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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2017, 01:22:13 AM »
Too much logic!

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« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2017, 01:44:01 AM »
You're all heart! :grin:

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2017, 05:20:48 AM »
My dad was an apprentice trained motor engineer. When he went into the navy during the 39-45 he became a ship's engineer. He could mend or rebuild just about anything, and if a part wasn't available he could make it. He was also short of patience, and if things weren't done as he wanted, rather than teach, he'd shout.
I'm mix-handed, which I think is why I'm clumsy. By the time I was six I'd come to associate motor mechanics with being shouted at. As a result I avoided his workshop and never picked up any of his skills. But I benefitted from them. He'd buy write-offs and get them back on the road. We shared a Norton Dominator 88 that he got this way, and my little Yamaha AS1 was also one of his finds. Nothing he ever steered me and my sister toward let us down.
Actually that in itself was a problem. My Vespa had nude, bicycle type handlebars, very old-fashioned in 1963. He found me an Austin A30 when all my friends were driving Minis and Ford  Anglias. Eventually I  got a job that included a car as part of the package, and so broke free of his bargain vehicles. My poor sister and her husband have never managed to buy a car they actually wanted. He'd always find, and talk them into yet another really good buy. And it always was a good, reliable vehicle.
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2017, 05:31:43 AM »
I don't pretend to know any more than Joe average but out of interest, would re phasing the front engine so that front left fires 180 deg later than rear left therefore giving 180 deg intervals throughout  720 deg, result in a more measured torque load on the drive line so as to remove some of the shocks down the stream ? I remember Troy Bayliss' Ducati could be re fitted with a Big Bang configured engine essentially two v twins side by side. He said it was easier in the rain but lunched itself with monotonous regularity. Now if I'm not mistaken (probably am), but I think they went to a "long bang" some bloody how by getting one bank firing a bit further apart and got better longevity, but I might be talking rubbish there.

 The phasing is a requirement to keep primary drive chain harmonics manageable...180 phasing has been tried but the "push and pull" of the two engine trashed the chain quickly....This was figured by others 50 years ago...If I had more time, money and skill I would try out alternatives ....like a gear drive....
 Back on topic, I built the bike to suit my skill level .............

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2017, 06:00:08 AM »
I have been an auto mechanic for 40 years. Currently a flat-rate line technician at a Chevrolet dealership. I was never a "natural" mechanic, but with a well written shop manual, there's not much I wouldn't tackle. I'll disassemble things without a manual, sometimes I need one to put it back together.
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #65 on: January 08, 2017, 06:53:17 AM »
I'm guessing around an 8-9, still have tonnes to learn. But I always fix my own stuff, no fear of taking anything apart and I usually get it back together again, and often it runs better than before I took it apart.

Have almost a complete shop, Lathe, Tig welder, MIG welder, just bought a milling machine and have done some aluminium casting. So it is more a question of having enough time to build all the stuff I want. :)

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level
« Reply #66 on: January 08, 2017, 08:03:34 AM »
I've been a tinkerer all my life. Started with toy trains, then scale models, then 80cc Yamaha, 350 Yamaha, then my Norton. I learned I either had fix it myself or go broke paying someone to fix it.
I design and build instruments used in scientific research for a living so have a fair idea of materials and mechanical and electronic design. Also took a few machine shop courses and have a fairly complete set of machine tools. No claims of being a machinist but I can make things that work. Last time I took an out of warranty bike to a shop for repair was in the '60s.

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2017, 08:52:28 AM »
My dad was an apprentice trained motor engineer. When he went into the navy during the 39-45 he became a ship's engineer. He could mend or rebuild just about anything, and if a part wasn't available he could make it. He was also short of patience, and if things weren't done as he wanted, rather than teach, he'd shout.
I'm mix-handed, which I think is why I'm clumsy. By the time I was six I'd come to associate motor mechanics with being shouted at. As a result I avoided his workshop and never picked up any of his skills. But I benefitted from them. He'd buy write-offs and get them back on the road. We shared a Norton Dominator 88 that he got this way, and my little Yamaha AS1 was also one of his finds. Nothing he ever steered me and my sister toward let us down.
Actually that in itself was a problem. My Vespa had nude, bicycle type handlebars, very old-fashioned in 1963. He found me an Austin A30 when all my friends were driving Minis and Ford  Anglias. Eventually I  got a job that included a car as part of the package, and so broke free of his bargain vehicles. My poor sister and her husband have never managed to buy a car they actually wanted. He'd always find, and talk them into yet another really good buy. And it always was a good, reliable vehicle.
He died six weeks ago, aged 94. Maybe now they'll be able to choose their own car.

