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[Cool Runnings]

A team of Australian high school students recreated the drug Daraprim for just $2 a pill in order to prove how cheap it is to make.

 Last fall, U.S. biotech executive Martin Shkreli sparked outrage when he boosted the price of the drug by more than 4,000 percent, to $750 a pill. The drug is used to treat toxoplasmosis, which can be a life-threatening for pregnant women and people with weakened immune systems, such as those with HIV or AIDS, the Washington Post reported.

 In Australia, 50 tablets of the drug can be bought for $13.

 The 11th grade students spent about $15 on the ingredients required to produce 3.7 grams of Daraprim, about $100,000 worth of the drug in the U.S. market, according to Alice Williamson, a postdoctoral teaching fellow at the University of Sydney. She teamed up with the high school students and their science teachers.

 There are no plans to sell the drug. Williams said the objective of the project was to send a message to drug companies -- particularly those in the U.S. -- that high drug prices are not always justified, the Post reported.

http://www.newsmax.com/Health/Health-New.../id/761791

[Triple Jim]

We tried that when looking for our last dog.
But the rules were so restrictive that we couldn't commit to them, or to the regular monitoring that we would receive.

I just took a glance at some of the rules and found it interesting that they will reject you if you like to crop ears or dock tails, but they require that you get surgery performed to sterilize the animal.

We got one dog at the local pound without any difficulty, intrusive inspections, etc..  We got another one when it was abandoned at a campground, and it swam across the lake to us when it saw us at the shore.  We did the spay/neuter thing for both, by the way, because we're not into breeding dogs.

[Caffeineo]

A team of Australian high school students recreated the drug Daraprim for just $2 a pill in order to prove how cheap it is to make.

 Last fall, U.S. biotech executive Martin Shkreli sparked outrage when he boosted the price of the drug by more than 4,000 percent, to $750 a pill. The drug is used to treat toxoplasmosis, which can be a life-threatening for pregnant women and people with weakened immune systems, such as those with HIV or AIDS, the Washington Post reported.

 In Australia, 50 tablets of the drug can be bought for $13.

 The 11th grade students spent about $15 on the ingredients required to produce 3.7 grams of Daraprim, about $100,000 worth of the drug in the U.S. market, according to Alice Williamson, a postdoctoral teaching fellow at the University of Sydney. She teamed up with the high school students and their science teachers.

 There are no plans to sell the drug. Williams said the objective of the project was to send a message to drug companies -- particularly those in the U.S. -- that high drug prices are not always justified, the Post reported.

http://www.newsmax.com/Health/Health-New.../id/761791

Let them develop a pill that will treat some disease for 2-15 dollars. It will be well over the cost of ingredients. Clinical trials, FDA approval cost a lot of $$$$$$$$. Not saying they should have a 100000% mark up but if they are not allowed to recover their discovery cost why would any company spend time and money developing new drugs?

[Cool Runnings]

Let them develop a pill that will treat some disease for 2-15 dollars. It will be well over the cost of ingredients. Clinical trials, FDA approval cost a lot of $$$$$$$$. Not saying they should have a 100000% mark up but if they are not allowed to recover their discovery cost why would any company spend time and money developing new drugs?

bc that's what is prescribed by conventional medicine, drugs (actually chemicals).

[wrbix]

bc that's what is prescribed by conventional medicine, drugs (actually chemicals).

....and the efficacy of these "chemicals" have been rigorously tested for safety and efficacy - what we call good science, not the pseudoscience of many alternative therapies.
http://ibb.co/cH68Dv

[Cool Runnings]

....and the efficacy of these "chemicals" have been rigorously tested for safety and efficacy - what we call good science, not the pseudoscience of many alternative therapies.
http://ibb.co/cH68Dv

Rigorously tested for safety and efficacy.......... 

[wrbix]

Rigorously tested for safety and efficacy.......... 

Yes sir, that's what I said.
If/when you or a family member gets gravely ill, I hope you'll have enough sense to rely on "conventional medicine" rather than just taking a cold shower.

 

[Cool Runnings]

Yes sir, that's what I said.
If/when you or a family member gets gravely ill, I hope you'll have enough sense to rely on "conventional medicine" rather than just taking a cold shower.

 

How do you define gravely ill?

Instead of just a cold shower, try a ice bath instead!

[wrbix]

Something that requires treatment of the pathophysiology rather than the symptomatic relief afforded by placebo. (...and before you try to educate me on this, yes, I believe placebo effect is real)

[Lannis]

bc that's what is prescribed by conventional medicine, drugs (actually chemicals).

I love it when people recoil in horror when "Chemicals" are mentioned.

You and I and most of the environment we live in are made up of or infused with chemicals.

It's what we're made of.

Lannis

[Cool Runnings]

Something that requires treatment of the pathophysiology rather than the symptomatic relief afforded by placebo. (...and before you try to educate me on this, yes, I believe placebo effect is real)

ok.

[wrbix]

I love it when people recoil in horror when "Chemicals" are mentioned.

You and I and most of the environment we live in are made up of or infused with chemicals.

It's what we're made of.

Lannis

Indeed....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tJtKkBYlHFw&autoplay=1

[Cool Runnings]

I love it when people recoil in horror when "Chemicals" are mentioned.

You and I and most of the environment we live in are made up of or infused with chemicals.

It's what we're made of.

