Help needed in Thunder Bay Canada URGENT

[giusto]

 Urgent
Help needed I am between Thunderbay and pigeon River Ontario Canada and have started to interrupt this problem
 Pulled over on side of road trying to find someplace to bring my 2001 jackal
 And a way to get there… Anyone know someone in Thunderbay? Please reply
Thanks so much

[oldbike54]

 What is happening Bud , maybe we can remedy the problem on the roadside .

 Dusty

[ITSec]

I have some non-Guzzi motorcycling assistance contacts in Duluth and in Owen Sound, ON, but nobody closer. Like Dusty said, info on the nature of the problem and more details on your needs would help us help you.

[giusto]

 Hi Dusty,

Startud interuptis

 I was hoping for a local guy with a pick up truck and or someplace to bring it� Someone knowledgeable

 For some reason this bike never liked being shut off while in gear� Stop along side of road with riding buddy and shut it off in gear� Now no fuel pump activity
 I checked all the fuses I knocked on all the relays� We pulled out the ignition switch and all connections are solid.  Battery good
 Turn the key and nothing happens no dash lights headlights blinkers and taillights work

[oldbike54]

 Hi Dusty,

Startud interuptis

 I was hoping for a local guy with a pick up truck and or someplace to bring it� Someone knowledgeable

 For some reason this bike never liked being shut off while in gear� Stop along side of road with riding buddy and shut it off in gear� Now no fuel pump activity
 I checked all the fuses I knocked on all the relays� We pulled out the ignition switch and all connections are solid.  Battery good
 Turn the key and nothing happens no dash lights headlights blinkers and taillights work

 OK , is the electric petcock going clunk when the key is turned on ?

 Dusty

[giusto]

 

 I pulled the ignition plug off again put it back on and now it is up and running  third time's a charm… 2 1/2 hours but working

[oldbike54]

 I pulled the ignition plug off again put it back on and now it is up and running  third time's a charm� 2 1/2 hours but working

 Great , although I might stop in civilization and check things out .

 Dusty

[Kev m]

 Hi Dusty,

Startud interuptis

  Turn the key and nothing happens no dash lights headlights blinkers and taillights work

Giusto!

FYI - THIS MIGHT HAPPEN AGAIN.

It sounds to me like don't have Startus Interruptus (which only effects the STARTER CIRICUIT), but you've got a problem with either:

1. Your ignition switch
2. Your main battery connections.

Just so you know my 2000 Jackal suffered an intermittent ignition switch failure by about the summer of 2006.

It was intermittent bad contacts in the switch itself.

It occurred to me hundreds of miles and a few states from home on the Blue Ridge Parkway.

I temporarily fixed it while I was on the road by cutting all the wires going into the switch and rewiring them with some toggle switches I got in a local hardware store. One switch powered the ignition, the other switch powered the light circuit.

Anyway, as soon as I got home I ordered and installed a new ignition switch and it never happened again.

So when/if it happens again, if the battery connections are all good, then check the ignition switch itself. You MIGHT have luck playing with the switch ON/OFF-ON/OFF etc. (as it self cleans) or you might just turn it really slowly hoping it will catch. In my case, once it started worked again I quickly confirmed it was the switch by tapping on it lightly with a screwdriver with the motor running. Tapping on it caused the ignition to miss, proving it was the switch.

RIDE SAFE!

[ITSec]

Startud interuptis

 I was hoping for a local guy with a pick up truck and or someplace to bring it� Someone knowledgeable

 Now no fuel pump activity
 I checked all the fuses I knocked on all the relays� We pulled out the ignition switch and all connections are solid.  Battery good
 Turn the key and nothing happens no dash lights headlights blinkers and taillights work

This is not the classic startus interruptus - if it were, the fuel pump and dash lights would work but the starter (and only the starter) would not. Kev's suggestion is well worth checking on a bike of that age, especially since there seem to be circuits completed to some things and not to others.

[fubar guzzi]

Glad I was here to help,perhaps the ol convert would have been better for a long trip(im kiddin of course)

[Kiwi_Roy]

It could be your stand relay, 3rd from rear, swap it with relay 1 if it's a 5 pin otherwise pull relay 3 and poke a wire from 30 to 87A. (87A is the middle one of the 3 small pins, 30 is furtherest away. Even if you have the stand switch disconnected the 87A relay contacts can play up.
If you have the switch disconnected the relay is doing nothing anyway, you might as well jumper it out.
 