I think I'd have been on Dad's side in this "provide the kids a car" thing!   I was always so happy to have something to drive, I wouldn't have cared if I were driving a Ford Falcon six when the other kids had Chevelle SS-396s.

And "the car I want" has always been "a good reliable car", and I didn't always have good judgment when it came to that ... so if I'd had someone picking for me, that would have been a Plus for me, no matter what brand it was.

Sort of a moot point, since my Dad died back in 1967 and was not a mechanic at all.   I've had to learn what I know on my own.   Good on yer for having your Dad with you all these years!

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #68 on: January 08, 2017, 09:33:56 AM »
On a scale of 1-10 I am around a -1.
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2017, 09:53:29 AM »
I've thought about this from time to time but have not formulated a definitive answer, until now.

I believe I have a fairly high level of understanding things mechanical and a decent level of diagnosing problems with the exception of electrical issues ( I don't associate electrical skills with mechanical and see them as altogether different).

However, regardless of whether anyone believes it or not, I am extremely unlucky when it comes to fixing problems.  For example, I might figure out my fuel pump, water pump, radiator or fill in the blank is at fault, and I need to replace that part.  But inevitably I will break off a fastener, ruin something at either side of the bad part or create another problem, sometimes even more serious, when I try to fix the original.  This happens with almost every endeavor I try.

Therefore, if I can afford it, I try to let a shop or mechanic fix my problems even if I know what they are and have the right tools for the job.

Just to give one example of many, I almost always change my oil, filters, etc.  This is a simple job -right?   I once was changing oil on my 2001 F-350 diesel.  It had a huge oil filter, mounted straight down under the engine in an easy place to access.  I spent four hours trying to remove it and finally got the remaining base off by fabricating a special "tool" to fit in the holes of the metal base so it would turn and come off.  A one hour job turned into over a half day, and this is what happens nearly every time. :angry:

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #70 on: January 08, 2017, 09:59:11 AM »
The family relationships angle on this topic is fascinating. My dad wasn't handy at all, though he was fond of painting rooms and bookshelves. He was the oldest son and the one our immigrant family groomed for college, so he was set to studying rather than tinkering. But my mother had great hands -- she could paint and sculpt, do electrical repairs, worked as a chemist and darkroom technician.  All my uncles, on both sides of the family, were skilled union mechanics, carpenters, masons, plumbers, electricians etc -- during the war they were Seabees, B-29 crew chiefs, navy steamfitters etc. Because we only saw the rest of the family at Xmas and for a few days each summer, I didn't get to watch them at work, but I must have inherited the idea that anything mechanical or electrical could be fixed or even built, and was always happy to dive into a project and learn by screwing up. I built a lot of proper flying model planes, modified my bicycles etc before acquiring motor vehicles, and eventually renovated a couple of houses, as my own contractor, to profitable effect. I can often figure out a simple way to substitute for a specialized tool I don't have, or a more direct way to wire a circuit. Execution may not be pretty, but eventually it works.
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2017, 10:04:47 AM »
I'd rate my mechanical skills a 0.3 and my riding skills a solid 3.5 - 4.

Wait, is this a 100 pt scale?  If so, then I'll divide those numbers by the hypotenuse of the triangle.
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #72 on: January 08, 2017, 10:34:02 AM »

A solid 2.
Being a watchmaker, I am OK with mechanical aspects.
However I hate anything electric, as such the electrical rating would be around 2% of -1.
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2017, 11:13:41 AM »
I've thought about this from time to time but have not formulated a definitive answer, until now.

I believe I have a fairly high level of understanding things mechanical and a decent level of diagnosing problems with the exception of electrical issues ( I don't associate electrical skills with mechanical and see them as altogether different).

However, regardless of whether anyone believes it or not, I am extremely unlucky when it comes to fixing problems.  For example, I might figure out my fuel pump, water pump, radiator or fill in the blank is at fault, and I need to replace that part.  But inevitably I will break off a fastener, ruin something at either side of the bad part or create another problem, sometimes even more serious, when I try to fix the original.  This happens with almost every endeavor I try.

