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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2016, 10:09:43 PM »
1950's suspension.......  :evil:

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2016, 10:16:35 PM »
"better value" is a moving target, and all depends on what one values.


Somewhere between total value relativism and total value objectivism lies the truth.  I was mainly trying to work with the premise of this discussion, which was heading towards saying the Street Twin would finish ahead in most objective metrics.  And it would. 

But we're only talking about a thousand bucks here or there, not a lot of money when you consider you want to own your bike for several years.  And most of these objective metrics make little difference to riders like myself, who are only using maybe 60-70% of torque and HP.  For me, "value" is measured as much in how a motorcycle makes you feel both on and off it.  Which definitely propels us towards almost total relativism.

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2016, 11:01:53 PM »
No dealers, no sales. The hot market buyers don't want to buy bikes from dealer 500 miles away, they want to go local and ride the thing away.

SF Bay Area is probably a good market for the V9s. Where can you go buy one? No where. Scramblers and other brands are selling. Can't sell what isn't available and riding season out here has been here for over 2 months. There are a cpuple of V7s that have been sitting but it's the Scramblers that get pushed outside to sell...and they do along with Triumphs.

Can't blame the dealers, they floor what sells best.

If you have a V7 and want to trade up so to speak what happens? There should be an upgrade path and start the buying and selling.

Got a Ducati, Triumph to trade? Sure. A Moto Guzzi? Ah, maybe you should sell it privately...

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2016, 11:05:28 PM »
Why could dealers on the west coast not get v9s?

They have them in Washington state, thats a costal state right?
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2016, 11:22:08 PM »
There's none in California yet.  I suspect, it's an emissions certification thing, since CA always plays by its own rules.  I've heard from two Bay Area dealers that they'll be here early to mid June.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2016, 06:50:54 AM »
Small market for a big cafe?


The Real Deal: Radical Guzzi�s 130 hp cafe racer

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130 HP? Please! How tiny are the horses? Or do these people have some sort of *Overide* button for the laws of physics? I hate this sort of BS yet morons lap it up....

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2016, 06:57:48 AM »
 


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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2016, 07:09:32 AM »
The bike has no front mudguard and the rider is wearing canvas shoes!

The defence rests y'reonnner!

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2016, 07:41:58 AM »
That's a GREAT wheelie photo!   :cool:

My quick read is that new V9 Roamer / Bobber will sell well, overall, especially in Europe.
I also like the new Stornello and the behemoth "Flying Fortress."

For a company that has been "going out of business" since 1921" - - you have to give them credit for continuing to launch new models and move forward!! :thumb: :cool:









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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2016, 06:56:47 AM »
They are 'Moving forward' in the same way that I would be if I chose to go and live in a cave on the edge of the Great Rift Valley and get my food by bashing things over the head with an antelope's thigh bone.

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2016, 07:30:50 AM »
And where are all the 2V hemi 750's from the 80's ? Blow'd up.  I'm thinking it's all going around again. Some crap never changes, like the rear main crank wear pads that are going bad, just like the 80's. Same crap gets the same results.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2016, 07:35:14 AM »
They are 'Moving forward' in the same way that I would be if I chose to go and live in a cave on the edge of the Great Rift Valley and get my food by bashing things over the head with an antelope's thigh bone.

Too funny!! :grin: :cool: :thumb:  I always knew you had a little Neanderthal in you!! (LOL) :boozing:

Just trying to be a little positive here!! (LOL)
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2016, 07:40:16 AM »
And where are all the 2V hemi 750's from the 80's ? Blow'd up.  I'm thinking it's all going around again. Some crap never changes, like the rear main crank wear pads that are going bad, just like the 80's. Same crap gets the same results.

Unfortunately, with Moto Guzzi, "Pray through Carlo...and your bike shall be healed" does'nt really work! (LOL) :laugh: :grin: 

Things could be much worse...like, my timing gears / oil pump could FAIL on my poor Centauro...and then I would have a 550 pound paperweight!!!  (Yes, I have ALL the upgrade parts..and now just to install them!)