Lannis

Yet you are totally against the use of alcohol, which is a natural chemical within the human body called ethanol. "Every living human body continuously produces ethanol (beverage alcohol) 24/7. It's called endogenous ethanol production. Human life does not exist without the presence of alcohol".

[Cool Runnings]

Benefits of Cold Showers

1. Increases Alertness

2. Refines Hair and Skin

3. Improves Immunity and Circulation

4. Stimulates Weight Loss

5. Speeds Up Muscle Soreness and Recovery

6. Eases Stress

7.  Relieves Depression

http://www.medicaldaily.com/benefits-cold-showers-7-reasons-why-taking-cool-showers-good-your-health-289524

[oldbike54]

Yet you are totally against the use of alcohol, which is a natural chemical within the human body called ethanol. "Every living human body continuously produces ethanol (beverage alcohol) 24/7. It's called endogenous ethanol production. Human life does not exist without the presence of alcohol".

 True , microbes in the gut do produce ethanol , catch is , the quantities amount to about 1 ounce of beer . Let's please at least attempt to stick to facts here .

 As for prescription  drugs , some are very helpful , some are pretty damned destructive .

 Dusty

[Lannis]

Yet you are totally against the use of alcohol, which is a natural chemical within the human body called ethanol. "Every living human body continuously produces ethanol (beverage alcohol) 24/7. It's called endogenous ethanol production. Human life does not exist without the presence of alcohol".

Nay, lad, I am 100% in favor of endogenous ethanol production by my body, for use in the chemical processes that are part of me, and I recognize that human life wouldn't be possible without it.

Have I ever said anything different?    It would be kind of silly if I did.

Now what about you being against drugs that contain "Chemicals"?   

Lannis

[Cool Runnings]

True , microbes in the gut do produce ethanol , catch is , the quantities amount to about 1 ounce of beer . Let's please at least attempt to stick to facts here .

 As for prescription  drugs , some are very helpful , some are pretty damned destructive .

 Dusty

Myth: People who abstain from alcohol are "alcohol-free" and can’t be arrested for DUI.

Learn what they are and why they'Â’re very important.

Fact: The human body produces its own supply of alcohol naturally on a continuous basis, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. It’s called endogenous ethanol production. Therefore, we always have alcohol in our bodies and in some cases people produce enough to become legally intoxicated and arrested for DUI. 3


As for prescription  drugs , some are very helpful , some are pretty damned destructive . YUP.

[Cool Runnings]

Nay, lad, I am 100% in favor of endogenous ethanol production by my body, for use in the chemical processes that are part of me, and I recognize that human life wouldn't be possible without it.

Have I ever said anything different?    It would be kind of silly if I did.

Now what about you being against drugs that contain "Chemicals"?  

Lannis

"Some are pretty damned destructive" (Dusty).

[Lannis]

Fact: The human body produces its own supply of alcohol naturally on a continuous basis, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. It�s called endogenous ethanol production. Therefore, we always have alcohol in our bodies and in some cases people produce enough to become legally intoxicated and arrested for DUI. 3

We used to have an addicted supervisor in our business that was constantly trying to defend his workers who would "pop" on random drug and alcohol tests, using the "The Body Produces Enough Alcohol To Get You Drunk" ploy, along with the "If You Eat Enough Poppy Seed Bagels You Will Fail the Narcotics Test" wheeze.

It never worked because it was always bullshyte.   I think I smell some of it now ...

Lannis

[Cool Runnings]

Even in the rare cases of extreme endogenous ethanol production it is still barely measurable in blood tests , and not at all in breath testing . So once again , let's please stick to facts .

 Dusty

Dusty, you sound like an expert?

[oldbike54]

"Some are pretty damned destructive" (Dusty).

 Yes , some are , but you left out the first part of the quote , which means you are quoting me out of context .

 Dusty

[wrbix]

 

[Cool Runnings]

Yes , some are , but you left out the first part of the quote , which means you are quoting me out of context .

 Dusty

I'm beginning to understand where you're coming from. By chance, are you a cerebral narcissist? 

[oldbike54]

 I have a real problem with WG being used as a place to promulgate myths . This isn't FB , or some bloggers site .

 Dusty

[Lannis]

I have a real problem with WG being used as a place to promulgate myths . This isn't FB , or some bloggers site .

 Dusty

I don't know ... I've seen some stuff here about how good the modern rubber-mount Sportsters are that makes me wonder a bit if the myth-standards aren't slipping ...   

Lannis

[Cool Runnings]

I have a real problem with WG being used as a place to promulgate myths . This isn't FB , or some bloggers site .

 Dusty

Time for a "how good hot showers are for you" thread.

[lucian]

I still chuckle when I remember one of Willard Scott's , tv centennials reply when asked his secret to long health at 102. The gentleman's answer after some thought was " be polite" 

[oldbike54]

I still chuckle when I remember one of Willard Scott's , tv centennials reply when asked his secret to long health at 102. The gentleman's answer after some thought was " be polite" 

  We laugh at stuff like that , but there is a growing body of evidence that thin cheerful people live longer , being polite is probably a side effect of being happy 

 Dusty

[TodkaVonic]

We tried that when looking for our last dog.

But the rules were so restrictive that we couldn't commit to them, or to the regular monitoring that we would receive.

Lannis

That surprises me. The only thing required to take our 'lil rescue beagle home was about $140. No restrictions that I recall, I guess I filled out some paperwork, but certainly no monitoring since.

[fotoguzzi]

can I Just skip reading all this and go walk my dog? we did 6 miles yesterday less than 3 today..