Therefore, if I can afford it, I try to let a shop or mechanic fix my problems even if I know what they are and have the right tools for the job.

Just to give one example of many, I almost always change my oil, filters, etc.  This is a simple job -right?   I once was changing oil on my 2001 F-350 diesel.  It had a huge oil filter, mounted straight down under the engine in an easy place to access.  I spent four hours trying to remove it and finally got the remaining base off by fabricating a special "tool" to fit in the holes of the metal base so it would turn and come off.  A one hour job turned into over a half day, and this is what happens nearly every time. :angry:

Look at my signature line.  A good day is when nothing breaks. :wink:



I've had an oil filter that is a bitch to get off too, caused by it being on so long on a PU truck I hardly drive and that's why it's oil/filter is changed rarely.   Otherwise the filter would not be so hard to get off.
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2017, 11:23:19 AM »
The family relationships angle on this topic is fascinating. My dad wasn't handy at all, though he was fond of painting rooms and bookshelves. He was the oldest son and the one our immigrant family groomed for college, so he was set to studying rather than tinkering. But my mother had great hands -- she could paint and sculpt, do electrical repairs, worked as a chemist and darkroom technician.  All my uncles, on both sides of the family, were skilled union mechanics, carpenters, masons, plumbers, electricians etc -- during the war they were Seabees, B-29 crew chiefs, navy steamfitters etc. Because we only saw the rest of the family at Xmas and for a few days each summer, I didn't get to watch them at work, but I must have inherited the idea that anything mechanical or electrical could be fixed or even built, and was always happy to dive into a project and learn by screwing up. I built a lot of proper flying model planes, modified my bicycles etc before acquiring motor vehicles, and eventually renovated a couple of houses, as my own contractor, to profitable effect. I can often figure out a simple way to substitute for a specialized tool I don't have, or a more direct way to wire a circuit. Execution may not be pretty, but eventually it works.



My father was like yours......little mechanical ability and was a bombardier/navigator in USAF for 20 years so didn't have to be to get good pay all his life.  But his father was a machinist and his brother was mechanical too.   I found I had some mechanical abilities after buying a MC at the age of 19.   From then on I learned working on small engines, basic electrics and became a heating/cooling tech later.  Went blue collar when 32 yo.

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2017, 11:24:16 AM »

However, regardless of whether anyone believes it or not, I am extremely unlucky when it comes to fixing problems.  For example, I might figure out my fuel pump, water pump, radiator or fill in the blank is at fault, and I need to replace that part.  But inevitably I will break off a fastener, ruin something at either side of the bad part or create another problem, sometimes even more serious, when I try to fix the original. 


This is way more common than you might think.   Now that you mention it, it's happened to me a TERRIBLE number of times.    Usually the failure involves a corroded fastener in an inaccessible spot breaking off or rounding off, and to get to it and fix it, a 30 minute job turns into an 8-hour job ...

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« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2017, 12:06:39 PM »
I am getting better at it, it all comes down to putting in the time to get decent at and then master a skill.

Malcolm Gladwell's book "Outliers the story of success" is a good read and details how it takes 10,000 hours to master any skill.

Yep 10,000 hours.

For a full time job, 7 1/2 hours per day that equates to about 1400 hours per year, 7 years +/- to master a skill, and that's just one skill!

I think I am at the decent stage of mechanics, but to be really good at it I will need at least 10 more years.

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #77 on: January 08, 2017, 12:22:41 PM »
The phasing is a requirement to keep primary drive chain harmonics manageable...180 phasing has been tried but the "push and pull" of the two engine trashed the chain quickly....This was figured by others 50 years ago...If I had more time, money and skill I would try out alternatives ....like a gear drive....
 Back on topic, I built the bike to suit my skill level .............
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« Reply #78 on: January 08, 2017, 12:43:30 PM »
Count me as one relieved  that "mechanical" skills are in question as
me and electrons don't  get along at all.
So call it a 7.
Otherwise an electrical 2.
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« Reply #79 on: January 08, 2017, 01:05:05 PM »
I am getting better at it, it all comes down to putting in the time to get decent at and then master a skill.

Malcolm Gladwell's book "Outliers the story of success" is a good read and details how it takes 10,000 hours to master any skill.

Yep 10,000 hours.

For a full time job, 7 1/2 hours per day that equates to about 1400 hours per year, 7 years +/- to master a skill, and that's just one skill!

