The original UJ was in excellent condition and mated to a new drive shaft.
Bodywork
Tank, and side panels are from a Moto Guzzi V7 Café Special and came from a new bike which was being customised by Moto Strada. Ive made some minor tweaks to the side panels to make them fit the Tonti Frame.  The rear mudguard has been chopped down to make it look a bit more sporty and a led rear light and indicators added. The front mudguard is carbon fibre and painted gloss black to match the style of the bike.
Cosmetics
I spent a considerable sum getting all the steel work powder coated at LSN coatings at Castleford. This company is very professional and do a cracking job. The frame is done in a beautiful graphite metallic. The wheels and alloy parts were done in custom chrome powder coating. This includes Yolks, fork sliders, instrument lights, alternator cover, rocker covers, battery tray. This actually gives the look of polished alloy but without any maintenance. You’ll save a fortune on solvol .
To add a bit of contrast to the chrome and gloss the headlight bowl and the clocks have been coated is a textured satin black.
I also purchased some high temp satin black textured paint from Frost’s and refreshed the engine cases and rear drive box. I’ve also done a couple of other plastic parts in the same paint.
Overall the contrast between textures and colours has worked quite well and has given the bike a subtle factory finish look but more importantly a durable finish.
90% of the fasteners have been replaced with stainless.
I just hope the pictures upload properly


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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2016, 07:56:47 AM »
Interesting.

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2016, 09:02:56 AM »
Very nice, especially fabbing your own swing arm.. impressive.
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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2016, 03:38:18 PM »
A lot of subtle things and some not too subtle.. very nicely done. Attaboy! I'd give you a thumbs up, but it's not working right now.. <smile>
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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2016, 03:50:34 PM »
 As Chuckie said

                                   Attaboy  :thumb: :thumb: <added  :thumb: for Chuckie>

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2016, 04:44:12 PM »
I still can't believe Piaggio/Guzzi didn't think of this...   :undecided:

Nice job salsaman!  Kickass machine!   :thumb:
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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2016, 04:46:58 PM »
Mega impressive. You've built a really GREAT bike.
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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2016, 04:53:51 PM »
that is bloody brilliant....... if they made this I would sign up immediately.

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2016, 05:23:21 PM »
Very nicely done!

Welcome to the elite of really moded Guzzi!

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2016, 05:32:33 PM »
it's roadster we all would like.
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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2016, 05:41:51 PM »
Wow really nice. Looks like it has some balls!
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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2016, 08:04:49 PM »
Aesthetically speaking, I think you should try a pair of these Mistral reverse cone mufflers..



OOps, never-mind they fit the spine frame..
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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2016, 09:37:11 PM »
Beautiful!    Well done.    :thumb:
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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2016, 09:49:34 PM »
Pure gorgeousness!! :bow:

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2016, 03:31:57 AM »
Thank you for the generous comments and I do agree with Low Ryter about a guzzi roadster rather than a café. I did a 1000 mile round trip of Scotland and Ireland in early May and found the slightly lean forward position a bit uncomfortable after 100 miles in the saddle. The riding position isn’t that extreme and on par with my old lemans 3 but I did get neck ache. The rest of my body was fine. It must be my age! I’m thinking of ditching the clipons and having some more upright bars.
Despite appearances the café racer seat was reasonably comfortable on the long haul. It’s just a bit too narrow so I’m thinking of putting on a dual seat so I can take a passenger as well. There is plenty V7 seats on ebay going cheap which will fit straight on. I know a great upholsterer who does a gel seat conversion as well for sensible money.
I was interested about the comment concerning the mistral reverse cone silencers. I do have a set from a V7 in the garage but they looked too upswept when I put them on the bike and interfered with my panniers. I’m going to stick with the termignoni’s because they really do sound awesome.
I’m undecided about the Puig Fly screen. It does a good job but on reflection it just doesn’t look right. It’s a 2 minute job  to remove so I might keep it for long trips.  I’m also going to revisit the rear mudguard, number plate and indicators.  I was in a rush to get the bike finished for the road trip to Ireland and it looks a bit too clumsy. The number plate is hideous but street legal for the MOT. I think a slightly smaller one is on my shopping list.
Any other thoughts or pearls of wisdom will be welcomed. My guzzis have always been about continual improvement.
The challenge for next winter is to give a Centauro a makeover. Its a stunning bike to ride but I just cant live with the looks!

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2016, 06:56:45 AM »
I agree you've done a beautiful job on this.
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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2016, 07:57:29 AM »
Wonderfull build!

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2016, 08:22:23 AM »
Tony,

I found this thread after you posted a pic of your bike on Andy's build thread.  Beautiful job, and I really like some of the updates you've made since the original build (exhaust in particular).  Any chance you could add some details on the updates here?

Also, are any of those swingarms still available?

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2016, 08:55:46 AM »
very nice.

You might help some of us with Tonti bikes.  I looked at the Tec site and wonder what shocks you used.  They seem reasonably priced but none listed for Guzzis.

Your bike is striking.  I'll bet it performs as good as it looks. 
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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2016, 06:21:40 PM »

 Congratulations Salsaman! Your attention to detail puts this build in a category we would all like to be in. Funny about the seat, as it is one of the most striking parts on this bike. A cafe seat done right IMHO.  The Centauro will be interesting to see too. Kudos.   :popcorn:

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2016, 06:29:37 PM »
I must agree that the seat was what caught my eye first. It must be just so. Not always achievable if the tank shape is wrong. You have a gift.

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2016, 06:34:09 PM »
Superb!


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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2016, 06:36:40 PM »

I�m undecided about the Puig Fly screen. It does a good job but on reflection it just doesn�t look right. 
I agree on the screen, take it off..

how about Heli Bars they can be slid up and down and swiveled all over..

and lets see the Centauro..
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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2016, 06:46:49 PM »
That is really, really nice. How about a small Dart windshield?

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2016, 06:59:34 PM »
I  fricken Love IT................. ................

now if Guzzi would build something like it , and quit dicking around with the small blocks that would be something  eh ...
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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2016, 09:23:16 PM »
Very nice work. Tasteful and beautifully balanced lines. Interested to hear what old Jock reckons also.

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2016, 11:33:49 AM »
Very nice!

I would also like to know more about those shocks. I am looking to get some and that price is way cheap. Like eBay Chinese crappy shocks cheap.

BTW: any reason you are running them with the reservoir facing forwards? I have never seen them mounted that way before.
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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2016, 11:54:10 AM »
Just a quick update having read the original thread. There were a few useful suggestions made that i took on board.
I actually dumped the screen, installed a pair of minstrals, reversed the shocks and fitted a lucas style led tail light.
 I think it improved the looks.





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The bike has moved onto a new owner now who is currently repainting it and fitting some alloy side panels. He's promised to send some pictures when its done and post them on the site
The latest news is that one of the shocks collapsed when the new owner hit a pot hole. They're marketed by a company in the Uk www.tecbikeparts.co m/. I believe they replaced it under warranty but it has dented my confidence in recommending the durability. They certainly work well on the Guzzi but to be honest the YSS shocks are probably a better quality option.

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2016, 12:05:22 PM »
Agreed. the changes you have made took the bike from very good to even better.   :bow:

Now, about that Centauro...   :popcorn:

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Re: V11 Cafe Classic
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2016, 01:25:52 PM »
The front tyre gives the bike a chunky look, very appealing. Is the handling ok, what size is it ?

 

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