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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #90 on: January 08, 2017, 10:31:30 PM »
Skill level? Laughable. I did own a string of British Sports cars and a model 88 IIa so I learned to be a parts changer as identified above.  There isn't a Guzzi Mechanic within a thousand miles of me so I am learning to read first, ask this forum second and then give myself permission to try whatever needs doing. But I'm still only at the parts swapping level.
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #91 on: January 08, 2017, 11:22:50 PM »
The "10,000 Hours to become an Expert" thing had a short vogue, and was an interesting concept to explore, especially the concept of "mastering" and the concept of "skill", but it's been shot through by so many holes and counterexamples that I don't think many people consider it valid any more ...

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #92 on: January 09, 2017, 12:54:13 AM »
I think "0" is most accurate!
No workshop
No tools
No  skills
No interest (or  time or patience)
Not a clue
Can't even take things apart. You wouldn't believe some of the screw-ups I've done when I've tried to fix something.......
But someone has to bring in work for dealers, workshops and mechanics!
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #93 on: January 09, 2017, 05:50:17 AM »
The "10,000 Hours to become an Expert" thing had a short vogue, and was an interesting concept to explore, especially the concept of "mastering" and the concept of "skill", but it's been shot through by so many holes and counterexamples that I don't think many people consider it valid any more ...

Lannis

 As a construction electrician every job had new situations, new problems, and different people. A power plant had different requirements than a hospital....But overall they required the same basic learned job skills...just used different....But the true measure of skill level was the ability to adapt to changing conditions. Or tolerate the tedium of wiring 100's of light fixtures.Or in dangerous situations..Some guys walked away because they hated working in the weather and doing their business in a plastic outhouse...
:grin:  I believe this is true for many occupations

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #94 on: January 09, 2017, 06:31:58 AM »
I'm a "1 or 2". Can do some basic maintenance and minor part exchange. Trying like hell to become at least a "3", and this forum has helped me a great deal in this effort. Now that my Norge has some years behind it and some miles on it, I'm becoming less reluctant to work on it myself.

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #95 on: January 09, 2017, 07:32:53 AM »
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #96 on: January 09, 2017, 07:45:35 AM »
As a construction electrician every job had new situations, new problems, and different people. A power plant had different requirements than a hospital....But overall they required the same basic learned job skills...just used different....But the true measure of skill level was the ability to adapt to changing conditions. Or tolerate the tedium of wiring 100's of light fixtures.Or in dangerous situations..Some guys walked away because they hated working in the weather and doing their business in a plastic outhouse...
:grin:  I believe this is true for many occupations

I've met people all my life who enjoyed the most disparate and different things from what I thought I could tolerate.

One of my sons does the same sort of work as I used to do ... manufacturing engineering, focusing on one product in one factory to start with, then branching out into other areas.   My other son can't stand to be cooped up inside ... he works outdoors in all weathers, doing work that is sometimes tedious and dangerous, but wouldn't have it any other way.

Some people would be overjoyed at the prospect of spending the next year wiring up identical light fixtures in a new high-rise building, because it's Steady Work! and that's not always available.    Some people might, on the other hand, prefer something new every day even if they don't know whether they'll have paying work next week or not.

I'm glad it takes all kinds ....

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #97 on: January 09, 2017, 08:17:25 AM »
I can change oil and maybe plugs if I don't have to remove much of anything. The way I look at it is someone has to support the economy of the motorcycle industry:(

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #98 on: January 09, 2017, 02:29:37 PM »
I was raised in the old school machine shop trade.  My recent trip for a MRI had me stumbling around in a hospital gown checking out the Machine.  I had done some research of the equipment before the visit and the staff thought I was an MRI machine expert.  B.S. can make you a pretty good mechanic I guess. 

An MRI machine is a hell of a machine.  I did make some parts for them that would wear out and need replacement.  Keeping one running and accurate would be interesting. 

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #99 on: January 09, 2017, 03:19:08 PM »
Moderate skill level, but if someone comes over with an 8mm projector that won't work, I'll have a look see. Pulled the tranny on an AMC Eagle and replaced it. No Internet, no manual. Also didn't succeed as it turns out there was a missing bearing that went in the flywheel end I was clueless about. But hey. Sold it it and made money! And I learned something.

Tore the 650L down to the base gasket to have the cylinder resleeved and installed a new piston. Work in progress as something electrical showed up on the test ride.

Tore apart a HP 4 laserjet printer that had survived a fire. No manual. There were a few shocked faces (including mine) when I put it back together and it worked.