 ---- 30
 ---- 87
|  |  | 87A is the middle one at the bottom, jumper 30 to 87A

Hold up, you said no dash lights, that has to be the ignition switch I think, if it's just one of the contacts causing a problem you could jamb a wire in fuse 2 and jamb the other end in the common of fuse 3 & 4, this would effectively put both switch contacts in parallel.

This sketch might help



A couple of possible fixes

Good Luck

[LowRyter]

If it's cranking over, check that the fuel pump relay or fuse isn't the problem.  Could even be fuse contact (a problem I've had twice)

[nick949]

Great , although I might stop in civilization and check things out .

 Dusty

Where are you going to find that Dusty? It might be a really long ride.

Nick

[oldbike54]

Where are you going to find that Dusty? It might be a really long ride.

Nick

 Surely there is a semblance of civilization in Thunder Bay ... I have a memory of running water and 'lectricty there 

 Dusty

 PS And lots of pretty Canadian lasses 

[nick949]

Surely there is a semblance of civilization in Thunder Bay ... I have a memory of running water and 'lectricty there 

 Dusty

 PS And lots of pretty Canadian lasses 

I was thinking more continentally...... ......

[giusto]

Surely there is a semblance of civilization in Thunder Bay ... I have a memory of running water and 'lectricty there 

 Dusty

 PS And lots of pretty Canadian lasses 

Thanks again for all the help.
Making the turn in Duluth :)

[oldbike54]

Thanks again for all the help.
Making the turn in Duluth :)

 Well thanks , but not sure we helped  Glad you got things sorted out 

 Dusty

[fotoguzzi]

I'm at the cabin 60 miles south of Superior Wi , need any help? 6123668fourthree4

[ITSec]

Surely there is a semblance of civilization in Thunder Bay ... I have a memory of running water and 'lectricty there 

 Dusty

 PS And lots of pretty Canadian lasses 

A guy gets a little attention from a gal, and all of a sudden he can't think of anything else!

[sturgeon]

I just spent a few days in Thunder Bay (with family), back home now, which is why I missed this thread until now. For future reference, for anyone in similar circumstances in Northern Ontario, try the Northern Riders thread in the Canada section on the advrider forum. There's lots of local riders that post there and can be a valuable source of info (for all marques).

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/northern-riders-sign-in.183099/

[Vagrant]

Urgent
Help needed I am between Thunderbay and pigeon River Ontario Canada and have started to interrupt this problem
 Pulled over on side of road trying to find someplace to bring my 2001 jackal
 And a way to get there� Anyone know someone in Thunderbay? Please reply
Thanks so much

cover the front fender with a rag and drowned the ignition switch with electrical contact cleaner work the key and do it again. also there is a quick disconnect under the right side chrome steering head cover that might be corroded or burnt through. 10 years or 60000 miles plus and it seems the EV's have this happen.
if this doesn't do it try to disconnect or adjust the side stand switch as mentioned above.

[Cool Runnings]

Surely there is a semblance of civilization in Thunder Bay ... I have a memory of running water and 'lectricty there 

 Dusty

 PS And lots of pretty Canadian lasses 

Is that finish restaurant still there, EH? 

[Tom]

KevM has a handle on it.  Had the ignition switch die on the Strada.  I had to bypass the entire switch to get the bike going.  All tested with a multi-meter and checking the wiring.  Some of the power connections to the main part of the loom were corroded and look like they were connected and working.  Took some time playing around with it.  I still need to work on the turn signals.

[nick949]

Is that finish restaurant still there, EH? 

Finnish or finish?  If the former - yes: if the latter, not sure

Nick

[sturgeon]

The Hoito is still there, although last year it was reportedly suffering from huge debt.

Cross-corner from there is the Madhouse Tavern, a bar/eatery owned by a local bike guy. Lots of the local adventure rider types have been known to collect there.

[oldbike54]

Finnish or finish?  If the former - yes: if the latter, not sure

Nick

 Kalakeitto followed by Mustikkapiirakka  OH BOY !

 Dusty

[Cool Runnings]

Finnish or finish?  If the former - yes: if the latter, not sure

Nick

Finished. 

[Cool Runnings]

The Hoito is still there, although last year it was reportedly suffering from huge debt.

Cross-corner from there is the Madhouse Tavern, a bar/eatery owned by a local bike guy. Lots of the local adventure rider types have been known to collect there.

Yeah, the Hoito.

[sturgeon]

Kalakeitto followed by Mustikkapiirakka  OH BOY !

 Dusty

Kalakukko.
Kuore ja kermaviili. 
 

[oldbike54]

Kalakukko.
Kuore ja kermaviili. 
 

 OK , I see a road trip developing . Rise to eat , eat to ride 

  Dusty