I think I am at the decent stage of mechanics, but to be really good at it I will need at least 10 more years.
It probably takes less than 10,000 hours to learn how to make a good quiche, and more than 10,000 to master Beethovens 5th symphony, they're both skills, but I guess I get your point.

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #80 on: January 08, 2017, 01:13:19 PM »
It probably takes less than 10,000 hours to learn how to make a good quiche, and more than 10,000 to master Beethovens 5th symphony, they're both skills, but I guess I get your point.

Huzo, I'd think that mastering a good quiche would include being a good cook. That would qualify as a 10000 hour skill in my book. That is why I say I'm not a Guzzi mechanic. You would have to put in the hours like Pete, Charlie, or Steve (for instance) to say you're a Guzzi mechanic. The 10000 hours sounds reasonable to me. <shrug>
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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #81 on: January 08, 2017, 02:12:55 PM »
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For a full time job, 7 1/2 hours per day that equates to about 1400 hours per year, 7 years +/- to master a skill, and that's just one skill!

The traditional term of apprenticeship, dating from the Middle Ages, was seven years. A kid whose parents signed him on as apprentice to a master at age 12 became a journeyman at around 19-20.
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« Reply #82 on: January 08, 2017, 02:33:05 PM »
To me you are skilled if you can diagnose correctly and install the new part and it works properly afterward for a period of time.  Some mechanics are just part changers until they get it right.

My diagnosis used to be better than it is now since being retired for years.   If you don't use it, you lose it.  :huh:

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2017, 02:33:57 PM »
Jack of all trades Master of none. Takes me longer to fix the stuff I screw up while trying to fix it in the first place, but at least I try. 4 to 5 at best  :boozing:
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« Reply #84 on: January 08, 2017, 03:20:51 PM »
The traditional term of apprenticeship, dating from the Middle Ages, was seven years. A kid whose parents signed him on as apprentice to a master at age 12 became a journeyman at around 19-20.

I was in the building trades and it was a four year apprenticeship.... it  was extended to five years in the 80's for some trades.IBEW called us an " inside wireman" journeyman. But worker to worker we called each other "mechanics"....Then I got an electrical license and papers to be a Master Licensed Electrician that was based on taking a test and not job performance. I met a few workers along the way with all sorts of paper credentials that were incompetent tradesmen..
  Fully skilled at seven years sounds reasonable but  that depends on the workman...or doctor or pilot, or......

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« Reply #85 on: January 08, 2017, 03:37:01 PM »
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Fully skilled at seven years sounds reasonable but  that depends on the workman...or doctor or pilot, or......
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there are a few *really* skilled people, a lot of average.. and unfortunately quite a few of Pete's shaved apes.
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« Reply #86 on: January 08, 2017, 05:25:21 PM »
I can screw things without hurting myself... :grin:

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #87 on: January 08, 2017, 06:00:25 PM »
I am not a fast mechanic, nor am I a slow mechanic.  One might say I am a half-fast mechanic.
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« Reply #88 on: January 08, 2017, 07:00:36 PM »
So then... How long to become a " fully skilled" nuerosurgeon or a fully skilled scientist operating the Hadron collider or maybe a "fully skilled" toast maker. The point is, it's at best a BS argument to assign a number to how many hours it takes to Aquire a skill, it depends on the skill. Now as for Pete Roper's "shaved ape" example, no one could argue the validity of that statement when it applies to rooting up the tuning on a Norge, but who would starve first in the jungle with no prepared food, I'd take the skills of the Ape in that situation. It's a garbage premise.

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Re: What's Your Mechanical Skill Level?
« Reply #89 on: January 08, 2017, 09:18:19 PM »
So then... How long to become a " fully skilled" nuerosurgeon or a fully skilled scientist operating the Hadron collider or maybe a "fully skilled" toast maker. The point is, it's at best a BS argument to assign a number to how many hours it takes to Aquire a skill, it depends on the skill. Now as for Pete Roper's "shaved ape" example, no one could argue the validity of that statement when it applies to rooting up the tuning on a Norge, but who would starve first in the jungle with no prepared food, I'd take the skills of the Ape in that situation. It's a garbage premise.

The "10,000 Hours to become an Expert" thing had a short vogue, and was an interesting concept to explore, especially the concept of "mastering" and the concept of "skill", but it's been shot through by so many holes and counterexamples that I don't think many people consider it valid any more ...

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