I don't know much, but I learn from each project and I pick up a few skills along the way. The biggest skill is to be simply willing to dive in without fear. In many cases you can do no worst than the hack that you can afford to hire (and the really good guy is usually backed up so if you stuff it you'll end up waiting anyway - may as well give it a whirl :D ).

Electrical stuff (well, electronic stuff really) I should know better, at one time wanted to know better, but I really don't have a feel for it like mechanical bits. I suppose I'm better than the average Joe at it, but really I'm pretty useless with electronics.

Some day I'd like to learn how to weld and machine but I'm not sure there is enough time left to do that; other things seem to keep popping up. But if it involves using ones hands (other than musical instruments) I seem to have some skills or can pick them up along the way. Just having the interest seems to be 80% of it.
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #100 on: January 11, 2017, 05:06:20 AM »
More than some, a lot less than most, would probably sum it up nicely.  As far as a number, good solid 4.  My Dad dropped out of school at 14 but acquired quite an education in the school of hard knocks.  He did take the time to pass on the mechanical ability he used to support a family of five during the post WWII period.  Some of my earliest memories are of watching him wrenching on an Indian Chief in the tin sided shed that posed as garage behind the house. (It came with an attached chicken coop in the rear.)
I will truly admit to losing a step or two with things like fuel injection verses sizing jets to dial in carbs, or what really is inside an ECU to make it work.  (I still believe it could be just a giant set of points with a condenser.)   I do all of my own maintenance on my vehicles and bikes, but certainly realize that with the newer machines there things well above my antique skill level.  I will always enjoy bringing an old bike back to life now and then and as the Wife will certainly verify that small car and a half garage is certainly my sanctuary........

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #101 on: January 11, 2017, 07:09:08 AM »
When I was ten, Dad bought a series of fifty buck get it outta here wrecked trail bikes from his colleagues at work. We'd replace levers, drill thru shift splines to drop a bolt thru to unite shifter and shaft, park the family Rambler over the handlebar end & grunt until we had somewhat symmetry, loosen triple clamps & trap the front wheel in a door & throw our weight to wrench forks straight, clean points, replace plugs --- that sort of thing ... then kick and kick and kick and fiddle... until we finally had the thing where it would at least idle. At this point, Mom would come out of the kitchen, wiping her hands on a dish cloth, complaining "Pete, he's gonna wreck that thing!" Dad would reply: "I hope he does." I'd throw a leg over and head for the fields. Not one to disappoint Dad, I'd like as not have to push the basket case home with a wobbly rim.

What I'm saying is, to me, bikes and wrenching have always been two haves of the same fun.

This kind of garage time teaches a yoot to trust his hands. A whole lot of what's wrong with yoots is no Dad time.

Hand trust extends to the rest of life's probs. Twenty five years later, I had many a person ask me: "How'd you learn to build a sailboat?" I would extend my hand, point to my palm, and reply: "Right there." Today, if someone asks "How'd you learn to program?" I point to my palm: "Right there." It's in the doing and not the knowing that things get done.

Guess what I'm trying to say is, it's not all about skill. Skill level is handy but not essential. Confidence in your hands is. Not homo sapiens but homo habilis. That's the without-which-not that divides the metrosexual crowd who strictly rely on their credit card from the manly old school farts who put it up on the center stand, haul over an old milk crate to set on, pop a bottle cap, light a cigar, and get to work. Long's you got that, you can muddle through the skill part.

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #102 on: January 11, 2017, 07:10:45 AM »
When I was ten, Dad bought a series of fifty buck get it outta here wrecked trail bikes from his colleagues at work. We'd replace levers, drill thru shift splines to drop a bolt thru to unite shifter and shaft, park the family Rambler over the handlebar end & grunt until we had somewhat symmetry, loosen triple clamps & trap the front wheel in a door & throw our weight to wrench forks straight, clean points, replace plugs --- that sort of thing ... then kick and kick and kick and fiddle... until we finally had the thing where it would at least idle. At this point, Mom would come out of the kitchen, wiping her hands on a dish cloth, complaining "Pete, he's gonna wreck that thing!" Dad would reply: "I hope he does." I'd throw a leg over and head for the fields. Not one to disappoint Dad, I'd like as not have to push the basket case home with a wobbly rim.

What I'm saying is, to me, bikes and wrenching have always been the two halves of the same fun.

This kind of garage time teaches a yoot to trust his hands. A whole lot of what's wrong with yoots is no Dad time.

Hand trust extends to the rest of life's probs. Twenty five years later, I had many a person ask me: "How'd you learn to build a sailboat?" I would extend my hand, point to my palm, and reply: "Right there." Today, if someone asks "How'd you learn to program?" I point to my palm: "Right there." It's in the doing and not the knowing that things get done.