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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2016, 09:32:11 AM »

Things could be much worse...like, my timing gears / oil pump could FAIL on my poor Centauro...and then I would have a 550 pound paperweight!!!  (Yes, I have ALL the upgrade parts..and now just to install them!)



John, which part route did you take and are you going to install them?
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2016, 09:52:33 AM »
The V7 has proven reliable.  Is there any reason to think the V9 will be less so?
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2016, 02:42:54 PM »
As a dealer tech wrench I see the bad, some real bad V7's. At least they beefed up the drive train which has been long overdo. Got to have faith, they are simulated good on some computer program somewhere, maybe in the bowels of the old building deemed 'Holy' .
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2016, 04:21:24 PM »
They are 'Moving forward' in the same way that I would be if I chose to go and live in a cave on the edge of the Great Rift Valley and get my food by bashing things over the head with an antelope's thigh bone.

I thought you did that anyway Pete. :huh:
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2016, 05:25:30 PM »
I thought you did that anyway Pete. :huh:

My sister has been an anthropologist/primatologist in the Rift Valley for the past 35 years.  I'll ask her if she's run across Pete.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2016, 08:32:41 AM »
John, which part route did you take and are you going to install them?

@ blackcat - Custom made steel timing gear, new oil pump, brass bushing, new head gaskets, all new timing belts, Will Creedon chip - - and I will have a local, AZ Guzzi engine tech / mechanic, (Tom Hull in Mesa), who has years of experience rebuilding Daytona race motors install everything!! :thumb: :cool:
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2016, 08:43:02 AM »
That "unique tank" is the reason the V9 isn't on my radar. It's too damn small.


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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #50 on: May 30, 2016, 08:45:23 AM »
@ blackcat - Custom made steel timing gear, new oil pump, brass bushing, new head gaskets, all new timing belts, Will Creedon chip - - and I will have a local, AZ Guzzi engine tech / mechanic, (Tom Hull in Mesa), who has years of experience rebuilding Daytona race motors install everything!! :thumb: :cool:

John, Thanks. A bit of a ride for me to take the Daytona to AZ. Fortunately, my bike has low miles so I will figure this out in the near future. Chuck says, to just follow the directions in the book, but it looks a bit more difficult for my level of incompetence.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2016, 08:52:32 AM »
continuing to launch new models and move forward!! :thumb: :cool:


Launch new models yes they are doing that, moving forward, not so much.

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2016, 10:07:15 AM »
Chad - Where did you test ride the Roamer?   The specs on it seem to check all the boxes for me.  I would love to try one out on the road. 

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #53 on: May 30, 2016, 10:12:26 AM »
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2016, 11:17:02 AM »
Progress is in the eye of the beholder. Piaggio saw good sales with the V7 and the California, with the CARC models, not so much. That tells them to upgrade the V7 like and refresh it to keep sales growing there; same with the California platform.

Kinda like the movie industry, keep rehashing the formula that works as it pays the bills.

For those that were hoping for a different path can only hope that with increases sales in the V9 and California lines will give Moto Guzzi some money to risk it on models that are more focused to spirited riding. Sounds like Piaggio wants to make some money first. Can't really fault them for that.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2016, 09:31:51 PM »
Thanks, Chad!

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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2016, 10:22:35 PM »
The styling reminds me of the 850-T.
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Re: New V 9 Guzzis
« Reply #57 on: May 31, 2016, 10:38:51 PM »
The styling reminds me of the 850-T.

Yes, the frame is sort of similar to that of the 850-T, T3, etc., especially since its top tubes now go straight all the way back instead of flipping up for the passenger seat. (It is of course an iteration of the old small block frame.)

The two horizontal rails under the gas tank are also similar. I wonder if it would be hard to mount a T gas tank on one for some serious range. (24 liters = 6.34 U.S. gallons)

Then it would REALLY look like a T.

EDIT: Wait. Didn't the old V50 have a tank very similar to the T's? Was it the same? If so, the V9 can probably take one with ease.

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