Guess what I'm trying to say is, it's not all about skill. Skill level is handy but not essential. Confidence in your hands is. Not homo sapiens but homo habilis. That's the without-which-not that divides the metrosexual crowd who strictly rely on their credit card from the manly old school farts who put it up on the center stand, haul over an old milk crate to set on, pop a bottle cap, light a cigar, and get to work. Long's you got that, you can muddle through the skill part.


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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #103 on: January 11, 2017, 07:46:20 AM »
I ain't scared to try anything...yet.

However, on occasion I screw things up worst than they were to begin with and it ends up costing twice as much to fix properly. I am the equivalent motorcycle customer to that computer customer which I complain about in my shop  :evil:

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #104 on: January 11, 2017, 08:41:17 AM »
I ain't scared to try anything...yet.

However, on occasion I screw things up worst than they were to begin with and it ends up costing twice as much to fix properly. I am the equivalent motorcycle customer to that computer customer which I complain about in my shop  :evil:

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.


The way I look at it is as a lesson. If I screw it up, what it costs to get it fixed correctly is the price of that lesson. I wonder if a medical doctor looks at it that way.......
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #105 on: January 11, 2017, 09:14:41 AM »
It's all relative isn't it....

After skiing for a week or two I thought I was the dux-nutz.  After a season or two,  I realised I was never going to be able to ski at a level that would please my new expectations of what 'good' was, even though my ability had certainly vastly grown.  I know I am competent, but certainly not good, but when I ski with newbies, their expectations are so much lower that they think I must be good, simply because I am better than them.  What is actually just 'competence' looks to them like 'mastery'.

So it is with my spannering.  I am competent.  There arn't many jobs on my T3 Cali that I wouldn't have a good go at, and recently added 'rebuilding a UJ' and servicing gearbox to the list.  But to be honest, I wouldn't of attempted it without the help and guidance here from the real experts.  Then again, there are jobs which just totally do my head in and I just can't seem to be able to master, like simply changing a tyre without pinching the tube.

But just in case I start to think I am moving in any way beyond 'competence' I can think of the skills required to build a new bike with two engines.....and then realise how little I know.

To be honest though....It is not my competence (or lack of it) that worries me most.  The need to improve my own spannering was largely driven by a few experiences in my younger years where it became apparent to me that the competence of the mechanics I was employing to service my motorcycles was sometimes actually less than my own and as I had to trust this work with my life, it made more sense (to me) to take this responsibility on myself, rather than trust others. 

If I had had access to mechanics with the level of expertise shown on this forum, I guess I might never have learned as much as I have.

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #106 on: January 11, 2017, 06:48:02 PM »
That thing needs a belly tanker body!

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #107 on: January 12, 2017, 08:45:22 AM »
Everything up to machining parts is fair game for me.

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #108 on: January 12, 2017, 05:01:13 PM »
I grew up broke ( elder bro with an expensive prob. ) and so
learned much more about keeping old stuff going than what
the latest and greatest was like, always maintained/rebuilt
my own stuff. I have good mechanical aptitude/empathy and
mechanical engineering was an early interest but Circs led me
down a different path.

So I know some things well through the
experience of doing them and "know about" a lot more
because I'm interested and curious about things
mechanical. So I suppose I'm a reasonable to good parts
changer and "what's wrong with this thing" figurer outerer
with a good dash of " Bushy" thrown in.

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #109 on: January 12, 2017, 05:52:08 PM »
That thing needs a belly tanker body!

  It's hanging on the wall in this earlier photo of the build...

   

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #110 on: January 12, 2017, 06:05:03 PM »
I've been a licensed auto tech for the last 25 years and bought my Stelvio for that reason,its easy to work on,no ones perfect so i'll give myself a 9.My son did the first valve adjustment with me talking him through it in 1 hr and 48 min and he's not very mechanically inclined but a wizard on a computer.Local dealer was 140 kms away but just gave up the dealership now closest one is 900 kms away,its not going in for service 
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #111 on: January 12, 2017, 06:48:26 PM »
Wholly cannoli, Rough Edge, what are you going to use for shocks?
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #112 on: January 12, 2017, 09:00:27 PM »
  I can wind up a clock by myself.  Oh, I forgot.  They don't make windup clocks any more.
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #113 on: January 13, 2017, 05:46:20 PM »
I have some small experience taking things apart and putting them back together. Lacking workspace and enthusiasm, I'm wise enough to know when to turn a wrench and when to call for professional help. My serious wrenching days are in the past ...
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #114 on: January 13, 2017, 05:58:04 PM »
I was raised in the old school machine shop trade.  My recent trip for a MRI had me stumbling around in a hospital gown checking out the Machine. I had done some research of the equipment before the visit and the staff thought I was an MRI machine expert.  B.S. can make you a pretty good mechanic I guess. 

An MRI machine is a hell of a machine.
I did make some parts for them that would wear out and need replacement.  Keeping one running and accurate would be interesting.

I had a similar experience this week.  I am almost blind in my left (good) eye.  Went to an eye surgeon and the folks taking a image of my retina couldn't get it right.  They called me back for another session and I saw the "x" prompt that I hadn't seen the first time.  Apparently, the tech wasn't trained and had it no where close to getting the picture.

Anyway, my retina looks like a photo of Jupiter.  Lots of (bloody) red splotches.  Looks like I am headed to an Retina Specialist and as well as a cardio ultrasound guy looking at my carotid arteries.  In the meantime my left eye is like looking through splotched and wrinkled cellophane. 
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #115 on: January 14, 2017, 12:31:33 AM »
I've taken care of my own stuff my whole life. My dad had the view that if a man made it a man could figure it out. I was always curious what was inside that made it work - so when something broke and should have been tossed, I figured out how to take it apart. When you don't know how something was supposed to look or work when it was working, it can be tricky figuring out what's broken or keeping it from working now. But I'd feel challenged to figure it out and then figure out a way to get it working again. Sometimes friends would poke fun of me for fixing something that could be replaced for five or ten bucks, but it was the challenge for me. And with each project, I'd learn a bit more and have better skills for the next job.

A family friend who owned and raced a quarter midget helped me rebuild my first Honda. With his direction I went on to work on the used vehicles that entered my life from then on. I'd work on whatever was needed - transmissions, rear ends, suspension, brakes, exhaust, even bodywork. I've got  tools for just about anything needed working on a vehicle. I've got a degree in electronics repair, but never really warmed up to it. But electrical doesn't scare me off - and I think that was one of the more difficult areas for me to get comfortable with.

I worked at INTEL for 8 years and a lot of that was rebuilding equipment used in the fab. A lot of it was tedious monotonous work, but I can zone out and do that too.

About ten years ago I started fixing BMW airhead gauges just to help out guys on Adventure Rider who were having difficulty with the regular shops. I've since retired and fixing these BMW gauges has turned into a full time job. I've had to figure out how these things worked and why they didn't, the working tolerances, how to make parts or have a machinist make what I couldn't, had to make tools to be able to assemble or disassemble some parts that could be damaged otherwise, and much more. I got a small lathe to aid in calibrating the gauges and then gradually learned how to use it to make parts - so that now, I haven't a clue how I survived most of my life without one. I got a precision grinder (an expensive piece of equipment!) so I could reproduce the needle shafts - they start out at 2mm (.080") diameter, and each end gets turned down - one side to .027" and the other to .040" with a taper on the end so the needle can wedge on.

I've been into the airhead BMWs for 25 years and have done all my own work there as well. I've rebuilt engines and transmissions, built wire wheels, straightened gas tanks, and of course fixed the gauges.

I didn't start out knowing all of this - it just take a bit of curiosity and building up a but at a time. But above all, there are some basic mechanical skills one needs for this sort of work. Being a mechanic is much more than unbolting stuff and bolting the good stuff in. It's knowing when to be careful, when to check things out, when not to force things, or when more force is needed. A good feeling for how much torque is necessary or what's too much. It's knowing tricks to save the day when a job goes wrong. It's knowing when to leave it for another day. I enjoy reading problem threads and seeing if I can come up with the solution. I'd much rather do that than watch a mystery show. Real life puzzles - that's much more fun. And getting a bike running on the side of the road with what you've got with you or what can be scrounged alongside the road can be a challenge. But challenges can be fun. What fun would life be without problems???

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #116 on: January 14, 2017, 05:53:54 AM »
Wholly cannoli, Rough Edge, what are you going to use for shocks?

  It's supposed to have period correct friction shocks... My race bike rider is doing the detail work....He hired a man to "detail" the aluminum  F-86 fighter jet wing tank  body.....
  He just sent me this crappy photo....The body looks a bit different than the aluminum cigar shown above...It's shoved , not finished, in the back of his shop with his eccentric collection of old Triumphs... He busy herding his five kids, ex wife, girl friend and running his business "empire" ................... ...........

     

   

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #117 on: January 14, 2017, 09:32:56 AM »
I've taken care of my own stuff my whole life. My dad had the view that if a man made it a man could figure it out. I was always curious what was inside that made it work - so when something broke and should have been tossed, I figured out how to take it apart. When you don't know how something was supposed to look or work when it was working, it can be tricky figuring out what's broken or keeping it from working now. But I'd feel challenged to figure it out and then figure out a way to get it working again. Sometimes friends would poke fun of me for fixing something that could be replaced for five or ten bucks, but it was the challenge for me. And with each project, I'd learn a bit more and have better skills for the next job.

A family friend who owned and raced a quarter midget helped me rebuild my first Honda. With his direction I went on to work on the used vehicles that entered my life from then on. I'd work on whatever was needed - transmissions, rear ends, suspension, brakes, exhaust, even bodywork. I've got  tools for just about anything needed working on a vehicle. I've got a degree in electronics repair, but never really warmed up to it. But electrical doesn't scare me off - and I think that was one of the more difficult areas for me to get comfortable with.

I worked at INTEL for 8 years and a lot of that was rebuilding equipment used in the fab. A lot of it was tedious monotonous work, but I can zone out and do that too.

About ten years ago I started fixing BMW airhead gauges just to help out guys on Adventure Rider who were having difficulty with the regular shops. I've since retired and fixing these BMW gauges has turned into a full time job. I've had to figure out how these things worked and why they didn't, the working tolerances, how to make parts or have a machinist make what I couldn't, had to make tools to be able to assemble or disassemble some parts that could be damaged otherwise, and much more. I got a small lathe to aid in calibrating the gauges and then gradually learned how to use it to make parts - so that now, I haven't a clue how I survived most of my life without one. I got a precision grinder (an expensive piece of equipment!) so I could reproduce the needle shafts - they start out at 2mm (.080") diameter, and each end gets turned down - one side to .027" and the other to .040" with a taper on the end so the needle can wedge on.

I've been into the airhead BMWs for 25 years and have done all my own work there as well. I've rebuilt engines and transmissions, built wire wheels, straightened gas tanks, and of course fixed the gauges.

I didn't start out knowing all of this - it just take a bit of curiosity and building up a but at a time. But above all, there are some basic mechanical skills one needs for this sort of work. Being a mechanic is much more than unbolting stuff and bolting the good stuff in. It's knowing when to be careful, when to check things out, when not to force things, or when more force is needed. A good feeling for how much torque is necessary or what's too much. It's knowing tricks to save the day when a job goes wrong. It's knowing when to leave it for another day. I enjoy reading problem threads and seeing if I can come up with the solution. I'd much rather do that than watch a mystery show. Real life puzzles - that's much more fun. And getting a bike running on the side of the road with what you've got with you or what can be scrounged alongside the road can be a challenge. But challenges can be fun. What fun would life be without problems???

You might consider branching out to Veglia gauges since there is such need for it here. 
John L 
When life gets you down remember it's one down and the rest are up.  (1-N-23456)

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #118 on: January 14, 2017, 03:33:31 PM »
More than some, a lot less than most, would probably sum it up nicely.  As far as a number, good solid 4.  My Dad dropped out of school at 14 but acquired quite an education in the school of hard knocks.  He did take the time to pass on the mechanical ability he used to support a family of five during the post WWII period.  Some of my earliest memories are of watching him wrenching on an Indian Chief in the tin sided shed that posed as garage behind the house. (It came with an attached chicken coop in the rear.)
I will truly admit to losing a step or two with things like fuel injection verses sizing jets to dial in carbs, or what really is inside an ECU to make it work.  (I still believe it could be just a giant set of points with a condenser.)   I do all of my own maintenance on my vehicles and bikes, but certainly realize that with the newer machines there things well above my antique skill level.  I will always enjoy bringing an old bike back to life now and then and as the Wife will certainly verify that small car and a half garage is certainly my sanctuary........
I might treat myself to an extra 2 points on the skill scale but I'm probably being self indulgent, other than that, EVERYTHING you wrote also describes me. (Except the Indian was a string of boiling cars) Thanks.... for the memories.

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #119 on: January 14, 2017, 10:24:40 PM »
You might consider branching out to Veglia gauges since there is such need for it here.

I have been working on some of the older ones and getting familiar with how Guzzi does things. I had wondered why BMW went the route of making each speedometer unique to the different final drive ratios. If the final drive is changed, a new speedometer is needed, or re-gear the speedo. I thought it would have been nice if they had made replacement drive gears at the transmission end. It's cool finding out that Guzzi did just that.  But then there are so many speedo variations, it hardly seems necessary.

I've heard the Veglias aren't very dependable, so perhaps there's something I can do to help. They're  pretty simple and rugged gauges and wouldn't expect many problems. Is it mostly the odometer and trip meter that fails? 


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